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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
This isn't about giving the left more of a platform to deliver their own message, it's about them trying to limit free speech and the opposing position that is prevalent on talk radio. Sorry, but it's about whiners trying to get the government to step in and choke off the voice of their opposition when they have realized they are powerless to do so. Air America didn't fail because of some vast right-wing conspiracy. It failed because it sucked, as with just about any and all failing enterprises.


I have to grant you that Air America had its problems of content. Some of their shows just drove me nuts. FFS, Jerry fucking Springer? I actually tried listening to him once or twice when I had Sirius. As much as I tended to agree with the substance of his arguments, it was like listening to a drama queen screetching her nails on a chalkboard. He enunciated every fucking single word.

It was tough, and he wasn't the only show that drove me bonkers. But as I said, I haven't listened to Air America or the radio show hosts on it for some time, but despite the bankruptcy it's still running quite well, is it not?


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There is nothing "fair" about the Fairness Doctrine. It is complete and utter horse shit.

The opportunity for opposing views does not require government intervention. It requires an audience that demands it. Apparently that audience is not very large in the realm of talk radio, hence the playing field that exists today.


Actually the report addresses the argument of supposedly restoring the Doctrine and the straw man argument of that somehow bringing back more liberal commentary:

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[T]he Fairness Doctrine was never, by itself, an effective tool to ensure the fair discussion of important issues. The Fairness Doctrine was most effective as part of a regulatory structure that limited license terms to three years, subjected broadcasters to license challenges through comparative hearings, required notice to the local community that licenses were going to expire, and empowered the local community through a process of interviewing a variety of local leaders. Added to this regulatory structure was the cooperation of the broadcast industry through the National Association of Broadcasters Code of Conduct

Simply reinstating the Fairness Doctrine will do little to address the gap between conservative and progressive talk unless the underlying elements of the public trustee doctrine are enforced, in particular, the requirements of local accountability and the reasonable airing of important matters.


The report (which again, have you read it yet?) outlines that the Doctrine itself will not rebalance the radio. Rather, it's the concentration of media conglomerates and ineffective regulation is what has hurt more local businesses.

Really now, I thought you Conservatives were all for helping out smaller businesses? Do they not deserve a better footing for their product, especially when a relaxing of certain rules essentially gobbled them up almost entirely? As one of the authors of the report stated:

quote:
“If we break up concentrated ownership, and encourage greater local accountability over radio licensing, and still end up with lots of conservative talk, then so be it. We don’t think this will happen but at least the playing field would have been made more level.”


I really don't understand the fear you have here for this. It does exactly the opposite of what you are complaining about - it gives more voices to others (i.e. FREE SPEECH). But for some strange reason, you Conservatives do not like that......


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If you listen to any "right-wing" talk radio host, they quite welcome the competition for the explicit purpose that they know that the opposition will whine and pull out the Fairness Doctrine card every time they fail to generate enough of an audience to maintain their radio slot. Boortz has predicted this for over a year now. It's quite ironic really.


Yes I listen to Conservative radio for shits and giggles, and their "balance" and "welcome" of competition with open arms is quite amusing, to say the least. Again, take a look at the actual argument itself rather than run to the straw man about forcing more liberal voices over the air. The argument rests entirely on allowing smaller businesses to compete better by actually ENFORCING the rules already laid out but have been eased. If the concentrated ownership is broken up a bit more to allow more LOCAL voices to be heard, and IF those voices continue to trend heavily towards Conservative talking points, then so be it.

From that vantage point, what is there really to fear?

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Furthermore, there is no real restriction on having people with opposing views of the talk show hosts from calling in and expressing them and engaging the hosts in healthy debate, so I don't really see why it's a relavent argument to bring up in the first place. I listen to plenty of talk radio and I hear plenty of opposing views. It's not always some right-wing lovefest that the left seems to portray it to be.


Please stop. That's got to be one of the weakest arguments you've given here. The calling screeners for those shows are borderline hilarious in of themselves (I've tried numerous times myself). Hannity kills me on this regard. Not only does his screener filter out any educated opposing view, but deliberately grabs the most crazy, screaming liberal available with no substantive view to jump in as an "opposing voice" to supposedly "counter" Hannity.

And that is what you call a "fair" balance - a screetching sound of opposition deliberately filtered out by the screeners versus actually owning the show and controlling the entire message and direction of that show.

And yes, it is a fucking lovefest on those shows. Limbaugh is by far and away the worst, but Hannity comes in a close second. It's fucking painful, but it keeps me awake on my commuting drive to and from school..

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Another interesting point made today is that the author of the Think Progress article is none other than John Podesta, Bill Clinton's former Chief of Staff. Nice timing. Perhaps it's a Hillary conspiracy.


Say, where'd you get that idea?:

http://levin.nationalreview.com/pos...Tg2M2U3NmQyYWE=

ThinkProgress addressed this notion:

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The Center for American Progress, headed by former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta, is one group. Free Press is its own, distinct group. The report was a collaboration between these two progressive nonprofit organizations. Perhaps Levin can make clear whether he thinks Free Press is part of the Clinton conspiracy, or was duped into collaborating on the report.

Additionally, CAP does not coordinate with any campaign, and Levin offers no evidence — other than his “guess” — that the report’s “purpose” was to “help Hillary Clinton.” The real purpose of the report was to highlight the imbalance in talk radio and propose remedies.

ThinkProgress also spoke with Josh Silver, executive director of Free Press, who issued this response to Levin:

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As executive director of Free Press, I was surprised to learn on the National Review Web site that my organization was part of the Center for American Progress. While we did work with CAP on this study of talk radio programming, as well as issues like Community Internet, a simple Google search would have showed that Free Press is an independent, nonpartisan organization. We don’t take money from any political party or corporation, and we have teamed up on different media policy issues with everyone from MoveOn.org and the Christian Coalition to the ACLU, the Parents Television Council and the American Library Association.

Last I checked, we were even working with The National Review itself on a campaign to stop unfair postal rate hikes that threaten smaller publications and opinion journals. If we can get those rate hikes reversed, hopefully NRO.com will be able to hire more fact-checkers.


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/21/levin-radio/


Over 4,000 messages on that post now. You boys did a terrific professional hit on that one. The vitriol on some of those posts would make Coulter even blush. But hey, it's free speech, and trolls are annoying as shit but still can post - hardly what could be said for almost every single Conservative blog out there (some of the biggest ones don't even allow comments, do they now?).


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Shakka
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quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I have to grant you that Air America had its problems of content. Some of their shows just drove me nuts. FFS, Jerry fucking Springer? I actually tried listening to him once or twice when I had Sirius. As much as I tended to agree with the substance of his arguments, it was like listening to a drama queen screetching her nails on a chalkboard. He enunciated every fucking single word.

It was tough, and he wasn't the only show that drove me bonkers. But as I said, I haven't listened to Air America or the radio show hosts on it for some time, but despite the bankruptcy it's still running quite well, is it not?




Actually the report addresses the argument of supposedly restoring the Doctrine and the straw man argument of that somehow bringing back more liberal commentary:



The report (which again, have you read it yet?) outlines that the Doctrine itself will not rebalance the radio. Rather, it's the concentration of media conglomerates and ineffective regulation is what has hurt more local businesses.

Really now, I thought you Conservatives were all for helping out smaller businesses? Do they not deserve a better footing for their product, especially when a relaxing of certain rules essentially gobbled them up almost entirely? As one of the authors of the report stated:



I really don't understand the fear you have here for this. It does exactly the opposite of what you are complaining about - it gives more voices to others (i.e. FREE SPEECH). But for some strange reason, you Conservatives do not like that......




Yes I listen to Conservative radio for shits and giggles, and their "balance" and "welcome" of competition with open arms is quite amusing, to say the least. Again, take a look at the actual argument itself rather than run to the straw man about forcing more liberal voices over the air. The argument rests entirely on allowing smaller businesses to compete better by actually ENFORCING the rules already laid out but have been eased. If the concentrated ownership is broken up a bit more to allow more LOCAL voices to be heard, and IF those voices continue to trend heavily towards Conservative talking points, then so be it.

From that vantage point, what is there really to fear?



Please stop. That's got to be one of the weakest arguments you've given here. The calling screeners for those shows are borderline hilarious in of themselves (I've tried numerous times myself). Hannity kills me on this regard. Not only does his screener filter out any educated opposing view, but deliberately grabs the most crazy, screaming liberal available with no substantive view to jump in as an "opposing voice" to supposedly "counter" Hannity.

And that is what you call a "fair" balance - a screetching sound of opposition deliberately filtered out by the screeners versus actually owning the show and controlling the entire message and direction of that show.

And yes, it is a fucking lovefest on those shows. Limbaugh is by far and away the worst, but Hannity comes in a close second. It's fucking painful, but it keeps me awake on my commuting drive to and from school..



Say, where'd you get that idea?:

http://levin.nationalreview.com/pos...Tg2M2U3NmQyYWE=

ThinkProgress addressed this notion:



http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/21/levin-radio/

Over 4,000 messages on that post now. You boys did a terrific professional hit on that one. The vitriol on some of those posts would make Coulter even blush. But hey, it's free speech, and trolls are annoying as shit but still can post - hardly what could be said for almost every single Conservative blog out there (some of the biggest ones don't even allow comments, do they now?).


Whatever. I haven't looked at a single other site to get my input. I don't know what 4000 posts you're talking about, you silly SOB. I have never even heard of the websites you're tossing about. "You guys??". You really believe in the conspiracy, don't you. Here's another roll of tin foil. Newsflash: I am but one man with one opinion.

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MisterOpus1
Grumpy Old Fart



Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Whatever. I haven't looked at a single other site to get my input.


If you say so, then I'll take your word for it.

quote:
I don't know what 4000 posts you're talking about, you silly SOB.


Well simply scroll back to your original post that started this thread and go to the link that YOU posted and you'll see what I'm referring to.

Have I resorted down to namecalling yet?

quote:
I have never even heard of the websites you're tossing about.


Uhh, correct me if I'm wrong, but the only two websites I "tossed" out were ThinkProgress (which was the website you originally linked to), and National Review (which I believe you've posted a story or two from in the past, have you not?


quote:
"You guys??". You really believe in the conspiracy, don't you. Here's another roll of tin foil. Newsflash: I am but one man with one opinion.


To which I may disagree with but I still respect. My post in regards to that is the fact that over at ThinkProgress (I am a freqent diner there), the average number of comments per posts usually doesn't go above 100-200, but that sucker got hit by over 4,000. I didn't even need to put my tin foil hat on for that one to know a concerted effort was made by a few websites to hit back at the report ThinkProgress made.

And BTW, isn't this the same guy with but "one opinion" that purported a former Clinton staff member creating that media report for a "Hillary conspiracy"?

Pot? Kettle?


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Shakka
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Registered: Feb 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Well simply scroll back to your original post that started this thread and go to the link that YOU posted and you'll see what I'm referring to.

Have I resorted down to namecalling yet?


Twas lighthearted. I know you didn't get your feelings hurt. I reserve words like "poopyhead" and "d-bag" for folks that really get under my skin.



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Uhh, correct me if I'm wrong, but the only two websites I "tossed" out were ThinkProgress (which was the website you originally linked to), and National Review (which I believe you've posted a story or two from in the past, have you not?


Okay, and "commentary magazine," though I didn't click any of them. Point was that I felt you were lumping me in with a group that I am not in any way connected to. I'll retract it if it makes you feel better.


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And BTW, isn't this the same guy with but "one opinion" that purported a former Clinton staff member creating that media report for a "Hillary conspiracy"?

Pot? Kettle?


lol. I heard Hannity talking about that yesterday. I threw it out there. Guess I'm a hypocrite!

Still at the end of the day (highlighted by the Clinton/Boxer comment mentioned by Q), this is not an issue of giving more time to liberal talk radio, it is about certain individuals trying to silence their critics by any means necessary. Ain't government grand?

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MisterOpus1
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Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Twas lighthearted. I know you didn't get your feelings hurt. I reserve words like "poopyhead" and "d-bag" for folks that really get under my skin.


Sorry. Sometimes it's difficult to hear the "tone" of voice used in posts.

But I'm the sensitive librul type, whad'ya expect?


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Okay, and "commentary magazine," though I didn't click any of them. Point was that I felt you were lumping me in with a group that I am not in any way connected to. I'll retract it if it makes you feel better.


No biggie.


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Still at the end of the day (highlighted by the Clinton/Boxer comment mentioned by Q), this is not an issue of giving more time to liberal talk radio, it is about certain individuals trying to silence their critics by any means necessary. Ain't government grand?


I understand that point, and to a certain extent I actually agree with it. Let's face it, AM radio is owned and dominated by Conservative voices. Trying to undermine or overturn that is completely impossible. No reinforcement of rules, I believe, will change that. But I do highlight the fact that I think there is validity to the argument of media domination by a select few that's filtering out other voices heard, especially local voices.

Meh. Most of the time I'm listening to Sports talk shows anyway......


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Shakka
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quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1


Meh. Most of the time I'm listening to Sports talk shows anyway......


So do I get to look forward to Michael Vick starting this fall or will the Falcons' hopes fall in the lap of Joey Harrington? *gasp* Finneran out for the season....again.

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MisterOpus1
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Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
So do I get to look forward to Michael Vick starting this fall or will the Falcons' hopes fall in the lap of Joey Harrington? *gasp* Finneran out for the season....again.


I think for image sake (and even long term sake), you'd better hope Vick isn't your man. Sucks about Finneran - is Harrington that bad? Can't say I follow his progress much.


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Think Progress is the biggest crock of shit on the planet. Only reason this is being brought up again is because Liberals have no market in talk-radio so the best way to attack is to silence conservatives, which in their opinion is making it "equal" which is basically destroying the constitution and making freedom of speech diminish even more.

"If you're not a liberal when you're young you have no heart. If you're not a conservative when you're older you have no brain."

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MisterOpus1
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Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by jupiterone
Think Progress is the biggest crock of shit on the planet. Only reason this is being brought up again is because Liberals have no market in talk-radio


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Air America and Ed Schultz are still up and running, are they not?

Furthermore, again correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Ed Schultz beaten Hannity during the same time slot in some of the biggest cities?


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so the best way to attack is to silence conservatives, which in their opinion is making it "equal" which is basically destroying the constitution and making freedom of speech diminish even more.


How is enforcing a law that was relaxed in the 80's somehow "silencing" Conservatives? Could you point out somewhere in the report make by ThinkProgress where they imply or even indirectly imply in any way how balancing the playing field for local radio stations somehow "silences" the Conservative blather coming out of the radio? Again I state:

quote:
The report (which again, have you read it yet?) outlines that the Doctrine itself will not rebalance the radio. Rather, it's the concentration of media conglomerates and ineffective regulation is what has hurt more local businesses.

Really now, I thought you Conservatives were all for helping out smaller businesses? Do they not deserve a better footing for their product, especially when a relaxing of certain rules essentially gobbled them up almost entirely? As one of the authors of the report stated:

quote:
“If we break up concentrated ownership, and encourage greater local accountability over radio licensing, and still end up with lots of conservative talk, then so be it. We don’t think this will happen but at least the playing field would have been made more level.”



I really don't understand the fear you have here for this. It does exactly the opposite of what you are complaining about - it gives more voices to others (i.e. FREE SPEECH). But for some strange reason, you Conservatives do not like that......


In reality, the report wants to allow MORE free speech away from the corporate conglomerates that have consolidated the radio waves. Is that what you consider "silencing" voices?

Strange.

quote:
"If you're not a liberal when you're young you have no heart. If you're not a conservative when you're older you have no brain."


Oh goody, Mr. Fun Quotes! I got a few myself:

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The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
-G. K. Chesterton

Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and useful that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant.
-John Adams

Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen.
-Mort Sahl

The Democrats are the party of government activism, the party that says government can make you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweed out of your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then get elected and prove it.
-P.J. O'Rourke

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
-William E. Gladstone

I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.
-Adlai Stevenson


Hee hee, oh the fun.


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Can't let a thread die...

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quote:
The Return of the Speech Police
By DENNIS PATRICK and THOMAS W. HAZLETT
July 30, 2007; Page A13

Government regulation of broadcast speech clashes with the First Amendment. This is why 20 years ago the Federal Communications Commission voted 4-0 to abolish the so-called Fairness Doctrine, a rule that required broadcasters to cover "controversial issues of public importance" and to afford reasonable opportunities for the presentation of "contrasting perspectives" on those issues. By abolishing this rule, the FCC unleashed a dramatic increase in media coverage of controversial public-policy matters.
[Speech Police]

Still, not everyone is happy. Some, including Sen. Richard Durbin (D., Ill.), are calling for a return of the Fairness Doctrine. Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D., N.Y.) plans to introduce the "Media Ownership Reform Act," establishing a "fairness" mandate. Acknowledging that the amount of airtime devoted to discussion of politics and government has increased since 1987, champions of re-instituting the doctrine are nevertheless concerned about a perceived political bias, especially in AM talk radio. For some, it seems, less talk was better than so much of this kind of talk.

Re-imposing "fairness" regulation would be a colossal mistake. To understand why, it's important to review the lessons learned from a well-intended regulation gone wrong.

The Fairness Doctrine was an FCC policy dating to 1949. It set forth principles to which most broadcasters (and the authors) readily subscribe: Radio and television stations should endeavor to cover important public issues from "balanced perspectives." The problem arose from federal enforcement. Once a complaint was filed, a broadcaster was compelled to defend its editorial choices, including which issues were covered and how contrasting views were aired.

In 1969, the Supreme Court affirmed the policy's constitutionality against a First Amendment challenge, but did so based on the FCC's assurance that the net effect of the doctrine was to increase, not decrease, coverage of controversial issues. By 1985, the commission had changed its mind. Based on abundant evidence that broadcasters declined to cover certain issues for fear of license challenges, the commission concluded that the Fairness Doctrine "chilled" free speech, was bad public policy and was probably unconstitutional.

Still, the FCC declined to abolish the doctrine, deferring to Congress, which favored retention. (A bill to codify the doctrine was passed with bipartisan support but vetoed by President Reagan.) An awkward equilibrium resulted: An independent agency disapproved of its own regulation, while a congressional majority was unable to make it law.

The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia forced the commission's hand. Acknowledging that the FCC "felt intense political, if not legal, pressure from Congress," the court noted that "we are aware of no precedent that permits a federal agency to ignore a constitutional challenge to the application of its own policy merely because the resolution would be politically awkward."

On Aug. 4, 1987, shortly after Dennis Patrick became FCC chairman, the commission eliminated the Fairness Doctrine. A hellish uproar ensued. Editorials attacked the decision as excessive Reagan-era deregulation. Congressional committee chairmen held press conferences to denounce the decision as "wrongheaded." Oversight hearings were convened and investigations launched. In the end, Congress found that four bureaucrats had complied with a court order to resolve a constitutional challenge, voting their consciences.

The Fairness Doctrine was bad public policy. It rested on the presumption that government regulators can coolly review editorial choices and, with the power to license (or not license) stations, improve the quantity and quality of broadcast news. Yet, as the volcanic eruption triggered by repeal amply demonstrated, government enforcement of "fairness" was extremely political.

Evaluations were hotly contested; each regulatory determination was loaded with implications for warring factions. The simple ceases to be easy once government is forced to issue blanket rules. What public issues are crucial to cover? How many contrasting views, and presented by whom, in what context, and for how long? The Fairness Doctrine brought a federal agency into the newsroom to second-guess a broadcaster's editorial judgments at the behest of combatants rarely motivated by the ideal of "balanced" coverage.

Broadcasters learned to play with their heads down. A controversial news report or edgy editorial comment could generate requests for free time to present a contrasting view as balance. And if disgruntled complainants remained, challenges could be filed at the FCC. Loss of license is a death penalty for the broadcaster, and stations would spend heavily on lawyers, consultants and lobbyists to avoid this possibility.

Stations were incentivized to offer bland, uncontroversial news reports, retreating to a safe haven protected from Fairness Doctrine complaints. The true costs of the policy could thus be counted by the issues not covered, the controversies not engaged and the information not conveyed to the public.

While the Fairness Doctrine remained in place, numerous journalists (including CBS's Dan Rather and NBC's Bill Monroe) offered compelling testimony that editors steered reporters away from particular areas due to fear of "fairness" complaints. But this was conjecture -- more systematic evidence of the doctrine's social costs was difficult to gather.

Once the repeal placed radio and TV licensees under a new regime, however, these costs became possible to quantify. Elimination of the Fairness Doctrine unleashed torrents of informational programming. Once unregulated, controversy raged.

In radio, where stations are categorized by formats, a 1997 study by Thomas Hazlett and David Sosa, published in the Journal of Legal Studies, showed news, talk, newstalk and public-affairs stations rising to 28% of AM radio formats in 1995 from 7% of AM formats in 1987. In FM, the increase was to 7% from 3% during that same period. Television broadcasters also added abundant news coverage, including a host of network-sponsored news magazines.

Just last week, the current FCC chairman, Kevin Martin, noted that "with the continued proliferation of additional sources of information and programming, including satellite broadcasting and the Internet, the need for the Fairness Doctrine has lessened even further since 1987." He is correct: The world without the Fairness Doctrine features exponentially more discussion of public issues from contrasting perspectives, much of it from new media outlets that were never subjected to the Fairness Doctrine. The robust diversity of the blogosphere and the ideological rivalry among competing cable news channels all speak to the advantages of permitting the marketplace of ideas to make its own editorial cuts, FCC-free.

In the old days, the Fairness Doctrine was almost universally popular among the political class. Left-leaning champions of regulation sought rules to counter the slant of "corporate" media. Simultaneously, conservatives sought to oppose the liberal establishment. Most troubling were those who privately conceded their true goal was retention of a federal "club" with which to "influence" reporters and their bosses. Potential Fairness Doctrine complaints made news editors timid champions of freedom of the press.

Today, right-leaning politicians have recanted, as the explosion in talk radio has given their ideas a platform never before enjoyed. Brian Andersen's 2005 book "South Park Conservatives" rejoices that free speech has proven far more hospitable to conservative views than GOP exponents of the Fairness Doctrine ever imagined.

Many American liberals, seeing (or hearing) the same outcomes, support the reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine. These advocates of content regulation need to be reminded of the words of one great liberal, the late Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, who wrote in Columbia Broadcasting v. Democratic Committee (1973): "The prospect of putting Government in a position of control over publishers is to me an appalling one, even to the extent of the Fairness Doctrine. The struggle for liberty has been a struggle against Government."

Mr. Patrick was chairman of the FCC from 1987-1989. Mr. Hazlett is professor of law and economics at George Mason University and was chief economist of the FCC in 1991-92.

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There is a well documented effect in psychology called polarization that happens when people that hold similar views are only exposed to their particular views. That is where the fairness doctrine would come into play. Most people tune into programs with a particular slant in order to confirm and expand their particular views. Due to the liberty to tune in to things that you want to listen to (ie. things you agree with) instead of tuning in to things you don't want to listen to (ie. things you dont agree with), people will keep on polarizing their own view on things, and will probably be lead astray. The fairness doctrine could help balance out opinions, diminishing the formation of extremists views. That's the general idea. I think it will help form a better informed society. After all, freedom of speech comes with its consequences. This is just one of them. It's already an established norm in academic discourse. No one whines about freedom of speech there. Only half-brained radio jockies want to see no repercussions for the use of words.


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There is a well documented effect in psychology called polarization that happens when people that hold similar views are only exposed to their particular views. That is where the fairness doctrine would come into play. Most people tune into programs with a particular slant in order to confirm and expand their particular views. Due to the liberty to tune in to things that you want to listen to (ie. things you agree with) instead of tuning in to things you don't want to listen to (ie. things you dont agree with), people will keep on polarizing their own view on things, and will probably be lead astray. The fairness doctrine could help balance out opinions, diminishing the formation of extremists views. That's the general idea. I think it will help form a better informed society. After all, freedom of speech comes with its consequences. This is just one of them. It's already an established norm in academic discourse. No one whines about freedom of speech there. Only half-brained radio jockies want to see no repercussions for the use of words.


Aye;

I'm always amused when people label me as "this or that", because honestly, though of course based on the groundwork of others, I've come to all of my worldly opinions as a result of myself.

I hate to see people feel that if they support X, they must support Y because all people who suppose X true must also support Y.

Damn, that sounded like something an engineer would say. Let's put the jargon in perspective.

Just be yourself, think for yourself, decide what's right and wrong for yourself.

Hey, I think the constitutional meaning of "right to bear arms" means that we should be able to publically possess any weapon the federal government can imagine up in their secret silos. It's a matter of keeping the game in check. And on the flip side of the coin, I believe in people's inherent freedom from persecution, which in our time would be the gay rights movement or whatever else. There's always someone the majority picks on, and I'm all for the underdog fighting back without violence whenever possible to make a better world for everyone.

:shrug:

peace

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