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Originally posted by Krypton there is a Saudi theological monarchy is SPECIFICALLY because the US needs Saudi oil, which is the country with the #1 reserve of proven oil reserve in the world. The US in other words, supports the Saudi regime..

really? did you know we import roughly the same amount of oil from Venezuela than we do from the Sauds?

what do you think that does to your logic?

Krypton, just hear me out. I will openly admit that I don't have any proof to what I'll post, and that it's mainly my own theory on the matter.
Let me know if you want me to start such a thread.

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Originally posted by CHRles Purple, do you mind if I start a new thread about Saudi Arabia, and my take on the rulers of that country?

I dont mind, go ahead..

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Originally posted by Q5echo really? did you know we import roughly the same amount of oil from Venezuela than we do from the Sauds?

And???????????????

Erase our imports of Saudi oil ALONE, and you cripple the US economy.

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what do you think that does to your logic?

Absolutely nothing because your point is irrelevant. Saudi oil is still a top priority of the US. Period...

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Originally posted by CHRles Krypton, just hear me out. I will openly admit that I don't have any proof to what I'll post, and that it's mainly my own theory on the matter. Let me know if you want me to start such a thread.

Do you know how difficult it is to debate when no sources are used to support arguments? It can be done, but when it comes to push n shove, sources just make any argument that much more credible, and ALWAYS trumps a non-sourced argument.

I suggest you begin to use sources to support your theories, so we will be more receptive to whatever you have to say. Otherwise, most of us will remain skeptical.

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It won't be a push n shove theory, and won't have much to do with the US. Still interested?

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Originally posted by Purple I dont mind, go ahead..

Thank, will do

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Originally posted by Krypton Do you know how difficult it is to debate when no sources are used to support arguments? It can be done, but when it comes to push n shove, sources just make any argument that much more credible, and ALWAYS trumps a non-sourced argument. I suggest you begin to use sources to support your theories, so we will be more receptive to whatever you have to say. Otherwise, most of us will remain skeptical.

But in the end, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Whether or not they convince anyone else that there opinion is right, well that's when sources are helpful.

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All I'm saying is that sources to back up opinions help A LOT.

Chrles, post ur theory. THe "push to shove" is when the debate gets heated, long, and stalled. That is when sources help to break that cycle.

Otherwise, debates just become flame fests..

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Originally posted by Krypton Erase our imports of Saudi oil ALONE, and you cripple the US economy.

OMG...and thats the basis for your US/Saudi Royal family hegemony theory?

Saudi oil represents 9% of the total oil used in this country. however, Saudi exports to the US are far greater a percentage of their total. that kinda negates any notion that the US has a need to control the sales aspect of Saudi oil.

my point was that oil is oil no matter who the oil companies purchase it from.

Saudi oil is very unique. it has a market value based on the simple laws of supply and demand that is the standard to which all other oils are based. it is in the Saudi's best interest to sell it to as many people as they can. and they do. regardless of who they are in the world politically. eliminate Saudi oil and EVERYONE will pay.

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Saudi oil is still a top priority of the US. Period...

protecting all of the oil over there and it's access is in the world's best interest.

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Originally posted by Q5echo OMG...and thats the basis for your US/Saudi Royal family hegemony theory? Saudi oil represents 9% of the total oil used in this country. however, Saudi exports to the US are far greater a percentage of their total. that kinda negates any notion that the US has a need to control the sales aspect of Saudi oil. my point was that oil is oil no matter who the oil companies purchase it from. Saudi oil is very unique. it has a market value based on the simple laws of supply and demand that is the standard to which all other oils are based. it is in the Saudi's best interest to sell it to as many people as they can. and they do. regardless of who they are in the world politically. eliminate Saudi oil and EVERYONE will pay.

I never said the US has a need to control Saudi oil sales because they don't control it. I'm saying there is a special relationship between the US and Saudi Arabia, based on oil. Saudi Arabia obviously lacks in human rights, but because of this special relationship, they have been immune to critique by US government, meanwhile country's like Cuba, which compares little in commodity power to the Saudi's, get embargoed specifically because of "human rights". China too. It's hypocritical.

We need to treat all nations the same. How we should treat them is in a spirit of peace. Not embargoes, wars, and coup attempts..

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