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Um...are you sure Russia isn't trying to destabilize the world? Last time I checked. The Russian mafia are all Russian spetsnaz Alfa or Vympel. They work for the government. Believe it or not that could be considered destabilizing governments. At least the local governments who have to put up with the "Russian mafia" who are corrupting judges and politicians. |
Ummm, mafia and criminals work for the highest bidder and can change sides quite easily. Last time I checked the same Alfa or Vympel have done jack shit to destabilize anything other their own families.
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Really???? According to putin, russia is one of the leading players in international energy market. (interestingly, Putin worded it as not "market" but "enerty politics".)  . Last year Russia was #1 in oil production, surpassing everyone. In gas production, Russia has been #1 for number of years. Russia's role in area of energy will continue to increase. Finally, Russia is one of the biggest nuclear nations. |
What does oil production and "player" in energy market have anything to do with how Russia is destabilizing the world? Russia is quite poor. In terms of oil supplies, Russia is not the biggest one. Are you suggesting Russia should jsut give away for free its resources? Will you be the idiot who will look at resources and do nothing? Its money and economics, man, and Russia is doing the right thing by enriching itself by selling the resources that it has every right to. And what it spends it for, well, its not for overthrowing other countries - thats more like US/UK/Israel's job because last time I checked its them who do most of the world's upheaval work and overthrowing governments, throwing money at revolutions, supporting dictators, etc. Russia has many internal problems to deal with, and with little cash to spare, I'll have to label you a conspiracy theorist on this so-called conspiracy that Russian money is used to overthrow the world for Russia's good (and thats why somehow many Soviet former republics are turning anti-Russian??? Get your head checked, quite opposite is happening!!!)
PUTIN IS NOT GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT.PUTIN IS NOT GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT.PUTIN IS NOT GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT.PUTIN IS NOT GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT.PUTIN IS NOT GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT.PUTIN IS NOT GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT.PUTIN IS NOT GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT. OK, have you heard enough?
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Need I point out a log in your eye? Excuse me? Have we forgotten Checnya? How about Georgia? How about attempting to de-stabilize situation in Ukraine, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, and other former soviet block states? Are you high?
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Chechnya - you should look and see how USA is doing in Iraq for that matter. Georgia is the one who violated a peace treaty with breakaway Abkhazia and placed its troops there in the uplands. Russia is the peacekeeper, and they managed to stop the bloodshed in the 1990s. They are not doing anything illegal with regards to Georgia, and quite frankly its Georgia who is blackmailing Russia here. Ukraine - US money helped destabilize political situation there - I showed the article to that before - AND THATS RIGHT, American money helped it. And current leader is not pro-Russian, butthead. Poland - NOT on Russia's side either. Estonia, Latvia - waving Nazi flags, abusing war memorials, claiming Holocaust never happened, refusal to give ethnic Russians citizenship and equal rights, etc. etc. etc. AND WHAT DID RUSSIA DO? We didnt fund their election campaigns. We didnt try to overthrow them. We have switched to market prices on energy and resources. Russia has done nothing aggressive, its only Americans and NATO who are continually expanding and aggressing towards these countries by building bases, missile shields, funding these regimes and supporting anti-Russian rhetoric - and for your failure to see all this you are an idiot. Russia has folded so many bases within these rebuplics, while American-backed campaign to occupy and subvert these countries is under way. But thats not a big deal, eh?
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Quite contrary. I can't seem to recall - who is building nuclear reactor in Iran?? Oh wait.. It's Russians. Who's selling weapons to Hugo Chavez? Yup. Russia again. Who's been sending Katyshas and other military equipment to Syria (Hizbolah)? Russia. Who has been selling PRO systems to Iran? Russia again. Who is defending Iran from UN sanctions (because Iran is one of the biggest consumers of russian arms and russian nuclear technology)? Same place.
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OH, and when USA is building the same reactors for lets say Israel, Pakistan, India, its OK? USA selling PRO systems to other countries as well .USA IS THE NUMBER ONE WEAPONS MANUFACTURER AND ARMS SELLER IN THE WORLD. They support far worse dictatorships that Russia does. Dont forget that it was US/UK weapons that funded the bloody Saddam Hussein regime in the 1970s/1980s, one of countless examples. And we all know how well that went. Has Iran shown any aggression towards its neighbours? NO. Dont forget, it is USA that countless times interfered with Iran. REMEMBER OPERATION AJAX, butthead? You seriously dont know jack shit. Iran is simply trying to defend itself against countless American attempts to take the country's resources again. And Iran, I REPEAT, Iran IS MANY YEARS AWAY from not only finishing the reactors, but even developing nukes, and nukes that can travel far. So stop making things up that are not even happening right now. Its only speculation at this point, and the fact that Iranians are not paying up their end of the Busher deal might suggest that the project might be actually folded eventually, butthead.
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China? Quite debatable. I have to agree on Pakistan and Indonesia. However, you have to pick your battles and I doubt that turning away Indonesia and Pakistan's business would be in US's best interests of national security, whereas selling russian arms to Hugo does nothing to improve Russian security but de-stabilizes the south american continent.
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China ... LOL ,.... check out their human right record. China is a brutal dictatorship that is oppressing provincial centers far worse than Russians did in Chechnya.
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*cough* Afganistan circa '80's? *cough* The direct aftermath of that is unpredictable. Currently, Russia is working like a busy little bee, trying to sell weapons to all the lovely countries in the middle east, quite a few of whom have a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG hard-on for US and/or Israel.
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I REPEAT, Russia is not the only one who is selling weapons to the Middle East and other dictatorships around the world. US is the number one manufacturer and they have dealt with every dictator imaginable on this planet pretty much who is not a communist. And the crimes committed and are being committed by these people is very long ... but not a big deal, eh?
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Hm... there are some theories that have Russian ties and implications reaching FAAAAAAAAAR and WIDE.
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There's a reason why they're called theories ... because they lack factual evidence.
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a very plausible and valid excuse. while we're at it, please explain the debacle behind Khodarkovsky (and phenomenon of Roman "the untouchable" Abramovich).
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Kodarkovskiy was caught red handed. He is corrupt and its true he did hide away a lot of money in back taxes like many companies in Russia try to do. And he got what was coming after him, there's no denial in that. But western media claims its a political move while they dont deny the evidence, friggin hypocrites.
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Interesting how Russia invited all the western countries to invest into the natural resources/energy sectors in russia, politicians lined their ABYSMALLY DEEP POCKETS with bribes, while they SOLD AWAY YOUR NATURAL RESOURCES. Then, Western companies (and companies like Yukos) came in, fixed the ruins that were left on post-soviet field, invested MILLIONS, created THOUSANDS of jobs, PAID MILLIONS in taxes... Nurtured and raised it to be mature industry and like a typical russian mafia thug, Kremlin stepped in and "re-nationalized" what was created by someone else. Typical bolshevik approach. if you can't do it - bring in someone else, then steal from them and call them "thiefs".
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Olny an idiot would invite a foreign person and give them your stuff, especially resources. In early 1990s, in the midst of collapse and poverty, it was so easy for western companies to bribe their way into post-soviet resources control with bribes, crazy sex prostitute drug parties (as illustrated with the BP article I showed), big bribes, political involvement, etc. etc. and so western companies like Shell and BP managed to easily and CHEAP get a hold of a lot of Russian resources. Today these bastards have been caught violating severe environmental violations that THESE VIOLATING COMPANIES DONT DISAGREE, because they did do it, and Russian government used it as an excuse, and quite rightfully to get its resources back. You would do the same if you were ripped off the first time. So stop whining. BP/Shell would have had their licenses easily revoked because they environmental damage was appalling, but Gazprom and Russian government STILL stretched their hand and offered to keep these companies with decent shares (35%) of the Sakhalin deal for their previous work in starting up and investing in the project. And these greedy Shell and BP companies have lot to gain the future. 25% of BP's profits come from Russian resources.
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Of course, russian government is trully interested in protecting people's freedom. That's why all the voice opposition is being intimidated, shut down, assasinated, imprisoned, or "disappeared".
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I said this many times over and over again - in Russia many people die and go missing, not only politicians - policemen, taxmen, children, soldiers, bankers, government workers, etc. etc. BUT FOR SOME F-CKING REASON THE JOURNALISTS ARE THE ONES WHO GET ALL THE ATTENTION. WHAT ABOUT RUSSIAN CHILDREN WHO GET BRUTALLY SHOT AND MURDERED??? WHAT ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS???? DID GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARRANGE THEIR KILLINGS TOO, IN COLD BLOOD? WHAT ABOUT POLICEMEN SHOT 3 TIMES IN THE HEAD???? HUH? Shut the f-ck up, noob, I've seen it. In my city, Sochi, in 1996 a year before I left, a police chief was found shot dead with his driver near his home, and nobody said they say anything. DID GOVERNMENT DO IT? You should do some homework and find out how many former Spetsnaz and special military personnel who lost jobs after Soviet Union collapsed and research what kind of jobs they got into afterwards. And then you'd finally understand things. Maybe then you'll be able to explain to me according to you in the same symmetrical fashion the Russian government's alleged involvement in the execution-style shooting of the top Russian government law enforcement official, Mr. Kozlov who was in charge of making sure banks are properly meeting government standards.
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I feel really sorry for you. If people like you opened their eyes, maybe Russia would be welcome in the world. However, this blind nationalism is pointless and only serves the interest of your totalitarian leaders. I'm not saying US is perfect, far from it - but at least there's a system in place where we can at least try and replace the idiots that don't belong there. IN Russia, this is on track to become a thing of the past. Just look at all the efforts surrounding the ways to circumvent the constitution to extend/modify presidential term. Russian laws are a joke. They are changed on a whim to fit the situation as needed by politicos. That's why there's no respect towards russia and why investing in russian business is such a risky proposition.
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Most ordinary Russians in Russia would tell you otherwise. I've seen it all myself with my own eyes in early 1990s how we welcomed democracy, embraced the West, and got nothing but bitter feeling of betrayal, humiliation, and ignorance of our situation. And now that Russia is rebuilding, Russian people are getting their lives back you jealous western hypocrites dare call us such names??? Russia is getting more and more democratic by the year. Instead, western leaders are becoming scared and accusing Russia of bullshit that they cant even prove. You crazy conspiracy theorists.
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and please don't get me started about the way your people are treated. Just look at all the poor, miserable people living out in the boonies without even electricity or running water. Russia - great nation.. right... my a$$..
Get real dude.
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You can never understand it. The West never has, and never will care for the Russian people. Only strong leaders like Putin have done anything for the struggling Russian people. Yeltsin was a drunk and he nearly disintegrated a country when Chechnya, Tatarstan, Bashkitstan and other regions literally fell out of control and even refused to allow federal taxmen in their regions. I lived in that era there. I saw it, the misery, the drunk, the sick, the mafia ... and I saw western companies come in and make their profits. While they could care less about Russia or their people and their well-being or future. They only care about money and keeping Russia underfoot. Well, Russians refused. And you want to keep Russia down, and it will not. The stronger the hatred towards Russia will be, the colder the relations will be.
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