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Originally posted by erdega I agree with the first statement but there is no doubt that "Tyranny" is only used as an excuse and never clearly explained for a reason . Like "Democracy" which is another catchy word that is deliberatelly kept vague for it to mean anything for an aggressive super power. For example , I consider current regime in Washington to be tyrannical, it doesn't respect international, it constantly deceives abroad and at home, it breaks rules and even its own chapters in pursuit of its imperialist policies and funds various terrorist groups and dictators. Let's remember that democracy means rule of majority which is almost inherently against freedom and against personal property. It's all too easy to form majority under sophisticated media campaign which can turn tyrannical against other groups , individuals and personal property . US itself is presented as constitutional republic and not a democracy but alas there has been substantial attempt to "democratize" it and turn it more authoritarian by the globalist elite that wants to rule the world

God help the country that comes to democratize the US with a "coalition of the willing".

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Originally posted by erdega Saddam was just stupid to believe that America had any principles when they financed him in the 80's . It's better to be enemy of this America.

and you are the same falling for your pedo supporting jihads....

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Originally posted by Krypton God help the country that comes to democratize the US with a "coalition of the willing".

huh?

You'd think if Americans were serious about spreading democracy they'd go into Mexico first

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Originally posted by LazFX and you are the same falling for your pedo supporting jihads....

Ironic how a Serbian is accused of spreading jihad when America attacked Serbia to placate islamic world or more correctly Islamist al qaida types and they also attacked Iraq to replace secular rule replaced by islamic fundamentalism under american occupation.

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Originally posted by erdega ? Saddam's "Tyranny" never bothered me , why would it bother you? Of course it didn't bother you either just like current slaughter doesn't bother you even if it's on a much higher. But starting with botched invasion of Kuwait , everything was set up almost perfectly for invading and occupying Iraq for Oil, Israel and military industrial complex. Excuses for doing so were really pathetic but also supremely arrogant Saddam was just stupid to believe that America had any principles when they financed him in the 80's . It's better to be enemy of this America.

I stand for British value's not American. Insulting America in your flammatory posts are of no consequence to me.

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Under what authority does any country have to invade another country based on the notion that their ruler is a tyrant? As I recall in the UN Charter, invasion is authorized only because an aggressor state is actively attacking a victim state. The majority of Iraqis never wanted us there to begin with. The reasons given by the Bush Administration to go there are false, and the notion that we are there to spread freedom is just an excuse for the failure of even allowing our country to do such a stupid thing as deposing sovereign leaders because they are "tyrannical".

That and WMD's. Fine, they didnt exist. But it would've helped if Saddam didnt publicly claim he was indirectly trying to aquire them. Outof every country Iraq was considered the largest threat to national security of all western countries and when they claim all kinds of shit you tend to get over-paranoid. Mistakes are always made by everyone and we made a mistake but Saddam poured fuel on the fire by acting like he had them.

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You are talking about Bush appointed general that all he does is rationalize so called "surge", eventually he will try to rationalize "withdrawal" . All he does is try to improve domestic situation regardless of what's happening in Iraq as American people are understandably sick and worried over this war. Actually american media has significantly and intentionally cut down Iraqi coverage and all that people see now is optimistic statements from Bush people.

Atleast it's a souce to cite. What have you got? Nothing, but anti-western bullshit. Go away.

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Originally posted by The Arbiter I stand for British value's not American. Insulting America in your flammatory posts are of no consequence to me. That and WMD's. Fine, they didnt exist. But it would've helped if Saddam didnt publicly claim he was indirectly trying to aquire them. Outof every country Iraq was considered the largest threat to national security of all western countries and when they claim all kinds of shit you tend to get over-paranoid. Mistakes are always made by everyone and we made a mistake but Saddam poured fuel on the fire by acting like he had them. Atleast it's a souce to cite. What have you got? Nothing, but anti-western bullshit. Go away.

Prearranged political statements are not sources I take seriously
What have I got?
I watch Iraqi videos
http://clearinghouse.infovlad.net/forumdisplay.php?f=2

As for Saddam , he never threatened me, he never attacked anyone outside his region and certainly was no threat . There is no basis for saying otherwise. There is only one country that routinelly attack other states anytime, anywhere for any reason or no reason at all and it's USA in concert with UK and their so called allies.

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Originally posted by erdega Prearranged political statements are not sources I take seriously What have I got? I watch Iraqi videos http://clearinghouse.infovlad.net/forumdisplay.php?f=2 As for Saddam , he never threatened me, he never attacked anyone outside his region and certainly was no threat . There is no basis for saying otherwise. There is only one country that routinelly attack other states anytime, anywhere for any reason or no reason at all and it's USA in concert with UK and their so called allies.

General Petreus recently reported to congress stating that his report was his and his alone. His opinion is not guided by the White House and unless you can prove it is stop making out it is a 'Pre-arranged'political statement. I have no patience for baseless arguments so you need to start adding some substance.

You wil have to describe what is happening in this video as I am using a public PC that blocks streaming media/some forum's, including that one.

Saddam constantly ignored international law and consistantly threatened other countries. The invasion was to end is threat, not to be a direct retaliation for anything he has done.

Simply saying "Im right, your wrong! My beliefs are correct and you are just an oppressor!" Is not a winning argument.

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Saddam's regime was no threat to me unlike say US aided by Blair's Britain which has been on an imperialistic hyper drive for a last decade or so . Fortunatelly they will meet their beginning of the end in Iraq but they will lose in the balkans too and maybe then we will see emergence of responsible leadership that doesn't threaten defenseless and innocent people and promotes terrorism as a matter of policy while ironically claiming to fight it . For now US/UK are maximalist in their drive and demands but it will likely mean just a maximalist defeat of their policies in the end.

And on the note of another copy & pasted post of anti-western subjective bullshit, I leave the thread waving the banner of victory over Erdega.

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Originally posted by erdega I am glad you mention the balkans, I don't know if it's intentional as I am serbian canadian. I will say this, American imperialists and their servants and allies definitelly got away with murder and robbery there on multiple occasions, they did it to supposedly placate muslims around the world and destroy any semblance of international law. No doubt , balkan wars that were orchestrated from washington enboldened their protagonists to try it on a global scale but they are just learning that they chewed too much . All the latest hurrah about "Iraqi surge" and "kosovo independence" are signs of a desperate and out of touch fading power. Balkan wars suited well military industrial/israel lobby that rules washington. Thus, American attempts to destroy serbia and iraq are inseparable and should be viewed in the same light. I will also say that all the major protagonists of wars on serbia are the same as tagainst iraq. But alas none of it bore any results for the protagonists, US and europe have been attacked by muslim militants like never before, america is entangled in losing wars and all international organizations that could come into this situation have lost credibility and are almost dead meat for all intents and purposes

Why would the west bother? What are you talking about? It cost us A LOT of money to help there.

A Serb is talking about murderous governments? Make sense not rhetoric. Explain source and define your claims:

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they did it to supposedly placate muslims around the world and destroy any semblance of international law

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balkan wars that were orchestrated from washington enboldened their protagonists to try it on a global scale

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American attempts to destroy serbia and iraq are inseparable and should be viewed in the same light.

(who exactly is wanted at the Hague?)

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Originally posted by Dervish Why would the west bother? What are you talking about? It cost us A LOT of money to help there.

These wars are good for business, initially at least, for military/idustrial/media complex.

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Originally posted by Dervish A Serb is talking about murderous governments? Make sense not rhetoric. Explain source and define your claims:

Yes, I am talking about it as we only defended our selves against both islamic fundamentalists and neo imperialists. But to have a Brit talk about fighting islamic fundamentalism after their government supported it and they even invaded Iraq to replace a secular regime with a hard core islamic one is typically illogical.

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Originally posted by Dervish (who exactly is wanted at the Hague?)

Hague?
A political court funded by US/UK governments for political show trials . We won't see any real trials there but citizens in US/UK are bound to suffer for their governments transgressions and for allowing Clinton/Bush/Blair and their followers to walk away and profit from their wars of choice .

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Originally posted by The Arbiter And on the note of another copy & pasted post of anti-western subjective bullshit, I leave the thread waving the banner of victory over Erdega.

Well you sounded like a spokesperson from Downing street so I say good bye