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zokissima
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Registered: Dec 2004
Location: Toronto

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
can someone tell me what the fuck are we doing in Afghanistan spending millions of dollars (to this day i don't know why are we there) while the city doesnt even have enough money for its transit services. About 5 years ago i remember paying $1.50 to ride TTC


+1

As large of a budget-sucker as the TTC is, it is a critical piece of the city infrastructure. Making cutbacks can't be a good thing. How about a freeze on the sallaries of TTC workers for a couple of years...

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quote:
Originally posted by zokissima
How about a freeze on the sallaries of TTC workers for a couple of years...


HA...that will never happen...

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devnull
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quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1

(Now ill sit back and watch the Detroitification of Toronto continue)


so we are going to get more Techno???

j/k

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exstasie
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Location: Toronto/Sauga, Canada

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Originally posted by DigiNut
Not that any of this exonerates Miller, but the TTC is essentially half of Toronto's budget. If anyone needs to figure out how to do more with less, it's them.

Of course, Miller doesn't actually understand that, he was just dumping his own problems onto the TTC, just as he was trying to dump them onto the taxpayers before that.

Oh, and notice how there's no background, context, or opposing viewpoints presented in the article? Right, that's because it's the Star. Seriously... please don't post material from that rag.


Is this better for you?


quote:

Globe & Mail
City threatens to shut Sheppard subway
'We don't have the room to manoeuvre,' Miller says of Toronto's cash crunch; his critics decry the move as 'service-level Armageddon'
JENNIFER LEWINGTON AND JEFF GRAY

July 20, 2007

TORONTO -- A shutdown of the Sheppard subway, a 25-cent fare increase for transit riders and reduced hours for libraries and community centres lead a list of cuts threatened yesterday for Toronto residents.

The potential cuts, which could kick in within weeks, are fallout from the defeat, for now, of Mayor David Miller's proposal for $350-million in new taxes.

The mayor denied the threat of reduced services amounts to a scare tactic. "We don't have the room to manoeuvre any more," he said.

Yesterday's political theatre seems designed to send a message to balky city councillors about what's at stake on Oct. 22, when Mr. Miller's two new taxes come back for a definitive vote, and to all three provincial parties who will be mining voter support in Toronto in the Oct. 10 election.

Critics on council denounced Mr. Miller's explanation.

"The responsible approach is not to make daily announcements of service-level Armageddon," said Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong (Ward 34 Don Valley East), who had led the charge to put off a decision on the tax proposals until fall. "Rather there needs to be a responsible, organized and intelligent approach to examining the cutbacks that are a priority in this difficult time."

Others, including Councillors Case Ootes (Ward 29 Toronto-Danforth) and Brian Ashton (Ward 36 Scarborough Southwest), who both voted against Mr. Miller, called for an emergency council meeting to discuss the pending cuts.

The Toronto Transit Commission will hold an emergency meeting today to consider a request from the city to slash $30-million from its $1.1-billion budget this year.

On the table are a possible fare increase, the closing of the Sheppard subway next January, as well as the cancellation of 21 bus routes and a promised new service to ease commuter overcrowding.

"This is extremely traumatic," said TTC chairman Adam Giambrone, who compared the coming slash in spending with deep cuts at the transit agency in the 1990s. "... As chair of the TTC, this is one of the darkest days we've seen in transit in over a decade."

Mr. Giambrone, a close ally of the mayor, acknowledged that the scale of the potential cuts surprised him as well as senior TTC officials: "The number ... came as a shock, quite frankly," he said.

Meanwhile, other agencies and departments are under the gun to come up with their own significant savings, such as a ban on non-essential travel and a deeper hiring freeze (except for staff required under provincial legislation).

City manager Shirley Hoy is to meet today with heads of divisions to lay out the rules for making across-the-board cuts worth about $100-million by year end. City officials have authority to order a range of belt-tightening measures, she said, but only council can eliminate entire programs.

The $100-million in savings would be used to whittle down a budget shortfall of $575-million in 2008. Mr. Miller had assumed his new revenue measures, a new tax of up to 2 per cent on the purchase of a home and a $60 fee to register ownership of a motor vehicle, would generate about $350-million annually for the city.

Meanwhile, the Toronto Police Services Board has ordered a meeting next week to respond to the city's request to pare at least $10-million from its $785-million budget for 2007. City officials want all emergency services, police, fire and ambulance, to come up with "significant savings" worth a total of $30-million this year, board chairman Alok Mukherjee said.

"I know that we will have to make a very serious effort," he said. But he emphasized that the board is "absolutely committed" to maintaining the council-approved complement of 5,510 officers on the street.

Salaries and benefits account for 93 per cent of costs, leaving a fraction of the overall police budget from which to find immediate savings.

The sudden turn for the TTC, with an unprecedented increase in users and the promise of capital investment in light-rail services over the next decade, should not surprise anyone after council's vote this week, the mayor said.

"I was very clear," he told reporters, when asked to explain the TTC news. "I've been very clear for months.

"The city's financial position is unsustainable," he said. "Did we say this particular thing to the people of Toronto? No you're quite right, I didn't. But in very general terms, I laid out exactly the consequences."

One of the biggest pressures on city finances is the TTC, which accounts for 15 per cent of the city's $7.8-billion operating budget. Shutting the Sheppard subway, used by 40,000 people a day, would save $10-million in 2008, Mr. Giambrone said.

Shutting down the line would take until January, because its 140 unionized employees must be redeployed to replace other staff as they retire, Mr. Giambone said, adding that staff reductions would likely occur through attrition.

Bus service would replace the subway.

In effect, the TTC will be expected to manage in 2007 with the same level of subsidy, $272-million, that it received from the city this year, despite spiralling costs from more riders, rising fuel costs and automatic wage increases for unionized staff.


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WOW WOW and more WOW

Just watching CTV news.

So the Ontario finance minister proposed that the province wants to help by brining in some 3rd party experts to review the budget and look into how and where the money is being spent. He is pretty much also saying that it is a stupid idea to shut down the subway line.

WELL....Toronto doesn;t want that...they just want the provinces money..

Great fucking work!

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OOoOo the TTC can suck it I'll sit in my a/c german car that doesnt stink like B.O. i dont care how much i have to pay for gas / car repairs. atleast i know where my $$ is being spent when i get it fixed.


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Originally posted by djtransid
OOoOo the TTC can suck it I'll sit in my a/c german car that doesnt stink like B.O. i dont care how much i have to pay for gas / car repairs. atleast i know where my $$ is being spent when i get it fixed.


oh my ...i wish i had a German car like you.... you are soooooooo coool!
































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quote:
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OOoOo the TTC can suck it I'll sit in my a/c german car that doesnt stink like B.O. i dont care how much i have to pay for gas / car repairs. atleast i know where my $$ is being spent when i get it fixed.


I wouldn't drive anything that's not German...

German cars ftw!


PS. I like their proposed Idea of opening up at Casino in Toronto :P


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Originally posted by Cro_Addict
oh my ...i wish i had a German car like you.... you are soooooooo coool!



Yes I am, have fun paying 3$ to ride the crowded stinky TTC with the stained seats.


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quote:
Originally posted by exstasie
I wouldn't drive anything that's not German...

German cars ftw!


PS. I like their proposed Idea of opening up at Casino in Toronto :P


LIAR!

quote:

Thank goodness I drive my parents C-RV :P There's nothing to steal there..

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German cars do extra damage when you hit Jews.


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