Well, I can't argue with the fact that the majority are fat, stupid, and boring, and that goes for the men too. I'd tend to agree that it's less bad in Europe, but the difference only appears dramatic to me in regards to the weight issue. Stupidity and boringness are regrettably pandemic.

How is the situation in Holland?

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Dutch girls are nice. I have been to Amsterdam twice, in certain districts you can find 'game' old girls. But seriously, the normal birds on the street seem to be all slim, attractive and tanned. They are quite friendly as well, I remember walking in the park with my friends and this stunner walked past, we where all staring at her with slack jaws. She walked past and said "hello" with a smile

British girls, well in the past decade they have been packing on the pounds. There are a lot of overweight girls same goes for the guys as well. You won’t have a problem with chatting to girls in England, there are a lot of easy girls. Some girls are a bit uptight but it’s like that everywhere.

"North American women" are just fine, not sure what you're complaining about. There's some nice people and a bunch of a-holes everywhere, America isn't any different in that respect. Although you have a point there, it's not really specific exclusively to women.

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Very interesting thread, something I thought about myself, I had some questions, well sort of, I dont know how to approach this ...

Ok, I know how ... can someone please explain this: I am a guy who doesnt drink, doesnt do any kind of drugs, doesnt have any criminal record, doesnt smoke, doesnt do gangs, doesnt have any bad habits, very organized, tidy, high on hygiene, doesnt have any health problems, very active, etc ... but why is all of that given so little of look for most North American women? I mean, in Russia I can find a woman WITH NO PROBLEM with all those qualities, plus my humour and personality and additional qualities. But here in Canada women dont look for those qualities ... I dont really have a problem with women - though I do find it hard to find a LADY, a right woman, but I would like someone to please comment on this.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Very interesting thread, something I thought about myself, I had some questions, well sort of, I dont know how to approach this ... Ok, I know how ... can someone please explain this: I am a guy who doesnt drink, doesnt do any kind of drugs, doesnt have any criminal record, doesnt smoke, doesnt do gangs, doesnt have any bad habits, very organized, tidy, high on hygiene, doesnt have any health problems, very active, etc ... but why is all of that given so little of look for most North American women? I mean, in Russia I can find a woman WITH NO PROBLEM with all those qualities, plus my humour and personality and additional qualities. But here in Canada women dont look for those qualities ... I dont really have a problem with women - though I do find it hard to find a LADY, a right woman, but I would like someone to please comment on this.

Well, part of your answer is already there in my last post:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z "North American women" are just fine, not sure what you're complaining about. There's some nice people and a bunch of a-holes everywhere, America isn't any different in that respect. Although you have a point there, it's not really specific exclusively to women.

I can't think of any nice way of putting this, but the fact that you don't drink or do drugs makes you somewhat boring in most young people's eyes. I'm not saying you're boring, what I'm saying is they're incredibly shallow and don't know how to have a good time with out drugs or alcohol.

Then of course most women our age haven't the slightest clue what they want out of a relationship, and are fairly immature (not that it doesn't apply to men, just in a different way).

Contemporary modern culture kind of revolves around partying and sex for the most part, and most of it is fairly superficial. "Youth culture," for lack of a better term, is fairly superficial and juvenile in the US. If you're a person of intelligence or integrity, you shouldn't expect to have much in common with most people, not just in the US, but anywhere. I quit drinking a long time ago, never really enjoyed it much to begin with, and pretty much stopped doing ex, coke, and smoking pot a while ago too, I'll smoke every now and then, but that's about it. And I noticed how most social interactions became rather boring as a result of that and I stopped hanging out with most of my friends and acquaintances, pretty much stopped going to parties and all that. It's somewhat alienating in that respect although I'm not entirely sure if that's the case for you. As a result, my circle of friends and acquaintances changed quite a bit and the environment I interact with people in. Not that I don't still have friends who do all that, but for the most part they're pretty intelligent people who you can actually have an interesting conversation with or enjoy and activity that doesn't revolve around or include drinking or smoking. I had an array of reasons for quiting drugs/alcohol. If you're interested in that bit, we could always discuss it over PMs.

Anyways, that part of my take on it, I might add some more later. I'm at work right now, so I can't really make long posts at the moment and this over simplified version will have to do for now.

EDIT: Stuff added.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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I have luck wearing this t-shirt in every country I visit.

I have a lot of female friends, more than guy friends. What really bothers me is that often the girls tell me the stories of how guys treat them bad, how they're doing this and that .. and then you see them doing EXACTLY the same stuff, if not worse to people. I just listen and never say anything incriminating, just like any smart guy would, console them, but I know its all ballony. SOME North American women can sometimes be very dumb (no offense to the ladies out there) when it comes to dealing with people, especially in relationships. They expect so much and give hell to the poor guys. I.e. I want this and that from the guy, but I dont give a shit what he wants or what his opinion is. They cry on my shoulder a lot on this, how her boyfriend didnt call her yesterday, but how she is secretly going with some other guy tonight, and how its just going to be a friends-thing. And so on. Its just sad ...

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^ Yup.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

There are many theories and opinions, but there are also some facts about America that, objectively speaking, make life difficult for many males. I think the following facts are not in dispute:

- Conservative/prudish attitudes to sex (compared to Europe, Russia, Asia, Australia). Just the read the article I posted today about how sex is much easier to get in Europe;

- A culture largely based on sports to the exclusion of everything else (so if you're not into sports you are severely limited in your access to social networks)

- Strict "euphemistic" conformity. That is, "freaks" or those who are a bit different or who come from a different background are penalized. This has to do with the Anglo-Saxon concept of "keeping up appearances" which is especially important in America. You must be able to flash a toothy smile; be calm, outwardly friendly, yet respect other people's personal space; and also follow the mainstream in music, clothes, etc.

One of the reasons why the Virginia Tech massacre occurred is because that kid was so ostracized from all the social cliques, due to being different (Asian, had an accent, probably had "unusual" non-sports-related interests). Of course, he was extremely disturbed, and that was the main reason. But the social aspect of non-conformity in America is also very serious.

I am willing to bet that had that kid been in Europe, Russia, or anywhere else, he actually would have made far more friends and social contacts than in America. America's image as "the land of diversity" actually belies its very xenophobic, cliquey nature. This is related to women and dating as well.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Not totally unheard of there star-traveller. I didn't get a chance to read it all, but when I was growing up in B.C. (Revelstoke -> http://www.revelstokecc.bc.ca/vacation/) we have a large Italian community and it was pretty common for the guys to go back to Italy to find a wife because Canadian women are much too liberal/westernized/uptight for them...

the real reason was that the canadian women weren't nearly hairy enough for the greasy ginos. so they went back to the home country in search of their own personal gorrilla in the mist

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp the real reason was that the canadian women weren't nearly hairy enough for the greasy ginos. so they went back to the home country in search of their own personal gorrilla in the mist

Funny, but harsh. Seems like you have a lot of love for Italy, must've had a good history with 'em ... But I love Italian women, I love Italian music (italo-disco and italo-house), I love Italian culture, food ... I think I was Italian in one of my past lives (if there's such thing as past lives). I would be very satisfied if I end up spending the bulk of my life with a beautiful Italian or Russian woman ;-)

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