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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Then I would still say, "China"? They're the world's manufacturer and I doubt they have any serious laws curtailing their carbon footprint...

no no, watch the video and then reread what we're talking about

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I mean do we really need reasons and excuses for the underlying principle that pollution is destroying our world?

No one can really argue that fact... and then there are unknowns. The increased rates of cancer, the higher depression rates, the fluctuations in pressure and temperature.

People have an interesting psychological virus sometimes to simply ignore what they know acts as a detriment, as long as it doesn't kill them quickly enough that can't semi-adapt to the new conditions, no matter how wretched they may be.

Why anyone would indirectly defend their need to pollute is beyond me.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I mean do we really need reasons and excuses for the underlying principle that pollution is destroying our world? No one can really argue that fact... and then there are unknowns. The increased rates of cancer, the higher depression rates, the fluctuations in pressure and temperature. People have an interesting psychological virus sometimes to simply ignore what they know acts as a detriment, as long as it doesn't kill them quickly enough that can't semi-adapt to the new conditions, no matter how wretched they may be. Why anyone would indirectly defend their need to pollute is beyond me.

Pollution isn't good I agree and we need to take steps to reduce it however CO2 isn't the ONLY pollution.

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Originally posted by everett Pollution isn't good I agree and we need to take steps to reduce it however CO2 isn't the ONLY pollution.

In 99% of all cases, measures to reduce CO2 emissions will reduce overall air pollution from other man made gasses by a similar amount simply because the activities that create the majority of CO2 also produce the largest quantities of those air pollutants.

Thus, reducing CO2 would invariably lead to an overall lower level of all air pollution.

If you are going to agree on air pollution being curbed then you cannot possibly disagree with the idea that reducing CO2 emissions is a good thing.


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Originally posted by MrSquirrel In 99% of all cases, measures to reduce CO2 emissions will reduce overall air pollution from other man made gasses by a similar amount simply because the activities that create the majority of CO2 also produce the largest quantities of those air pollutants. Thus, reducing CO2 would invariably lead to an overall lower level of all air pollution. If you are going to agree on air pollution being curbed then you cannot possibly disagree with the idea that reducing CO2 emissions is a good thing. MrS

Reducing CO2 isn't necessarily a bad thing, but to go to the extreme that we have today isn't necessarily good either. Not letting countries develop, having stupid programs like "carbon credits" is a load of horse shit.

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Originally posted by everett Reducing CO2 isn't necessarily a bad thing, but to go to the extreme that we have today isn't necessarily good either. Not letting countries develop, having stupid programs like "carbon credits" is a load of horse shit.

Nothing being done now anywhere in the world could be considered extreme. Extreme would be putting caps on all forms of emissions, mandating that no one can drive a car without a certain number of people in it, and then only certain cars. Extreme would be an outright ban on the use of coal. I can go on.

And contrary to the popular anti-environment lobby opinion, there are more ways to develop an economy and infrastructure without the wanton use of inefficient forms of fossil fuel burning that the U.S. and Europe used to become 'developed' half a century or more ago.

I am not a fan of carbon trading, as it really is just a scheme for large producers of CO2 to continue on without looking at ways to innovate and actually reduce the level of pollution they create. Some companies will use it to make their "carbon balance sheet" look better while they invest in innovation and efficiency, but many will use it just to look and feel good. Paying other people to 'not' pollute while you continue to just seems like a poor use of resources. But we live in a short term outlook culture these days, which is why people are saying that reducing CO2 emissions is not a big deal.

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I just got a brilliant idea!!!

Why the US doesn't invade the Iran to fight the Global Warming off?
I mean it's such a huge problemo I bet they need at least 200,000 troops, internet, satelite TV and a couple of McDonalds outlets to be able to hold the danger of Global Warming back!

Why G.Bush isn't so smart enough to do that? Doesn't eat enough bananas?

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Originally posted by star-traveller I just got a brilliant idea!!! Why the US doesn't invade the Iran to fight the Global Warming off? I mean it's such a huge problemo I bet they need at least 200,000 troops, internet, satelite TV and a couple of McDonalds outlets to be able to hold the danger of Global Warming back! Why G.Bush isn't so smart enough to do that? Doesn't eat enough bananas?

Bush looks like a monkey? Original pff

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Originally posted by everett Bush looks like a monkey? Original pff

pff, Are you from the past or something? Talk to Google, there have been a lot of things happening for the past 6 years or so

http://www.google.com/search? hl=en...G=Google+Search

It's even on mainstream news, pal!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4117059.stm

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whoever believes that global warming is not because of us, + is not a big problem atleast not for the next 100-200 years is a fucking ignorant brainwashed peace of cloth under my kitchen sink. In the last 10 years alone signs of intense global temperature increase has been obvious. The majority of the hottest years recorded have been sinse 1997, Natural disasters have been on the rise and not only that, the intensity of hurricanes and all this non-sense has progressively increased and its only going to get worse. Just think, in the last years how much has happened and things arent getting better, we are becoming more and more dependant on things that fuck up our planet, we are using more and more oil/gas products, driving bigger,faster cars, flying more,turning our ac's higher(as a result of this bloody planet heating up..quite a sense of irony). The sad thing is that there are so many people that are oblivious to these facts, and so many more that know it, but simply do not care because doing anything to help this planet means digging into our own pockets which most of this world will not do, this piece of shit sell-fish society we live in. quite pathetic, I dont even wanna have kids because I dont want to raise them in this shithole of a world..like fuck..my son probably wont even have a car to fuck his girlfriend in because oil will be a thing of the past?WTF man.

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Originally posted by shevchenko135 whoever believes that global warming is not because of us, + is not a big problem atleast not for the next 100-200 years is a fucking ignorant brainwashed peace of cloth under my kitchen sink. In the last 10 years alone signs of intense global temperature increase has been obvious. The majority of the hottest years recorded have been sinse 1997, Natural disasters have been on the rise and not only that, the intensity of hurricanes and all this non-sense has progressively increased and its only going to get worse. Just think, in the last years how much has happened and things arent getting better, we are becoming more and more dependant on things that fuck up our planet, we are using more and more oil/gas products, driving bigger,faster cars, flying more,turning our ac's higher(as a result of this bloody planet heating up..quite a sense of irony). The sad thing is that there are so many people that are oblivious to these facts, and so many more that know it, but simply do not care because doing anything to help this planet means digging into our own pockets which most of this world will not do, this piece of shit sell-fish society we live in. quite pathetic, I dont even wanna have kids because I dont want to raise them in this shithole of a world..like fuck..my son probably wont even have a car to fuck his girlfriend in because oil will be a thing of the past?WTF man.

Watch the video...

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