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star-traveller
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Registered: Nov 2005
Location: Amsterdam, NL

quote:
Originally posted by Alex
You've missed my point 2 posts in a row now, also I never said the Soviet Union collapsed cause they built nukes. You're also looking at this argument in a very black and white manner;


What points?

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Originally posted by Alex
It takes more than one industry to stimulate an economy, especially one that deals in weapons. Crap on the USA all you want but they have HUGE corporations and above average performance in so many various markets and various sectors that their economy isn't in any way shape or form linear, and from what you're arguing it sounds like you think that Russians can just build nukes all day and eventually turn into a way richer nation than the US. (Based on other posts it's obvious what your views of Americans are).


Are you playing stupid? How many times should I repeat myself that there are load of industries that are related to the nuclear weapon construction.

Heavy industries (metals), hi-tech industries (computing) and many more get their share while a gov. company develops a new nuke. Not to say how many inovations are coming from the R&D work perfomed by nuclear weaponary companies.


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And we are talking here about Russia nuclear capability. I don't see any point why you are trying to change the subject on my views about the US. Of course it's very cool to blame other people who hates the current US regime. You can get some additional scores at this forum for doing that.

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Darkarbiter
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I fail to see how 20 very drunk (evidently) Indians constitutes the general populaces opinion of America or the Governments.


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XaNaX
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Re: Some Nuclear Heavy Lifting

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Moscow claims that the maneuverable warheads on the RS-24 will be capable of confounding the American missile defense system.


Are the Russians really this stupid or are they just looking for a reason to build some new nukes? The ABM system is designed to intercept a single missile with one warhead, and test results have not always been that great. It cannot, nor was it designed to, intercept even the existing Russian MIRVed ICBMs, much less any new ones.

Every time I look at the news there is some new comment by a Russian government official about the ABM system. The Russians have not acted this irrationally about the capabilities of a weapon system since Reagan first spoke the words "Star Wars". How exactly would a couple dozen ABM interceptors be a threat against a couple thousand Russian warheads?

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Originally posted by XaNaX
Are the Russians really this stupid or are they just looking for a reason to build some new nukes? The ABM system is designed to intercept a single missile with one warhead, and test results have not always been that great. It cannot, nor was it designed to, intercept even the existing Russian MIRVed ICBMs, much less any new ones.

Every time I look at the news there is some new comment by a Russian government official about the ABM system. The Russians have not acted this irrationally about the capabilities of a weapon system since Reagan first spoke the words "Star Wars". How exactly would a couple dozen ABM interceptors be a threat against a couple thousand Russian warheads?


Tell me why America was so scared when Russia wanted to placed missiles on Cuba?

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I fail to see how 20 very drunk (evidently) Indians constitutes the general populaces opinion of America or the Governments.



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Re: Re: Some Nuclear Heavy Lifting

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Originally posted by XaNaX
Are the Russians really this stupid or are they just looking for a reason to build some new nukes? The ABM system is designed to intercept a single missile with one warhead, and test results have not always been that great. It cannot, nor was it designed to, intercept even the existing Russian MIRVed ICBMs, much less any new ones.

Every time I look at the news there is some new comment by a Russian government official about the ABM system. The Russians have not acted this irrationally about the capabilities of a weapon system since Reagan first spoke the words "Star Wars". How exactly would a couple dozen ABM interceptors be a threat against a couple thousand Russian warheads?


Because once the Star Wars system becomes more successful or these interceptor missiles will really work (and US plans to place more of them all around Russia), then USA can take a first annihilating shot at Russia and the few dozens Russian strategic missiles that would survive the initial attack would then mostly be knocked out by these interceptor missile bases that look so innocent right now. Its that simple.


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holy crap. you seem to live in a world full of fantasies. Either that, or my sarcasm meter is not working.


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holy crap. you seem to live in a world full of fantasies. Either that, or my sarcasm meter is not working.


Well, Einstein, do some research as to what the interceptor missiles are for ... And then look at Iran and tell me how many missiles they have right now that can even reach that far into Europe. What makes more sense - a missile defense shield that is built to protect against an imaginary attack that can probably never materialize because it is absurd or is it more likely going to spy on the Russians in the meantime? Last time I checked, Russia is much closer to these bases-in-plan than Iran to them. Do the math.

If Iranians are going to attack US with missiles, they will do the smart thing - they will first attack and try to wipe out the US bases, forces, allies in the Middle East. By then, if they'll even succeed or if they'll even have any missiles left, they might try to do a suicidal and untested missile attack deep around the world. Ridiculous ... Iran would require a well-tested, sophisticated, long-range advanced and heavy payload missile to achieve that. And they will not gamble, because what if the missile runs out of fuel or changes trajectory somewhere in Europe ... think twice!


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