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Originally posted by Q5echo from you that seems about right. heres a polite F**K YOU and what you think is signifigant. twat.

How is what happened before 9/11 significant to today's climate?

I know Americans hate Hizballah because they got their arse kicked by them in Beirut and ran home with their tails between their legs but Christ man, that was a quarter of a century ago! Get over it!

What is significant today is international terrorism as practiced by al-Qaida to devestating effect in 2001. That is the threat.

How is Iran posing a threat on the scale of al-Qaida in 2001?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Get over it!

241 Marines killed in their sleep on a UN peacekeeping mission and where the hell is Lebanon today?

Iran hasn't gotten over anything. they're not going to. what Iran does in the Middle East is not being marginalized over the years, it's becoming prevalent. it's the status quo now. and it's not because of Iraq, it's just because they can. you won't stop them but you'll piss and moan about other injustice in the ME.

you won't even give Iran a second thought. not because you might be able to feign concern over terror, but because you just plain don't like Israel and America. i don't care really just don't tell me what Iran does to other people is insignifigant.

FFS dude you were crying about something that happened in Palestine 50 years ago last week and youre not Palestinian

and besides you don't want to understand anything American so piss off.

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How is Iran posing a threat on the scale of al-Qaida in 2001?

they want to go nuclear. tell me they don't want to go nuclear

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Originally posted by Q5echo 241 Marines killed in their sleep on a UN peacekeeping mission and where the hell is Lebanon today?

Irrelevant to today's very real threat of international terrorism facing the West unfortunately

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Iran hasn't gotten over anything. they're not going to. what Iran does in the Middle East is not being marginalized over the years, it's becoming prevalent. it's the status quo now. and it's not because of Iraq, it's just because they can. you won't stop them but you'll piss and moan about other injustice in the ME.

This thread is about Saudi Arabia. My point was Saudi Arabia poses a very dangerous terrorist threat to the West - Iran does not. I am not praising or defending Iran. I am making a very valid point that Saudi Arabia poses a threat, yet is friends with America, but Iran poses no terrorist threat to the West, but we are told they are the number one enemy - my point is that should be Saudi Arabia

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you won't even give Iran a second thought. not because you might be able to feign concern over terror, but because you just plain don't like Israel and America. i don't care really just don't tell me what Iran does to other people insignifigant

It's insignificant in the context I am talking about, sorry but that is true. We live in the post-9/11 world, not the Cold War world. We face a threat from terrorism, that threat is greatest from Saudi involvement not Iranian involvement. Accusing me of hating America or Israel is a lazy (and ineffective) way of find a way to criticise what I am saying when you can't think of any valid arguments.

This thread is about Saudi Arabia, the domestic situation and the international threat it poses. My comparison with Iran is to highlight my views on Saudi Arabia, not to "praise" Iran or to show "hatred" for Israel or America as you seem to think

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and besides you don't want to understand anything American so piss off.

When you have to resort to pathetic outbursts like this, then I know you're nowhere near winning any debate

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they want to go nuclear. tell me they don't want to go nuclear

To be honest I wouldn't consider a nuclear Iran a threat to the West, only to Israel. I don't know whether Iran wants nukes, imo, probably, but this thread is about Saudi Arabia, so why don't you give me your views on that like I asked earlier...

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Originally posted by George Smiley I know Americans hate Hizballah because they got their arse kicked by them in Beirut and ran home with their tails between their legs but Christ man, that was a quarter of a century ago! Get over it!

hmmmmmm, catching them while they slept??? How is that?? But then again, you don't have a problem with anything the pedo loving Jihadist do, like Hide inside a church, use women and children as shields and oh lets not for get, the bombing ff markets, labor sites and so forth..... yeah they are really Hardcore and a group all should idolize.....

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Originally posted by LazFX hmmmmmm, catching them while they slept??? How is that?? But then again, you don't have a problem with anything the pedo loving Jihadist do, like Hide inside a church, use women and children as shields and oh lets not for get, the bombing ff markets, labor sites and so forth..... yeah they are really Hardcore and a group all should idolize.....

What the fuck are you on about?!

Have you not read ANYTHING I wrote in this thread about al-Qaida?

Actually, seeing as you hate Muslims so much, perhaps you'd like to give your opinion on the topic of this thread - Saudi Arabia?

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Originally posted by LazFX the pedo loving Jihadist

Would I be correct in thinking that you're a Catholic? You know where this is going don't you...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Irrelevant to today's very real threat of international terrorism facing the West unfortunately

it's quite relevant to international terror. when proxy armies can kill at will democratically elected secular officials without any recourse, it's a threat to all democracies. it should never go unchallenged by the West.

whats unfortunate is this thinking that nothing would ever come from ignoring a country like Iran.

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My point was Saudi Arabia poses a very dangerous terrorist threat to the West

the government of Saudi Arabia obviously isn't. what would that do to your Saudi oil/Amerikkka/world hegemony theory?

and if the house of Saud isn't a threat to the West then naturally it would be in their every interest to make sure that stability isn't itself threatened.

the Saudis don't want nukes either.

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To be honest I wouldn't consider a nuclear Iran a threat to the West, only to Israel.

ok who in this Administration is saying Iran is a threat specifically to America aside from our forces in Iraq? where are you getting this?

"only to Israel" see thatsmy point. you don't realize but your antipathy towards Israel and somewhat of America really does affect your point of view when it comes to larger picture. how it makes you view Iran is absolutely no exception.
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I don't know whether Iran wants nukes

if a Frenchman says they do and tells the world we need to do something about it then you should listen.

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's quite relevant to international terror. when proxy armies can kill at will democratically elected secular officials without any recourse, it's a threat to all democracies. it should never go unchallenged by the West. whats unfortunate is this thinking that nothing would ever come from ignoring a country like Iran.

It would only be relevant if Iranian sponsorship of terrorism were part of the wider international phenomenan of Sunni (al-Qaida) terrorism. It isn't, therefore, imo, Shiite terrorism is a localised phenomena and cannot be compared or linked to Sunni terrorism to justify policy against Iran (as it is currently)

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the government of Saudi Arabia obviously isn't.

You haven't read any of this thread have you? My point ALL THE WAY THROUGH is that the Saudi government IS a very dangerous threat to the West. Please go back and read my responses to CHRles about the "dual" government in Saudi Arabia because you "obviously" don't know anything about Saudi politics

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and if the house of Saud isn't a threat to the West then naturally it would be in their every interest to make sure that stability isn't itself threatened.

Other than their sponsorship of al-Qaida? And other Sunni terrorist groups (including ones that attack Israel)

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the Saudis don't want nukes either.

They don't need them when they have America's to protect them

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ok who in this Administration is saying Iran is a threat specifically to America aside from our forces in Iraq? where are you getting this?

Nobody is "specifically" saying that - that's the point! They are creating and promoting that impression by falsely claiming Iran is the greatest sponsor of terrorism in the world, trying to get their population and media to link 9/11 type terrorism to Irainian sponsored terrorism when there just is no link

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"only to Israel" see thatsmy point. you don't realize but your antipathy towards Israel and somewhat of America really does affect your point of view when it comes to larger picture. how it makes you view Iran is absolutely no exception.

Israel is just another country to me, I have no feelings either way, they aren't our friend and they aren't our enemy, so it is not part of my culture, unlike yours, to formulate policy around their concerns. That doesn't mean I support attacks on Israel because I don't - I don't support any attacks on innocent civilians anywhere (the military however, is fair cop as they are an occupying force and I oppose the occupation). Israel is a strategic ally of America, but not of the UK or EU, so while I understand America's concerns for Israel over Iran, don't expect me to agree with it.

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if a Frenchman says they do and tells the world we need to do something about it then you should listen.

Ok. But we are SPECIFICALLY talking about terrorism, because I am comparing the threat posed by Saudi Arabia to that posed by Iran (Saudi Arabia is the topic remember?) and that comparison can ONLY be made by terrorism

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Originally posted by George Smiley Would I be correct in thinking that you're a Catholic? You know where this is going don't you...

nope... I was not born into the "Great Babylon"

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Originally posted by LazFX nope... I was not born into the "Great Babylon"

Well there are an abundance of racist or xenophobic stereotypes I could use against you either way...