The Mac Pro is a fine computer. Macs are well-made and have excellent software if you're into media production. If you like Macs, or if you like Logic enough to justify buying a Mac for that sole reason, and you don't mind shelling out at least 50% more coin than you would for an equivalent PC (performance-wise), then by all means, go and get one. Just understand that Apple's marketing, like any marketing, is pretty much bullshit, and that Macs do not "just work" to any greater extent than a PC running Windows XP.

Most Mac fanboys think that Windows users are still living in the year 1999. Windows has been extremely stable since Windows 2000, and I've almost never had a crash or BSOD on XP. Device drivers can be buggy, and so can software, but that's known to happen on the Mac too; Apple and its followers just don't want to admit it.

Vista's got issues with production, but those are back-compat issues. In case any of you might have forgotten, not a single major version of System / Mac OS has been binary compatible with the previous version. (Note: successive releases of OS X are not major versions, they're like SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP). Vista is a brand new, completely redesigned OS; the difference between Vista and XP is like the difference between OS X and OS 9. It's a miracle that the compatibility is as good as it is.

Just understand that the price premium is due to being a niche market, not due to any measurable improvement in performance or stability.

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Also, I notice that there've been a lot of people here raving about Reaper; workflow is a very personal issue and that's fine, I just want to point out that the "reviews" tend to be very self-selective right now because the app doesn't have a lot of momentum yet, and the only people really using it are people who are already interested in what it has to offer. I for one found it really ghetto and way more cumbersome than Cubase, but of course, YMMV, so if you're unhappy with your current sequencer, just try it and see. It's free, after all!

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Originally posted by kooma every DAW out there uses at least 32-bit floating point calculations for internal processing (including summing busses). sonar uses double precision (64-bit). the conversion to 16 or 24-bit (or whatever) audio is done at the output when all busses are summed already (using floating point calculations). and 24-bit for mastering is enough. i don't go around saying that cubase logic or flstudio has outdated "audio engine" 'cause sonar uses double precision (and has used for 2 years). and u don't make the transition to sonar 'cause your favourite DAW has outdated "audio engine". in the end it all comes down to workflow. your personal preference. PS! i don't use sonar.

Werd.

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i have had a powerbook for 4 years now, on the net and dloading all the time... no virus scanners or anything. just the odd update here and there, and i haven't had one issues

Big beal. I'd like to see how long that powerbook lasts in my garage. I'd bet my 1998 toshiba toughbook would laugh at its death

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I bought Cubase, and am now selling it 6 months later because I can't handle the workflow

Have you considered learning how to use cubase? Reaper is a joke. You might as well drag out the amiga and Pro24...

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Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2 Have you considered learning how to use cubase? Reaper is a joke. You might as well drag out the amiga and Pro24...

Have you considered learning how to use Reaper? - You fell into your own trap.

First... I said I BOUGHT Cubase 6 months ago.

Secondly, for almost every important feature you say Reaper lacks, I can name a more important one that Cubase is currently missing. Another point is that bugs YOU report to the developers get fixed within a week. Steinberg probably just redirect your emails straight to "Deleted Items". Reaper also uses 1/10th the memory that Cubase does, you can get it down to half the latency, and it will easily outperform Cubase on a dual/quad core CPU. Should I keep going?

I'm not going to start a DAW war, because everyone knows how stupid they are. Both programs are totally competent, I just prefer the workflow of Reaper. Don't act like a child when someone is legitimately critical of something you use. I assume you are the kind of person who can't see past the GUI. Keep using Cubase please, we don't want you on the Reaper forums.

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Originally posted by Mr Rogers wow....looks like an impressive prog. how do u find the workflow with this???

Well, for me, the main problem with Cubase has always been the ridiculous ammounts of windows you have to open up. I have a 22" LCD and I still find it a total annoyance. Reaper uses a docker, similar to Ableton, which holds the mixer, midi editor and anything else you want to put in there. The mixer also shows all your instruments, FX and sends, which you can load up straight from the main window with a single click. This is a massive selling point for me. After using Reaper for only 2 weeks, I found the Cubase UI really painful to go back to.

Another problem is tools. Specifically, the zoom tool frustrates me in Cubase. Reaper doesnt have any tools at all and is really intuitively setup - you can use the scroll on your mouse to zoom in etc. You can set macros in Cubase, but they don't work as well as this IMO.

those are just a few examples, but overall everything is a lot quicker for me in Reaper. It takes a bit of getting used to though. Cubase, you can just sit down infront of and go for your life. Reaper takes a bit more learning, but is fantastic once you do!

Give it a try, it's only $40.

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Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2 Big beal. I'd like to see how long that powerbook lasts in my garage. I'd bet my 1998 toshiba toughbook would laugh at its death .. Have you considered learning how to use cubase? Reaper is a joke. You might as well drag out the amiga and Pro24...

Trolling is nasty in these kind of topics. Try and back up anything with your personal view and or arguments. Wouldn't be nice if this becomes a flamewar (again).

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

I think the best reason to get a Mac is if you're a die hard Apple or Logic fan. The 'just works' is bullshit. I wanted a mac pro when they came out because of all the hype. I ended up getting a Dell for half the price. My friend got one of the new macbooks around the same time and he had a whole bunch of problems with it. You expect that for a first run on any type of electronics and Apple is definitely not immune from having their hardware or software act up. If you want a mac then get one but don't do it because of the advertising hype. It really comes down to personal preference.

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Mac are PCs, and PCs can be Macs.. It's all in the software..

Essentially a MacPro is simply a high end Intel worksation these days. Those that say they have a huge $$ premium are wrong, if you were to buy a prebuilt machine of COMPARABLE build quality you'd be hard pushed to find something as powerful for 90% the cash.

But no, don't buy ram or HDs from apple, they're standard and Apple will rape you// ;-)

Personally I use both in the studio, but I run OSX as the operating system on my main machine because the workflow suits me. That, and the OSX windows manager isn't stuck in the early 90s, unlike MS... I mean come on, you have a window that contains all the windows of your app and hides other apps underneath?! That gets old fast with dual and triple screen setups.

Back in the day Macs were certainly much slower $ for $, but these days they're about the same, and on launch the MacPro 8 corse were SERIOUSLY competitive, despite being hideously expensive. Watch for a refresh soon..

Fewer warez on the Mac, which might make the more "Expensive" for some folks though. Not an issue for me though.

Not trying to troll here, just illustrating why I picked one platform over the other.

but which software do you prefer??

if logic..its only on mac...

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Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2 Big beal. I'd like to see how long that powerbook lasts in my garage. I'd bet my 1998 toshiba toughbook would laugh at its death Have you considered learning how to use cubase? Reaper is a joke. You might as well drag out the amiga and Pro24...

amiga1200 is fucking good. leave it out of this.

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Originally posted by djtop1 but which software do you prefer?? if logic..its only on mac...

but which software do you prefer?

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if you're buying a Mac and Logic because you think "logic sound better than cubase.. the mixdown on logic or cubase is different mixdown!" then you're a moron.

Why didn't this get closed immediately?

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