I resent being obligated to overpay for a service. A vending machine could do a more efficient job of giving me a bottle of beer. Tipping is one step removed from prostitution. Like the bigger tip I give you the more your supposed to pretend you like me. Gives me a strange fake feeling. like I'm bribing you to be my friend.

The ppl doing the tipping don't do it because of the great service, they just want to appear magnanimous or they're being shamed into it. In my eyes its a disingenuous ritual required by society.

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but it can't put a lime on top or wrap it in a napkin.

actually, there are bartending machines. press a button, it mixes your drink of choice.

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Originally posted by igottaknow i resent being obligated to overpay for a service. a vending machine could do a more efficient job of giving me a bottle of beer. tipping also seems to me like a step a way from prostitution. like the bigger tip i give you the more your supposed to act like you like me. gives me a strange fake feeling. like i'm bribing you to be my friend.

you go to weird prostitutes man.

I tip on what kind of service i get.


If you do shitty service, FUCK YOU, you're not getting shit.

If you do a very good service, you're gonna get a good tip.

Doesnt get easier than that

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Originally posted by SebG I tip on what kind of service i get. If you do shitty service, FUCK YOU, you're not getting shit. If you do a very good service, you're gonna get a good tip. Doesnt get easier than that

with bartending its not a cut and dry as that. Like if your at a pub on a Sat/Fri night. Its packed and the bartender is try to serving 20 ppl at once. I'm not blaming him for it I just don't think the service I'm receiving is worth the amount of tip. Is a pitchers or beer worth 3 times more of a tip than a glass?

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Originally posted by igottaknow with bartending its not a cut and dry as that. Like if your at a pub on a Sat/Fri night. Its packed and the bartender is try to serving 20 ppl at once. I'm not blaming him for it I just don't think the service I'm receiving is worth the tip. Is a pitchers or beer worth 3 times more of a tip than a glass?

This is different and you're right

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How bartenders (or waiters, or others jobs where tips occurs) are paid varies from state to state, county to county, city to city.

In some locations they do make the regular ole minimum wage and it doesn't matter on the tips.

In other places, employers are allowed to base their hourly wage to include tips. So w/o tips, they make below the regular minimum wage.

But again, it varies.

In some places all tips (legally) have to be put into a central stash and then it's supposed to be divied up from there. Places like this tend to have worse service because there's not really any big benefit for a bartender/waiter/whatever to work extra hard when the extra tips he or she is making from working super hard to get aren't just going to him or her.

In the end, the law in most places is that tips are considered a part of your wages and those people are actually taxed on it.

A read something once where it talked about tipping a bartender properly. Was saying something about $1 per every two mixes. So if you got a long island or something, you should tip $2. But if you get like a vodka-redbull, that's $1. I don't go by that though, hehe.

So yes, it's proper to tip (in the US). But them asking you for a tip is straight up rude. What I do sometimes is that I'll just tell the bartender I'll take care of him or her later and then after a few more drinks if I get good service, and good strong drinks I'll give them a very good tip. Gotta be sure to go back to the same bartender. The single big tip sometimes pays off better than a few small tips because it's $$$ to their eyes. It often leads to some free drinks! If I feel my service has been lackluster then I'll leave a lousy tip or if they really piss me off I'll just bail -- rarely happens though.

In a few countries it's considered rude to tip because in their customs if you tip they take is you paying them work harder next time because you were satisfied. Just like in some places when you leave a place with your beer glass empty, it's a bit rude because they take is as you left because they didn't serve you again fast enough. Not because you were done or just full.

One other thing that Dave reminded is that the whole tipping system is ludicrous. They should be paid a regular hourly rate. Because it implies that you need to tip a person for him to do his job properly. Do you tip your mail man? or how about the cashier in the checkout line? Maybe you need to start tipping the guy who works the fitting room at the gap? Where does it end? Would it be too much to ask for you to just do your job without us needing to reward you?

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Originally posted by Boomer187 i always tip, and tip almost everyone. However if its shitty service they get tiny tip and and a snarl. good service = good tip which = continued good service.

yeah, i feel the same way.

but wtf is up w/ starbucks having a tip jar at their drive-up booth? i mean come on!

i hate the idea of tipping, however, because it's your JOB to give me stuff. I guess i can understand waiters/waitresses, but people like barbers, starbucks employees, gas attendants, auto mechanics, etc... it's like, come on, that's rediculous.

I always tip barbers...but yeah, I never put anything in the tip jar at regular business places.

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Bartenders or waiting staff won't get paid on tips alone, that's not the system here and I doubt it's the system over there too. All the tips get rounded up in a jar and distributed along with the money earned at an hourly rate. I find myself tipping reasonably at restaurants I go to regularly but I don't often tip at all if I experience crappy service in a place i'm unlikely to return to.

Being shamed by a waitress in order to get more tips just doesn't happen over here or at least I've never experienced it. There also isn't as much as a "table service" culture in bars over here, there's only one place i know of in Glasgow where I could get table service and there the beer is ridiculously fucking overpriced anyhow so I find myself just waiting at the usually empty bar to get a drink. I've got my own two legs, fuck it.

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