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"Sometime ago I had the opportunity to meet William Cooper and his wife Annie. It was part of my job to verify whether this man did indeed speak the truth or was just another person seeking fame and fortune. What I found was a rugged, bulldog, driven individual who was kind, thoughtful and tenderhearted. He was truly concerned about you and your welfare. "Bill knew that people were badly informed by a society which spoon- feeds you deception until there is no distinction between fiction and reality. He sees what many other(s) see happening, and he is not afraid to do something about it. "There are many who do not want you to know what Bill has to say. They have tried many times to stop him from saying it. The scars on his face and the loss of his leg are his bandages of sincerity on your behalf. "No one becomes popular by telling people the truth. History records what happened to the true prophets of the past. However, some have listened to their warnings and were not caught off-guard. Others have put their heads in the sand and refused to listen. "Bill has it together, and has put it together for you so you can also be one of the informed of the world. A well informed person can make the right decision. William Cooper has my vote of approval because I cared enough to find out who the man is. Now is your opportunity." Here, then, is William Cooper's story ... http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/cooper.html

Difference is, these people were in positions to do something. Its all well and good copy and pasting inspiring quotes, but my point that you are no more repairing the fractured (inherently) political system than I am still stands.

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Originally posted by The Arbiter Difference is, these people were in positions to do something. Its all well and good copy and pasting inspiring quotes, but my point that you are no more repairing the fractured (inherently) political system than I am still stands.

Your point is entirely based on your own ignorance but you're apparently too stupid to figure that out.

What do you want me to do, Mr. pesteringly Inquisitive? Do you want me to give you and your organization a list of all my activities?

Sorry

And while it's people such as myself who are trying desperately to enact positive change, it's people like you who are apparently all too afraid (or too stupid) to embrace it and would rather just stand in the way.

Despite your apologies you are still hurting my feelings.

I know myself, I know Im not ignorant and I know Im right because of your unwillingness to engage and to pretend that preaching on a forum is worth anything. It only takes a logical outlook on your attitude to see that really, your the same as everyone else. Let it also be known it was you who brought in your outside activities to this little slagging match of ours, not myself and lack the balls to even explain what they are. Ofcourse that is your right, but bringing them into it then excercising said right is shooting yourself in the foot.

Also: Calling me stupid, over and over isnt working.

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Originally posted by The Arbiter Despite your apologies you are still hurting my feelings. I know myself, I know Im not ignorant and I know Im right because of your unwillingness to engage and to pretend that preaching on a forum is worth anything. It only takes a logical outlook on your attitude to see that really, your the same as everyone else. Let it also be known it was you who brought in your outside activities to this little slagging match of ours, not myself and lack the balls to even explain what they are. Ofcourse that is your right, but bringing them into it then excercising said right is shooting yourself in the foot. Also: Calling me stupid, over and over isnt working.

The fact is that I don't need to call you anything because you apparently refuse to actually do any research on this. And by research I mean really digging into this at a depth that goes way beyond your simple parroting of that tiny little, obfuscated picture that my government has painted for you.

My attitude at the moment has been brought out by all of you ignorant assholes who read a news headline and then think that they have any fucking clue as to what is really going on in this world when in fact you couldn'tpossibly be any further from the truth.

PS - I definitely wouldn't call you stupid if you had shown me that you were otherwise. I usually don't strike with ad hominems but in this case it's taking a tremendous amount of willpower to hold it back.

Your just talking shit now. This debate that appears to have derailed into several different threads, despite ending a while ago with my exposing you as a simple whiner, rather than somone actually doing something. I see whiners everyday mate. And while your 'desperately trying to enact positive change' goes about as far as a slug on a road of salt, people out there are doing real things, making websites, building documentaries and getting out there politically to do something about the current problem. Your whining on a forum, not doing something. Now quit wasting my time.

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Originally posted by The Arbiter Your just talking shit now. This debate that appears to have derailed into several different threads, despite ending a while ago with my exposing you as a simple whiner, rather than somone actually doing something. I see whiners everyday mate. And while your 'desperately trying to enact positive change' goes about as far as a slug on a road of salt, people out there are doing real things, making websites, building documentaries and getting out there politically to do something about the current problem. Your whining on a forum, not doing something. Now quit wasting my time.

You're just making baseless assumptions, though. That's really all that you're doing. Assumptions which are based more upon what you don't know as opposed to what you do know - especially in regards to whatever it is that you're saying about me (an anonymous internet poster whom you actually have no clue about.)

The main difference between us is that I don't like to open my mouth until I've formed a strong working grasp on whatever topic it is that I'm going to be opening it about. You're obviously all too content to hold on to some officially complicit government conspiracy theory that was created by a commission who's top members even acknowledged that it seemed designed to fail from the very start.

Your sense rating= .5 outof ten. You only get that because your speaking english.

You bring in all this bullshit for me to retort, like your life outside the forum for example, than expect me to say "Oh, okay. I lose because Im not allowed to talk about your obviously politically active life outside the forum."

Sorry mate, that aint happening. I'd also like to see you actually prove something before going and claiming I dont know anything. Your doing what all conspiracy theorists do when no-one believes them, spit the dummy out.

Have you ever wondered why everyone argues against you? After all, you have such conclusive proof?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X You're just making baseless assumptions, though. That's really all that you're doing. Assumptions which are based more upon what you don't know as opposed to what you do know - especially in regards to whatever it is that you're saying about me (an anonymous internet poster whom you actually have no clue about.)

this coming from the guy that likes to accuse me of being an operative of the FBI.

arbiter, he'll never get it mate. some people just have a desperate need to believe they are privy to secret or special information, that they alone can see the truth, and everyone else is just a "sheeple".

and you are right, he responds with nothing but movies and long-winded extracts from any and every source he can find, he doesnt vet them very well either. i am yet to see him actually debate much about the topics whatsoever. i have tried to pin him down on just one topic, and its the usual thing- moving the goalposts.

and it is seriously funny seeing him yet again making his derogatory, snide comments (hey, we're all guilty of that!) and thinking they are an exception to his normal behaviour, which is just not true.

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Originally posted by The Arbiter Your sense rating= .5 outof ten. You only get that because your speaking english. You bring in all this bullshit for me to retort, like your life outside the forum for example, than expect me to say "Oh, okay. I lose because Im not allowed to talk about your obviously politically active life outside the forum." Sorry mate, that aint happening. I'd also like to see you actually prove something before going and claiming I dont know anything. Your doing what all conspiracy theorists do when no-one believes them, spit the dummy out. Have you ever wondered why everyone argues against you? After all, you have such conclusive proof?

You all argue against me because you need to subconsciously make yourselves believe that I'm wrong.

The funny thing is, I got four PM's today telling me to keep it up - that a lot of people are behind me.

It's all just a matter of time before the whole thing gets cracked open because more and more people are becoming increasingly tired of the bully-style intimidation tactics that you all employ and are coming out in order to speak the truth.

So you now want me to prove to you that you don't know anytjhing about me? Are you being serious?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X It's all just a matter of time before the whole thing gets cracked open because more and more people are becoming increasingly tired of the bully-style intimidation tactics that you all employ and are coming out in order to speak the truth.

haha, he's like those apocalyptic christian types. any day now!

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Arf.

Yeah, I've noticed that he wont stick to one topic. I should probably just stop responding to him now. (part from the 9/11 thread, if he'll even continue to debate the issue at hand instead of making more snidy remarks.)

He says that we use bully tactics, then does nothing but personally attack us and attempt at discreditting us with ''Your stupid if you dont believe me!" remarks. I wonder who's really trying to bully who?

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