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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery You need to pop a few pills to truely experience it.

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Originally posted by SouLFir3 I am glad you took time out of your busy day, of calling everyone else around you and idiot, to call me an idiot.

But I didn't call you an idiot. That question was an example of ignorance, not idiocy. An ignorant person is somebody who just doesn't know. An idiot is somebody who doesn't know and is also perfectly content to remain ignorant. You obviously care about knowing, so you're not an idiot.

Sorry to make an example, but that looked like a perfect instance of the mistaken and surprisingly widespread idea that DJs are actually creating the music they play, "live," in the same way that a guitarist or pianist is. And it's an idea that really needs to be stamped out, so I'm actually glad you asked about it rather than continuing on thinking the wrong thing.

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Originally posted by Ted Promo You are going to need at least three Pioneer CDJ 1000's and an Allen & Heath Xone V6 mixer to create jooptoons. I've been in the industry for years and I know almost every sound he created was only possible with this equipment. drugs

Thank You all for your posts!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles But I didn't call you an idiot. That question was an example of ignorance, not idiocy. An ignorant person is somebody who just doesn't know. An idiot is somebody who doesn't know and is also perfectly content to remain ignorant. You obviously care about knowing, so you're not an idiot. Sorry to make an example, but that looked like a perfect instance of the mistaken and surprisingly widespread idea that DJs are actually creating the music they play, "live," in the same way that a guitarist or pianist is. And it's an idea that really needs to be stamped out, so I'm actually glad you asked about it rather than continuing on thinking the wrong thing.

Thank You for explaining yourself. It is very easy to misunderstand people in forums due to the fact that puctuation can only convey so much information about what posters are trying to get accross.

This is one of those instances I thought you were trying to flame me or somting and I was a lil drunk so I got angry when I saw your post.

I am completely aware that DJ's operate that way and I should have been more clear when I started to post.

I was just trying to get more information on DJ Joop/Leon Bolier and perhaps some tips on creating my own music. This style of trance whatever it is (please someone give it a name) is somthing I am very interested in starting to make myself and wanted some pointers and resources to get started. You all have proved very useful in my quest and I applaud you for it! Thanks Again everyone.

Currently I have been using music studio programs (i.e. fruity loops/acid pro etc) and it's proving to be a very long and painstaking process.I don't want to have to torrent 60 different sound effects that I may use one time. I would like to purchase the equipment needed to "play" the music myself. I think I can put more feeling into it. I could sync up a KORG or other MIDI keyboard to some CDJ's and a good mixer BUT that will not do any good if I can't USE the equipment properly. I don't want to go out and spend $6000 on shit I don't know how to use AND not be able to create these sounds.

So I am looking at :
3x CDJ's $3000
1x Mixer $4800
perhaps a synthesizer as well? any reccomendations?

Not looking to exceed $10,000.00 (actually I don't have this kind of money but it's good to know this info)

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I'm not entirely sure you're for real, but anyway.

You say you have fruity loops. Learn how to use it. You don't need 60 effects to make it work, you need experience and talent. Purchasing gear for reasons you cannot come up with is not a good idea. If you'd just start to actually make music, you will learn to understand the pro's and cons of different tools. There is no shortcut to the long and painstaking process. Look at it from the brightside; you don't have to spend 10 000 dollar. Just a fruity loops licence will do for a long time.

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Originally posted by Pjotr G I'm not entirely sure you're for real, but anyway. You say you have fruity loops. Learn how to use it. You don't need 60 effects to make it work, you need experience and talent. Purchasing gear for reasons you cannot come up with is not a good idea. If you'd just start to actually make music, you will learn to understand the pro's and cons of different tools. There is no shortcut to the long and painstaking process. Look at it from the brightside; you don't have to spend 10 000 dollar. Just a fruity loops licence will do for a long time.

Are there any online resources besides the included documentation with tutorials or perhaps a...forum in which I could use. Hold up on answering that last part. I think I just answered my own question.

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Originally posted by SouLFir3 I could sync up a KORG or other MIDI keyboard to some CDJ's and a good mixer BUT that will not do any good if I can't USE the equipment properly.

I'm not sure what it is that you're trying to do. Do you want to sync the tempo of FL Studio to CDJs so that you can use plugins and sequences from FL while you have other tracks playing, or what? You don't need CDJs or turntables to make music or to do a live electronic act. If you want to perform live, buying a hardware synth could be useful, both from a reliability standpoint and just for the "presence" (people generally want to see something more than a PC up there), but a hardware synth isn't required to make good music.

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Originally posted by SouLFir3 So I am looking at : 3x CDJ's $3000 1x Mixer $4800

remember to do rush delivery, otherwise this very precious production equipment could get damaged. Don't skimp on shipping, I say.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I'm not sure what it is that you're trying to do. Do you want to sync the tempo of FL Studio to CDJs so that you can use plugins and sequences from FL while you have other tracks playing, or what? You don't need CDJs or turntables to make music or to do a live electronic act. If you want to perform live, buying a hardware synth could be useful, both from a reliability standpoint and just for the "presence" (people generally want to see something more than a PC up there), but a hardware synth isn't required to make good music.

What I am trying to do at this point since all of my other questions have been answered is just make music with similar styling and undertones to DJ Joop. All that equipment I was talking about earlier is just a "wishlist" of things that I will be getting in the future(far far future).

I am 24 years old. I can play the piano. I have never touched a turntable although When I go to the clubs I usually stand as close to the DJ as possible so I can see what he's doing.

I can beatmatch ok, I need practice. Mainly I just want to "create" the sounds at this point so I can put them on CD and "spin" them later.

I am going to be making this music purely for my own appreciation not to spin at parties or get a record deal or anything like that. Purely pleasure. The quick explanation would be that I would like to create music that causes that 'E' flashback for most of the song.

My philosophy as of late is : If music can make you feel happy or sad or energetic, why can't it make you feel high, without the obvious combination of MDMA in the equation? For years scientists have been researching effects of sound waves on the human body, some good, some bad. Some of these tests have proven rather interesting, others, not so much(i.e. brown noise)

I am completely confident that these elusive frequencies exist and I would like to start my own "experiment". Since every person is different, things like music will effect them in different ways. My "experiment" will purely be for my interpretations. Does anyone else agree with me here?

Do you think that with the right type of music one could remove the drug aspect of the equation and still achieve the same mental/physical state?

Any input good ~or~ bad will be appreciated.

besides fruity loops and acid pro what are some other PC programs I could use to get started?

Will I need to find additional content for sound effects or will FL be sufficient for a beginner?

Also, should I be posting in a different forum for these questions?

Here is another topic of discussion...What got you hooked on trance? Yes drugs is and acceptable answer but a deeper response would probably be more productive for all of us.

Apologies for the length of my posts. Once I get going it's hard to stop...

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Originally posted by SouLFir3 Do you think that with the right type of music one could remove the drug aspect of the equation and still achieve the same mental/physical state?

Not as reliably as you can with the actual drug, since everybody responds to different music in different ways. It isn't just about a general biological effect of frequencies on body chemistry...

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besides fruity loops and acid pro what are some other PC programs I could use to get started?

Reason, Cubase, Ableton Live. For softsynths: GMedia impOSCar, Native Instruments, z3ta+. Just go here and start clicking:

http://www.kvraudio.com/

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Will I need to find additional content for sound effects or will FL be sufficient for a beginner?

FL is fine.

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Also, should I be posting in a different forum for these questions?

Yes: the Production forum.

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Here is another topic of discussion...What got you hooked on trance?

It put me in a trance, and that's enjoyable. Also, I like the weird sounds.

I don't know what these people are talking about. What you need to do is get those CDJ1000 MK3's, and that Xone V6 (you'll get the best production quality since that mixer uses valves and tubing which connects you to the internet). Once you get that, you simply load a Reason disc (or Fruity Loops, or Logic, or whichever), into one of the CDJ's, and you can produce from there. That's how Joop did it, I remember asking him a while back.

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Originally posted by Ted Promo I don't know what these people are talking about. What you need to do is get those CDJ1000 MK3's, and that Xone V6 (you'll get the best production quality since that mixer uses valves and tubing which connects you to the internet). Once you get that, you simply load a Reason disc (or Fruity Loops, or Logic, or whichever), into one of the CDJ's, and you can produce from there. That's how Joop did it, I remember asking him a while back.

that's funny, but don't mess with the poor guy's head even further.

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Originally posted by noikeee that's funny, but don't mess with the poor guy's head even further.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Please, get the stuff I mentioned, and take pics once you've gotten it. I love seeing people's new production gear.