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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Jesus, give me strength... 1. Why is it that people don't see the link between how music is written and how it is mixed? 2. There is much more to HM than that bloody wheel from Camelot, although Camelot themselves don't seem to want to realise this. 3. Some people also don't seem to appreciate that there are also some things that can go wrong if you mix keys in a certain way. Try a key drop when the crowd is going for it and you will see. It starts off quite subtle and do another and you will some interesting signs interms of body language from clubbers etc. Personally I don't give a flying f*ck if some of you do it or not. It's your choice, but if you are going to state that it's pointless then at least come with a decent arguement as to why you think so. Otherwise it's just sour grapes because you either can't be arsed or haven't quite been able to work it out. Other's also seem to believe that it limits creativty, you couldn't be more missinformed, if anything, at least in my experience it has done nothing but open up more creative opportunities for 3 deck plus mixing. HM is a must for that unless you are in the realms of minimal techno and even then you would still sound better if you knew why your mixes worked and why they didn't. Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Other's also seem to believe that it limits creativty, you couldn't be more missinformed, if anything, at least in my experience it has done nothing but open up more creative opportunities for 3 deck plus mixing. HM is a must for that unless you are in the realms of minimal techno and even then you would still sound better if you knew why your mixes worked and why they didn't. Nem

i agree with all of your post but this one...a bit. after plenty of music theory classes i feel that sticking totaly to theories is limiting. there are many composers out there, Hanz Zimmer for one who don't always write in accordance with the western theory.

being that DIng and writing are in very close connection i feel that this example should be take into consieration.

all in all, learn everything you can about how music works and why, this will make you a much better DJ. But, be free enough to break the "rules of music" and develop some of you own ideas of how music works.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 themselves don't seem to want to realise this. 3. Some people also don't seem to appreciate that there are also some things that can go wrong if you mix keys in a certain way. Try a key drop when the crowd is going for it and you will see. It starts off quite subtle and do another and you will some interesting signs interms of body language from clubbers etc.

key drop? u mean going down a key? would that lose energy or wat?

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Originally posted by theognis1002 key drop? u mean going down a key? would that lose energy or wat?

depends on the key. there are articals online that explain the link between certain keys and emotion. look it up.

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Originally posted by hooj1 i agree with all of your post but this one...a bit. after plenty of music theory classes i feel that sticking totaly to theories is limiting.

music has rules. some can be bent sure, others broken. but really, if people are unable to mix harmonically in the first place, they'll never learn which is which. keying your tracks is also useful if you're NOT going to mix in key, by letting you know the mix youre about to do should be a quick one.

as nem said, i think most DJs that dont mix harmonically are either too lazy to go back and key hundreds of tunes, or just cant manage it to begin with.

i mix in key mostly for ME. mixing uplifting trance out of key makes me cringe!

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Originally posted by hooj1 i agree with all of your post but this one...a bit. after plenty of music theory classes i feel that sticking totaly to theories is limiting. there are many composers out there, Hanz Zimmer for one who don't always write in accordance with the western theory.

Hans Zimmer is pretty awesome, but he also happens to write film scores especially for epic battle films set in other parts of the world so uses a lot of Arabic/Asian scales and so on.
That said, in a DJ set, the mixes are too far appart to get any appreciation of those types of changes so might not be appreciated in the right way.

Another thing that I believe in is that you have to know the rules in order to break them.

But your point is well made.

Cheers
Nem

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