it all comes down to how you drive it. If you abuse the car like an idiot, of course you'll be puttin' money in it. Any used car will break, because they're used, it all cuts down to how much care was put into them before you buy it.

Re: Mitsubishi; oh boy, good brand for me as long as you take care of the ride. I've owned a 98 Eclipse TSI and it was dirty; I can say that one of the best cars I've owned. Expensive as hell to fix though, TSIs especially; everything is so packed up in the engine bay, you gotta take a lot of things off before you get to the part you wanna fix. Doing so just increases the risk of having problems later is attention to detail isn't there. and of course with the TSI, there are problems with the differential which run expensive to fix + there's a bigger load on the engine when you have AWD.

Today, I drive a '98 Ford and it's been the best car so far. No repairs since I had the ownership, just regular maintenance, rust proofed it, good and RELIABLE daily driver despite it's reputation. It's rolling in 200k, I expect to drive it to 300K or more until it can't be driven anymore; and when that time comes, I'd probably have enough money to buy a brand new car.

Re: European cars; repairs are expensive, labour is too; why? well if you can afford to buy one of them it only means that you have money (in the eye of the dealer or mechanics; so rip off away).
In my experience: VWs is prone to tranny problems (most of the older ones) and their differentials go bad too fast. O2 sensors are also problematic with them.

Audi: fucken love every single Audi model except A3; I had an A4 and loved that beast. AWD obviously takes a bit more gas but the experience is all it counts. Problems, some engines may only eat high grade gas, maintenance, if you don't do it yourself, is way too overpriced, and I heard rare cases of electrical problems (but those were related to idiots who don't know cars)

Get a Saab ONLY if you can afford to fix it for a bit in the case you get a rotten ride.

Good luck with whatever you choose to buy.

edit: and 95 YJ Renegates, oh ho ho, fun in the mud but not to great for a daily driver. No problems with them except of those related to suspension and power transfer to the wheels, if you take it off-road.

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Originally posted by mezzir see some people told me a mazda would be reliable LOL wrong opinions on a sebring? ninja: also the place i already bring my car for shit specialized in foreign shit (saab VW etc)

Mazda is, for the most part, a ford. VW and Audi quality has diminished over the years. BMW is on the rise since a downslide in quality since the late 90s. Honda/Acura is great as far as reliability, personally I'd go for a toyota since parts tend to be cheaper. Mercedes has gone to hell since daimler-chrysler got involved.

Something to consider... Even though everyone says get a japanese/korean car, the car will break down less often yes, but will cost you more. I had a 96 honda civic with a one-piece catalytic converter/exhaust manifold that could not be purchased generic. From honda, $600+. For my friends 94 camar, $150 installed.

You'll wind up paying one way or the other, so get something you are happy with. If not being stuck on the side of the road is a priority, get a toyota.

i own two saab 9-3s, first one is a 2002 SE standard, second is 2005 arc auto

as far as reliability goes, prior to the 2005 9-3 i had a 2003, thats when the new style 9-3s came out, and that car was a lemon, had serious tranny problems tons of headaches, and eventually a deal had to be made with GM, and the car was replaced with a 2005 model and the lease was extended

the 2005 model has been really reliable so far, just minor fixes, like a burned out headlight things of that nature, has around 70k on it and the car is driven a lot

the 2002 model was a recent acquisition, had about 98k on it when it was bought, initially it had some issues with a miss-fire, but it was under warranty and easily fixed, so far its been running great

if you're considering getting a saab, keep in mind that its not like your typical jap or domestic car, they are european cars and need to be maintained, ALWAYS ask for maintinance and service records before buying, try and see what kind of driver had it before you...if they're well maintained they can last a long time

i hate when people say, buy a jap car if you want reliability, personally i feel that saabs require more care and attention, but you get so much more in return then you do with a jap or domestic...more style, more character, more fun to drive, so i guess it up to you and the budget you are willing to work under..

i'll sell you one of my mustangs. $3800

it was smacked in the rear a bit, but still works perfectly. new paint, int, rebuilt motor and trans with 30k on them. i get 19 mpg city, 21+ highway. no a/c though, but the heater will melt your face.

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Originally posted by Fibonacci VW and Audi quality has diminished over the years.

they're picking the pace up, at least they seem like doing so for Audi. not that I had any problems, but post 04 models are built tougher and they make them better every year, I just don't like the increased displacement for their engines; it would be great if they would make performance cars in partnership with cosworth.

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Originally posted by enferno i'll sell you one of my mustangs. $3800 it was smacked in the rear a bit, but still works perfectly. new paint, int, rebuilt motor and trans with 30k on them. i get 19 mpg city, 21+ highway. no a/c though, but the heater will melt your face.

black '89 GT couple?

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Originally posted by jeeper_095 black '89 GT couple?

'66 A code coupe.

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Originally posted by Fibonacci Mazda is, for the most part, a ford. VW and Audi quality has diminished over the years.

you must have forgotten the nightmare that was Audi in the 80's and 90's. you dont see many of them on the street if any. so i'd say Audi has improved by leaps and bounds from years before.

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Ok, I know this is going to sound like a dumb question, but I am not too knowledgeable when it comes to what kind of nationality a car is.

So can someone please provide a list of cars that are American (which apparently are crap,) and Japanese (apparently better cars,) so that I can look for a specific type?

American= Chevy/GM, Ford, Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge
Japs=Toyota/Lexus/Scion, Nissan/Infiniti, Honda/Acura, Suzuki, Mazda(to some point)
Korea=Kia, Hyundai

Korean cars have improved in quality over the years and are almost equal to Jap cars these days. plus you cant beat the warranty

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Originally posted by mezzir i'm in the market, as it were current car's a fucking shitbox and doesn't go a month without something going wrong, and i'm ready to throw in the towel with it been looking at 95-96 saab 90 convertibles, anyone got personal experience with the cars? and for the record, these are the two i've found: the '96 , and the '95 also found a '99 sebring on craigslist for a decent price, but the more i think about it, i've driven a saab 90 before and liked it. idk opinions?

dont get a sebring

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Originally posted by nchs09 dont get a sebring

hah yeah
it was tempting for a cheap-to-fix convertible, but all my attention's shifted towards the saab

lol my mom couldn't think of what a sebring looked like and i was like 'if you go to rent a car and want a convertible, they give you a sebring' and she knew exactly what i was talking about. lol thats almost the only time you seem then on the road in the states it seems

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