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Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte



Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

Oh yea, forgot to mention...not only did America aid the Palestinians, so did Israel...
Not just a bit, but hundreds of millions...

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Israel agrees to release funds to Abbas

By AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press WriterSun Jun 24, 12:09 PM ET

Israel agreed Sunday to begin releasing hundreds of millions of dollars in frozen tax funds to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, a gesture to bolster the moderate Palestinian leader in his standoff against the Islamic militant group Hamas.

The decision came a day before Prime Minister Ehud Olmert heads to Egypt for a high-profile summit with Abbas, President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and Jordanian King Abdullah II.

The gathering is meant to give Abbas a high-profile display of support against Hamas, which violently seized control of the Gaza Strip in a bloody rout of Abbas' Fatah movement earlier this month.

But Olmert cautioned against high expectations for the summit.

"We have an interest in having this meeting, but I don't want anyone to think we're on the brink of a dramatic breakthrough," Olmert told his Cabinet, according to a meeting participant.

Abbas, however, said he received U.S. and Israeli assurances that Israel was ready to make progress at the summit. The Palestinian president, who met with King Abdullah II in Jordan, said he would ask Israel to free Palestinian prisoners, in addition to easing restrictions at crossing points and releasing the tax money, the official Jordanian news agency Petra reported.

Ismail Haniyeh, the deposed Palestinian prime minister, dismissed the summit as a "mirage," saying resistance was the only hope for Palestinians.

"The Americans won't give anything. Israel won't give us anything. Our land, our nation will not come back to us except with steadfastness and resistance," a code word for attacks against Israel, he said in Gaza.

The Palestinian infighting has left the Palestinians with two governments — Abbas' new Cabinet in the West Bank, and the Hamas rulers in Gaza. Israel and moderate Arab leaders have joined to support Abbas and isolate Hamas, a radical group pledged to Israel's destruction.

Olmert aide David Baker said it was premature to begin talks on a final peace deal, despite calls from the Palestinians and other Arab countries to do so.

Israel is prepared to discuss "a political horizon," he said. "These talks do not include final status issues, but rather how the prime minister and the president of the Palestinian Authority would envision a future Palestinian state."

Israel has withheld some $550 million of Palestinian tax money since Hamas swept Palestinian parliamentary elections in January 2006, saying it feared Hamas would use the money to finance terror attacks. Abbas kicked Hamas out of the Palestinian government after the group took Gaza, clearing the way for a transfer of the money.

Olmert's spokeswoman, Miri Eisin, said Sunday's Cabinet vote was a "decision in principle" to release the funds, and that the "exact amount" would be discussed at Monday's summit and then by the Israeli government.

A Cabinet meeting participant said he expected a "mechanism" for transferring the money to be in place within days. However, he said the money would not begin flowing until Abbas' new government formally accepts international calls to renounce violence and recognize Israel.

The official, who asked not to be identified under Israeli civil servant rules, said the money would be released gradually to ensure it doesn't reach Hamas.

Meeting participants said the proposal passed by an overwhelming majority; only two hard-line ministers voted against it.

Without the funds — mostly customs duties that Israel collects on behalf of the Palestinians — the Palestinian government has been unable to pay salaries.

Mohammed Dahlan, a former top Fatah official in Gaza, urged Israel to turn over the money immediately. "This is not a gift," he said. "This is the Palestinian people's money, which was stolen by the Israelis."

Haniyeh said some of the money must be directed to Gaza as well as the West Bank. It "must reach all Palestinian people without discrimination or differentiation," he said.

Olmert also met with top security officials Sunday to discuss removing some of the hundreds of roadblocks Israel has erected in the West Bank. Israel says the travel restrictions are necessary security measures. Palestinians say they are excessive and crushing their economy.

Although no decisions were made, Olmert told his Cabinet that removing the roadblocks would be a necessary risk. "We are strong enough to take calculated risks," he was quoted as saying.

In return, Israel will demand in Egypt that Abbas confront militants — something he had been reluctant to do before Hamas' Gaza victory.

"We shall present there our expectations from the opposite side, our demands on the issues of security and the war against terror, but definitely also our readiness to cooperate with the new government," Olmert said in televised comments before the Cabinet meeting.

Since losing control of Gaza, Abbas has acted with uncharacteristic determination: He expelled Hamas from its coalition government with his Fatah movement, set up an emergency Cabinet, and embarked on a widening crackdown on the Islamic group that has included arrests of hundreds of gunmen in the West Bank and a plan to dry up its funding.

The Hamas takeover of Gaza also complicates the case of Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier who has held captive by Hamas-linked militants in the coastal territory for a year.

On Sunday, hundreds of protesters gathered outside Israel's Parliament to mark the one-year anniversary of Shalit's capture.

Noam Shalit, the soldier's father, criticized the government for failing to win his son's release.

"If an entire country, its leaders...the sophisticated systems it has, satellites, drones, can't bring back a soldier from captivity after an entire year, and can't even get firm information about his condition and health, then we should all be worried," Shalit said.

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Old Post Jun-26-2007 01:10  Canada
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xiad
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quote:
Israel agreed Sunday to begin releasing hundreds of millions of dollars in frozen tax funds to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas


Releasing FROZEN funds isn't aiding, it is lifting siege.
Listen, you can post, as you said, all about the Israeli apologist perspective. You can back it up with 2 page articles exracted from counterterroristblog.org all you want. It will not change my thoughts, the thoughts of the Palestinian people towards Israel, nor will it change the thoughts of open minded intellectuals across the globe, who openly CHALLENGE Israels APARTHEID (yes, I say it again) against the Palentinians, one of those being former US President Jimmy Carter.

As for the statement by Zawahri, that was released THIS week. You're telling me that NOW, after almost 2 years of being officially elected, the stance taken by the governments of Israel and the United States are justified by something said for obvious propoganda purposes by Americas arch enemy? Anything said by Zawahri is irrelivant, since he has a tendancy to try and play on Arabs emotions through these pathetic tape messages and videos, based on bullshit interpretation of current events.

Please, please, please don't get me wrong. I DO NOT SUPPORT HAMAS . I do believe that they should have never got into power. I've been an unpartial observer of this situation for a long, long while. But the fact of the matter remains that they are the officially elected government of "Palestine". Same goes for the GWB administration. He was elected democratically. Won by a slim margin (both times), and most of the world, in the least, disapproves of his political stances and his policies. If the tables were turned, and the Palestinians hypothetically had all the money, and all the power, who do you think would being lucky enough to have their 'funds unfrozen'. The only difference between the two is that one is the leader of the worlds most hegemonic superpower, and the other is the victim of 61 years of oppression.
As for the Arab-Israelis conspiring against Israel in the 6 Day War, update your wikipedia. We are now in 2007, over 40 years after the fact. This is an entirely new generation of individuals. MOST of which who want peace. Give me a break.

Finally, as for the mortar and RPG attacks, let me just put it this way, which came 1st, the chicken or the egg??

Think about that one.


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Old Post Jun-26-2007 10:09  United States
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Well, at least we agree on something

Totally wromng mate.
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And why wouldn't there be? We're talking about Arabs that conspired to attack Israel that caused the 6-Day War.
I'm sure there are many other reasons since then but the resentment and distrust don't just disappear over night.
That doesn't mean I don't disagree that something should be done to at least get them out of the Limbo that was created out of that mess.

Israel wants to invade all the arabic world from Iraq to Egypt
,this plan is estabilished by the Zionism movement.
read well
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Ah yes, walls.
I agree, walls suck.
However, walls either keep people in or out.
Guess which?
And since the situation wasn't going to be changed by the 'other side' anytime, the wall was built to keep undesirables, out.
I'm well aware that walls don't build bridges but neither do constant RPG barrages on civilians.
So unless there's a solution to the stopping of the RPGs, I don't see the wall coming down anytime soon either.
I might not agree with it either but I'm pretty sure the original meaning was lost and now looks like a pen for the Palestinians.
The Palestinian authorities should probably learn to house their unsavory elements lest someone do it for them; hence the wall which now effects everyone.
If you have a better idea, lets here it.
Well thanks for Ad Hominem I guess.
I'm glad you understand what 'discrimination' is.
The point, obviously missed, was that Israel was left with a tough decision about a land that didn't belong to anyone and came under their control.
Granted, they probably could had a resolution before now and you can't say to me they're not trying because it would be a lie.

Wait dude u don't How much discrimnation and violation
against occupied Palastine rights
read WELL

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Wait, what?
The Israelis and the Americans are responsible for the civil war?
Wow.
All I've ever heard from his board regarding Israel and their military movements was how imperialistic and Nazi-like their regime is.
You can't honestly tell me had Israel actually stepped in between Fatah and Hamas that that would somehow magically change in the name of 'democracy'?
I raise my eyebrow at that seriously.

REAd well dude
America is behind all of this.
quote:
Unfortunate yes, however Hamas is labelled a 'terrorist' organization.
Explain to us why people's taxpayer dollars should be funding this group again?
Especially since Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has issued a statement urging Muslims to support Hamas, and calling on Hamas to unite with al Qaeda and bring shari’a law to Gaza.
Yea, that would be brilliant!
>>Source<<

But wait, Bush DID actually fund Fatah and guess what? Has now solidified Hamas' claws into the Palestine people.

>>Source<<
See above explanation on this.

Wrong mate
read well
quote:
Hasn't Israel done enough on stirring the pot?
I know I'm sounding like an Israeli apologist through most of this, but I'm also playing devil's advocate since Israel is far from being perfect in this whole story.
However, the Palestinians themselves are far from being exempt, especially in matters that affect their closest neighbors.

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wrong


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Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte



Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by M.Johan
Totally wromng mate.

Israel wants to invade all the arabic world from Iraq to Egypt
,this plan is estabilished by the Zionism movement.
read well

Wait dude u don't How much discrimnation and violation
against occupied Palastine rights
read WELL


REAd well dude
America is behind all of this.

Wrong mate
read well

-1
wrong


LOL!
I don't know what's worse, your lack of rebuttal and contribution or that aweful format


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M.Johan
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
LOL!
I don't know what's worse, your lack of rebuttal and contribution or that aweful format

No dude,
there're many reports and sources which can supply u with full detailed facts about these realities of the conflicts in the M.East.


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