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Originally posted by hardcore trancer lol ya he is coming to kill all the jews. Dont forget how many jewish people live in Iran as we speak.

Yea, the ones that also deny the holocaust...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z How you found that amusing is beyond me though...

its the Mexican dirt,

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posted by sunsnailthat was quick

Hey, when you have no logical intellectual argument to speak of, all you can do is generalize and slander. Which isn't even an argument in the first place. Way to go chrles

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Originally posted by CHRles It comes down to this - the same people on this board that defend Iran are the same people who would have defended Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. I love how the terrorist supporters on this board always bash the US yet conveniently leave out many details about the countries they're defending. Oh yes, things are just so great in Iran, honky dory, heavenly even. Everyone is free to roam the streets wearing what they want, thinking what they want, and...oh wait a minute! That's America!!! It's not like Iran has been plotting to get its hands on nuclear weapons for years and years now, right? They just started this process recently when America came to kick the shit out of Sadam right? Oh no, I'm wrong again - the Iranians have been after nuclear weapons for ages now. They have been calling America the great big devil ever since their pathetically backwards "revolution" began in the 70s. Yeah, let's stand by and do nothing while Iran "peacefully" obtains nuclear power

Your illusion is in the fact that you refuse to accept that the reason we have a hostile Iranian regime is from decades of western interference in their country. Iraq too. Read the fucking history books. Britain sqelched Iraq during World War I AND II. In 1901, Britian monopolized Iranian oil for 60 years under the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (now called BP). Iran was invaded in World War II by Russia and UK. Additional Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was ELECTED prime minister of Iran, and was enormously popular. But, lo and behold, he nationalized Iranian oil, which to the oil hungry multinational corps, just wouldn't fly. So the UK and US branded him a communist and ousted the POPULARLY ELECTED PRIME MINISTER OF IRAN!!

What's my point in saying all this? It is that the revolutionary islamic republic, and this islamic terrorism, is a product of the west's own making. Islamic terrorism and the islamic republic are a reaction to the policies of the west. You have to realize there are consequences for every action. Foreign interventionism is NOT GOOD. Get it thru' ur freakin head.

I'm not a terrorist supporter or Hitler lover. But I'm not surprised you have to stoop to that level. Unless you can debate my points with counter-arguments, you can't say shit but that we're all terrorist lovers. Reaaaaal coool.

Their revolution is their response to our interference in Iran. I already know you havn't even examined the history of it, so let me educate you. Iran's first nuclear program was helped by who? THE WEST. Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was supported and helped immensely by the US and UK. Mr Pahlavi took it upon himself to set out to destroy all opposition against him. You can HARDLY call that democratic. He was the largest buyer of american weapons in the region back in the 1970's. Now you want to call the iranian revolution pathetic because the people chose to get rid of their western supported oppressor? Do me a favor, and read the damn history books, before you come on and make yourself look like an ass

Iran has a right to defend itself. Iran has a right to national sovereignty. What you want is to continue the interference of their sovereignty. Where were you when North Korea tested their first nuclear weapon? Huh? NOWHERE. Niether was Bush or any of his cronies. Why? Because what resources does NK have that we want? NONE. What does Iran and Iraq have? Hmmmm, let me just guess. OIL. The straight of Hormuz.

Look at it from Iran's point of view. They have two massive super-carriers sitting off their coast in the persian gulf, one specifically there to intimidate them. They have the american army in two of their neighbors, on opposite sides of their border. Our rhetoric is just as hawkish as theirs. And rhetoric does nothing but spawn more rhetoric. We are not negociating or talking with them. We're just waving our swords around...

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Iran is more then just in the axis of evil - it is the center of it.

Again, the Iran defenders and the terrorist supporters on this board try to discredit what I'm saying by ignoring the facts.
Bush called Iran part of the axis of evil long after Iran started it hate-affair with America. So don't give me the whole Iran was upset at Bush spiel.

And people Iran aren't free to wear what they want, and have to be careful as far as what they say in public. This is especially true for women.

Anyone who tells you differently is lying to themselves.

Oh yeah, and I know my history very well thank you. As I've already stated in the past, the so-called popularly elect Iranian PM of the past was someone to compare to Hugo Chavez. Just like Chavez this individual constantly flamed Britain and America.
This was after World War II and the West back then reacted much quicker then it does now. It eliminated him, and rightfully so. Too bad they take their time these days with keeping people like Ahmedanicrap and Chavez alive.

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Originally posted by CHRles And people Iran aren't free to wear what they want, and have to be careful as far as what they say in public. This is especially true for women.

Iranian society is far more progressive than Saudi Arabia, or for that matter, Egypt. They have rock bands there for crying out loud. Stop regurgitating what you've been told. If there's a case for an attack against Iran, make it. Don't just try and feed us a "paint-by-numbers" picture of the Middle East because most people on this forum are far too well-versed to simply accept what you say as truth because you say so and because you will label anyone who disagrees as stupid or evil.

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Originally posted by CHRles Oh yeah, and I know my history very well thank you. As I've already stated in the past, the so-called popularly elect Iranian PM of the past was someone to compare to Hugo Chavez. Just like Chavez this individual constantly flamed Britain and America. This was after World War II and the West back then reacted much quicker then it does now. It eliminated him, and rightfully so. Too bad they take their time these days with keeping people like Ahmedanicrap and Chavez alive.

Are you making an argument for:

A. Political Assassination?

or

B. War against Venezuelia?



Because I can't even begin to explain to a hawk like you how horribly awful those ideas are. Have you ever in your life sat back and wondered why it is that there are people in the rest of the world that hate America? Do you think that every single one of their reasons is invalid simply by blind faith in the imperviousness of American perfection? C'mon, you are advocating for the assassination of democratically-elected heads of state, and then decrying the fact that they call the US evil? Talk about hypocrisy. If Ahmadinejad said so much as one word about killing Bush, you'd bomb his entire country. The 'holier-than-thou' attitude among Americans is the most dangerous threat to our own security because the rest of the world (and many Americans too) are so goddamn sick of it and don't want to tolerate it anymore.

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Originally posted by CHRles Iran is more then just in the axis of evil - it is the center of it. Again, the Iran defenders and the terrorist supporters on this board try to discredit what I'm saying by ignoring the facts. Bush called Iran part of the axis of evil long after Iran started it hate-affair with America. So don't give me the whole Iran was upset at Bush spiel. And people Iran aren't free to wear what they want, and have to be careful as far as what they say in public. This is especially true for women. Anyone who tells you differently is lying to themselves. Oh yeah, and I know my history very well thank you. As I've already stated in the past, the so-called popularly elect Iranian PM of the past was someone to compare to Hugo Chavez. Just like Chavez this individual constantly flamed Britain and America. This was after World War II and the West back then reacted much quicker then it does now. It eliminated him, and rightfully so. Too bad they take their time these days with keeping people like Ahmedanicrap and Chavez alive.

You ignore the facts of the history lesson I just gave you. This is the reason why we have a very hostile Iranian regime. There is no such thing as an axis of evil. My friend, Germany, Italy, and Japan were an axis. Iran, NK, and Iraq by no means had set up an alliance or axis. This term was created by Bush to push his neocon, pre emptive warfare doctrine on the people. To identify the supposed enemy we are supposed to fight. Pearl Harbor was an unprovoked attack, and we responded in kind. What the fuck did Saddam do to us? NOTHING. There in lyes the falsity of the Iraq War and its fraud. If the war was so noble and morally correct, the american people would unanimously support it, such as in wwi, wwii, the first gulf war, etc. THank god this country is waking up to the fraud of the Bush admin and his doctrine of invading sovereign countrys.

It doesn't matter what the social policies of the Iranian people are. Does that give you the right to go in there, invade the country, for womens rights? You are insane. And with that doctrine, if it were carried out, would plunge this world into a dark dark age. The doctrine of national sovereignty gives a country the right to develop its own culture the way its wants. Not by what the US or anyone else thinks. The Iranian people will fight for their rights. Not the US. And really, this excuse of, "we're over there to give them freedom" is a front to the banks attempt to take over non-aligned economies, specifically those economys which are heavily nationalized, such as that of Iran, NK, and formerly Iraq. Your argument for Iranian rights is a farce. It's none of your DAMN BUSINESS!!! Its' the Iranians problem. Stay the fuck out of it!!!

You play into the division of our country. This Red vs. blue, us against them. The real problem is the banks that control our country. They want to control the world, and are well on their way to doing it. No wonder we are trying to convert non-aligned countries into submission to the global banking empire. Wake the fuck up, and stop this bullshit. We are never going to leave Iraq, we are going to continue this empire building until someone comes to shake us out of our idiocy and save us from slavery. Income taxes, interest, and inflation...

And, you don't know shit about history, because you keep fronting these arguments that Iran is our enemy because they hate us. You have obviously never examined WHY THEY HATE US...Go do your research Watch freedom to fascism, the link I posted.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Are you making an argument for: A. Political Assassination? or B. War against Iran?

Both

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Originally posted by Krypton You ignore the facts of the history lesson I just gave you. This is the reason why we have a very hostile Iranian regime. There is no such thing as an axis of evil. My friend, Germany, Italy, and Japan were an axis. Iran, NK, and Iraq by no means had set up an alliance or axis. This term was created by Bush to push his neocon, pre emptive warfare doctrine on the people. To identify the supposed enemy we are supposed to fight. Pearl Harbor was an unprovoked attack, and we responded in kind. What the fuck did Saddam do to us? NOTHING. There in lyes the falsity of the Iraq War and its fraud. If the war was so noble and morally correct, the american people would unanimously support it, such as in wwi, wwii, the first gulf war, etc.

The American people prior to Japan's attacks on Pearl Harbor were split on whether or not to join the war. The war could have ended sooner if America had stepped up to the plate sooner rather then wait for Japan to make its move.
BTW, I have no sorrow for America using nuclear weapons against Japan in world war II - any country that supported the Nazis as strongly as they did, and that dared to attack America, deserves whatever's coming to them.
Let that be a lesson to Iran not to fuck with America, and let that be a lesson to all of you terrorist lovers to either leave America (where you all post from, not Iran) or stop defending anti-American countries.

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Originally posted by CHRles The American people prior to Japan's attacks on Pearl Harbor were split on whether or not to join the war. The war could have ended sooner if America had stepped up to the plate sooner rather then wait for Japan to make its move. BTW, I have no sorrow for America using nuclear weapons against Japan in world war II - any country that supported the Nazis as strongly as they did, and that dared to attack America, deserves whatever's coming to them. Let that be a lesson to Iran not to fuck with America, and let that be a lesson to all of you terrorist lovers to either leave America (where you all post from, not Iran) or stop defending anti-American countries.

LOL!!!

Without a Japanese attack, there would be no justification for war on Japan. DUH. You want attack other country's just because you THINK they might attack you. Well, lets apply that rationale to individuals. What if you could be arrested for something you MIGHT do, but havn't done. That my friend, is a police state, and that is where we are heading. And its brain washed little fucks like you are going to be supporting it, in the interest of what? NATIONAL SECURITY. That is the excuse every totaliterian regime has ever used to justify its power. We must arrest everyone because they are threat to national security. That is your argument. You say Iran needs to be destroyed because they are threat to our national security. Well, Iran can't reach us, so what the fuck are you talking about?

I never made any argument against nuclear weapons being dropped on Japan, so I have no clue where you are going with that one. I guess all you can really do is detract from my refutes, because you never even answered when I said the axis of evil is a notion invented by the bush admin to make out who the enemy supposedly is, when in fact, there was no axis between NK, Iran or Iraq.

Your lesson is an ABJECT FAILURE. The lesson you should really be making out is for America to stop fucking with Iran, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. How would you like it if the USA were not all-powerful, and we had foreign countrys occupying us because they didn't like our leader. Dude, I'de take my AK-47, put a scope on it, and start sniping those occupiers out of my neighborhood. Think about reality dude. You can't just waltz into other people's territory in the interest of your own power. That is empire building, no matter what excuse they propagate to the people. And obviously, what Bush admin has propagated to the american people has been known to be a lie, but you've been indoctrinated to be a loyal republican right, so whatever they say, you believe. Trully is sad. What about liberty? What about the freedom to think for oneself? If other country's want totaliterianism, let them have it, just as long as they don't hurt other country's. It is not our job to force democracy on other countrys.

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Dude, you currently live in Tampa. I lived there myself for 4 years, graduated from USF. While I was there, we had a professor called Sami Al Arian. People were suspicious of him having ties to terrorist activities. He claimed he was innocent, and of course terrorist lovers were out and about to support him...until it was discovered he was not only linked to a terrorist organization, but was actually at the head of a terrorist cell.
Look it up if you're too ignorant to know this. While you're at it, look up how many things Iran is suspected of being involved in.

Fuckin terrorist lovers and the crap they write. Even telling people that Osama Bin Laden can't take away your freedom. Tell that to the people who lost their loved ones in NYC and DC, and travelling on those flights.

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Originally posted by CHRles The American people prior to Japan's attacks on Pearl Harbor were split on whether or not to join the war. The war could have ended sooner if America had stepped up to the plate sooner rather then wait for Japan to make its move. BTW, I have no sorrow for America using nuclear weapons against Japan in world war II - any country that supported the Nazis as strongly as they did, and that dared to attack America, deserves whatever's coming to them. Let that be a lesson to Iran not to fuck with America, and let that be a lesson to all of you terrorist lovers to either leave America (where you all post from, not Iran) or stop defending anti-American countries.

you just lose all your fuckin credibility by those comments.

so tell me are you one of those idiots who has the Bush & Cheney stickers all over your trailer?

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