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emc^2
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Originally posted by Magnetonium



OK, how am I hypocritical? Tell me, which great experienced and smart Russian politician there's in Russia right now who is even capable of replacing Putin and continuing his success? Ever ask that question to yourself? Please, dont give me any name of Western puppets who will only seek to secure things for their counterparts abroad, as Yeltsin's cronies easily sold off for fire prices lots of critical resources, like oil and gas fields (Sakhalin-1, for example). He wasnt a Russian leader. He was merely a despotic puppet.


Let's start from the end. First, to answer your question: Kasparov, for starters. Shenderovich. Hakemada. Where's opposition? Nowhere to be found. Why?

1. Open season on opposition. It doesn't have to come in the official form, like it does in the press, when meetings are disbursed, organizations are deemed "illegal" for some bureaucratical reason, etc. All it really takes is few phone calls, threatening relatives or person themself. How can opposition exist in the environment of government-sponsored lawlessnes?

2. Total control of the media by Putin. Again, how does one gain a platform from where to speak, if that platform is occupied by the current "man in power"? Even Kasparov's cable TV talks were cancelled, for unexplained reasons.

3. It is very easy to present people with a candidate they should vote for when you have an endless pool of wealth and TV, press, mass media that you control. To an average voter, one who relies on TV and other mass media to base his/her decision - the choice is clear. The person they see/hear/read about the most, furthermore endorsed by the "savior" Putin gets the vote.

4. A government without any system of checks and ballances cannot be considered a democratic government. Furthermore, a government where laws are only as "static" as the "man in charge" would allow them to be cannot possibly have any credibility with a sober and sane voter, looking for fair chance to vote for the person they thing is going to further their beliefs, cause, and mentality. So, you end up with a voter whose mentality is "well, which of the candidate is a lesser of (all) evils?"

5. How do you even breed a generation of youth that believes in freedom and democracy, when you strangle it in school by re-introducing classes and books based on Soviet-era mentality, beliefs, and lies? How do you allow your youth to take process in the shaping of their country when you bribe underpriveledged and uncaring students by paying them to attend mock-up protests agains the so-called "opposition".

6. Taking it a bit further, how do you convince your average voter that it's not just a hoax? Well, easy... Introduce some STRAW MAN opposition, someone who doesn't have anything they can offer and stand no chance of winning. It's simple.

Listen, like it or not - Russia is back on track towards what appears to be a Chinese model - e.g. Capita-communism. Meaning, state-controlled capitalism, with authoritarian system where human rights are just an illusion.

What makes me even more sick, is a sheer portrayal of Putin as re-incarnation of Stalin - the saviour of Russian peoples. The media broadcasts, showing some cripple, rolling on a stage in front of the Duma, saying that Putin is a true leader of russia and best choice for Russia. Or a woman from the "heartland" - e.g. somewhere bumfuck in Russia, who pleads on behalf of her people to the members of duma to change the consistution to allow Putin to run for a 3rd term.

I can go on and on.

Let's be real, please. I have volumes and volumes I can bring up but I am afraid it all falls on deaf ears.

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The levels of corruption and crime in Russia right now (still rooted in communist days) are so deep you wouldn't have enough Russian guards to jail them all. He cant jail everyone, the country's prisons are full already - and not with innocent people.


Hey, how about using some of those reserves to provide enough incentive for the law enforcement not to take bribes? To have an "internal affairs" bureau crack down on corruption? To show the people that LAW DOES WIN? How about starting with a due process? What about offering some constitutional protection and court system independent form the influence of the person in charge?

that'd be a start. there can be no law in a place where government itself has no respect for it and changes it as it suits them. What ever happened to Ivanov's son, who killed a woman with his car, while speeding? NOTHING. He got off scold-free. The witnesses dissapeared, the report was altered, the prosecutor had "nothing to go on". Jee wiz. How convenient.

At least in U.S. the politicians are not immune from criminal justice code. Fuck, I'm not even starting with Luzhkov and his wife (who just strangely happens to be the richest woman in Russia - worth about estimated... um... $2.5Bln USD. Not to mention that Luzhkov himself (being a government worker) has a huge share of property and realty in Sochi (worth estimated $1Bln USD).

Meanwhile, the people are told that true enemies of the state are enterpreneurs like Khodarkovski - a person who first established a transparent corporate reporting system in Russia, subsidised schools, offered above average pay to his employees, and "took care of his people", knowing people were his biggest assets. What happened to him?

What about Russian government killing their own people? Beslan. Dubrovka. FSB bobmbing of homes to re-open Chechen front?

How about murdering the voice of opposition and free press? Politkovskaya. Safronov. Klebnikov. the list goes on and on.

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You havent actually provided any solutions or positive aspect other than criticizing and brutalizing Russia, thats very effective and productive.



You, yourself admitted there are problems yet offered no solutions. Well, quite honestly - the only solution in russia can be found at the end of the gun. Sadly, only massive public upheval would bring about change, nothing short of revolution, mind. The youth of today has become very complacent. They have embraced the relative freedom and some sort of pseudo-capitalism and full-on consumerism. Quite effective. Unlike the population that came before them, one fed up with communism and oppression, this one has been silenced or coherced into silence. No change is forthcoming in Russia in any near future, I'm afraid.

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Russia cant be fixed overnight and in one term, it will take decades.


Decades? I'd say CENTURIES. Yet, at the rate it's going, it will just engraine the current "modus operandi" into future generations. I say that Russia will forever remain what it is right now - a faux-democratic, clandestinely or openly authoritarian, pseudo-soviet country.

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Your focus is an example of forces that are undermining Russia from within and from outside. Thats how Russia is struggling, because even some Russians are against Russia. There's no unity. Thats worse than foreign intervention.


That sounds vaguely familiar... there was at least one individual who saw people who were unhappy with the things the way they were as "enemies of the state". His name was....... oh. that's right. Josev Vissarionovich Stalin! I don't consider healthy opposition as being "against Russia". I see the government that chokes it in every way possible as a threat to Russia, region, and rest of the world.

Communist cancer ain't dead. It just went into recess and mutated. It now came back stronger than ever, in new form with new methods to choke the victim - e.g. being the rest of the Europe and world.

And that's not Russophobia. It's a cold, sobering and damn right clear shot of reality.

Let's hear your solutions, mate.

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Magnetonium
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quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
Let's start from the end. First, to answer your question: Kasparov, for starters. Shenderovich. Hakemada. Where's opposition? Nowhere to be found. Why?




ROFL LMAO! A chess player (Kasparov) ... a radio host (Shenderovich) ///cut /// no political experience, meaning the country will go to hell /// ... and Hakemada (properly Hakamada) a depressed politician whose father was a big communist, and she supports Union of Right Forces (Soyuz Pravih Sil) who are:

"A Russian democratic opposition party associated with free market reforms, privatization, and the legacy of the 'Young Reformers' of the 1990s: Anatoly Chubais, Boris Nemtsov, and Yegor Gaidar. Nikita Belykh is the party's leader. The Party is considered by most western media organs such as The Economist and the BBC to be one of Russia's only parties that support western-style capitalism, society-politically the party is more conservative. Its headquarters are located in Moscow. It is affiliated to the International Democrat Union."

FUCK Yeltsin and his reforms. Those three ******s in bold in 1990s killed the Russian economy, culminating with 1998 black thursday. Bravo, bravo!!! Great economic reforms! Great political experience and platform! They sold off the country, robbed it, gave it to the idiots like Berezovsky to make his millions. You are sort of being a hypocrite here (didnt you say Yeltsin was an idiot?). This party will turn Russia back to that shithole that I had to crawl out of with my family.

Even LDPR will get more votes than that party will. And they're pretty bad since they even took Lugovoi out of desperation to gain votes (clever idea).

I guarantee you, Putin doesnt even have to rig elections to make you happy - he's got 80% popular support right now and people will vote for United Russia no matter how despotic you think it is. And its no dictatorship.

As for the rest, I'll talk about later, got to go to sleep. You still havent named a decent politician with experience. Because there never were. They always hid behind someone's back and broke countless laws, like Yukos. Berezovsky also was one, and look at that crook and what he's up to - now requested to be extradited to Brazil for corruption charges there.


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CHRles
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Nice to see Rice stepping up to the plate and calling it like it is.
Putin has way too much power in his hands, much moreso then someone like Bush:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europ...a.ap/index.html

She's also met with Russian rights leaders:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exe...7A03E27F400.htm

Don't be afraid to speak loud and clear Condi

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Magnetonium
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You should read more about Ms. Rice and what she does and supports in her own country. Compulsive liar as well, neo-con group. Just because she says that Putin is centralizing power, doesnt mean that its true or that Russia must bend on its knees and concede to American government's agenda ... which makes me think of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Putin is simply placing order in Russia once again. Do you seriously think Russia will prosper under someone like Yeltsin next come his act-alike comes around? I know the West will prosper under that by ripping off Russia by acquiring its assets and resources fields for cheap and manipulating things.

What many people still fail to understand is that the Russophobia campaign started off since Putin came to power because Russia under Putin decided to end the lawless party and slap laws, constitution and order on things. Western interests can no longer boss Russia around and abuse its resources, and they're crying about it very much.

Once again, its true that many generations of communism and oppressive tsarist regimes have caused a lot of damage on the psychic and social functions of Russian culture. We first were used, manipulated and submitted to the tsars and then terrorised later by the communists. Democracy is gradually building in Russia. No matter how hard some people are crying about it, there's no leader that can make things in Russian beautiful and peachy in one,two,three terms. BUT, in order to implement democratic changes, Russia must have a FUNCTIONAL and STRONG government. Look at Yeltsin's era - sure, democracy was allowed, but noone could enforce it, and many people were denied constitutional rights and freedoms because the officials could be easily bribed, and they didnt care if there was no money involved. Putin came around and started disciplining those corrupt officials (attack on democracy, eh) and enforcing constitutional rights and freedoms so that people can be protected by functional system.

Yeltsin's was a disfunctional one. Democracy under Yeltsin was just a pretty word. If you were cheated or ripped off by an official or a business, noone would ever help you if you didnt have money and connections. Constitution - people laughed at it. Until Putin came around. I lived in Russia under Yeltsin, I know full well from my own experience how well the Constitution was respected and followed then.


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CHRles
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Ummm, Yeltsin sucked. No one's arguing with you there.
Putin's grandiose ambitions go beyond democracy, based on whats he's displaying. That is just as dangerous, if not moreso, then what Russia faced under Yeltsin.
Putin is considered to be well connected to the Russian mafia, and he's the one whose the bully not the US, nor Europe.

Again, it's no surprise that countries like the Czech Republic and Poland are quick to side with NATO. The leaders of countries like Poland and the Czech Republic remember what life was like under Russian Soviet rule. While these 2 countries have grown by leaps and bounds, corruption is still rampant in Russia.
So don't give me that Russia is being exploited spiel. All the countries of eastern Europe were exploited to a degree, and those countries made the most of that to help their economies grow.
Why do you think all of the countries of Eastern Europe were rushed to join the EU? Why do you thinbk their admission was accelerated? B/c no one wants to see them fall back into the hands of some Russian dictator, if such a situation arises.

This isn't a US vs. Russia situation. It's a Russia vs. the West ordeal, a Russia vs. East Europe potential problem, and Russia vs. itself we're dealing with here.

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Magnetonium
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quote:
Originally posted by CHRles
Ummm, Yeltsin sucked. No one's arguing with you there.
Putin's grandiose ambitions go beyond democracy, based on whats he's displaying. That is just as dangerous, if not moreso, then what Russia faced under Yeltsin.
Putin is considered to be well connected to the Russian mafia, and he's the one whose the bully not the US, nor Europe.

Again, it's no surprise that countries like the Czech Republic and Poland are quick to side with NATO. The leaders of countries like Poland and the Czech Republic remember what life was like under Russian Soviet rule. While these 2 countries have grown by leaps and bounds, corruption is still rampant in Russia.
So don't give me that Russia is being exploited spiel. All the countries of eastern Europe were exploited to a degree, and those countries made the most of that to help their economies grow.
Why do you think all of the countries of Eastern Europe were rushed to join the EU? Why do you thinbk their admission was accelerated? B/c no one wants to see them fall back into the hands of some Russian dictator, if such a situation arises.

This isn't a US vs. Russia situation. It's a Russia vs. the West ordeal, a Russia vs. East Europe potential problem, and Russia vs. itself we're dealing with here.


No, its the old "divide and conquer" technique. Russia's reemergence on world's political and economical scene has scared US/EU and its allies shitless. Its no coincidence that half-way through Putin's term anti-RUssian politicians have won in revolutions ... all part of a campaign to isolate and weaken Russia and its political and economical sphere of influence.

Russia, on the other hand, despite the accusations, hasnt meddled in those countries affairs (unless you consider economical/political support of your friendly neighbours as meddling, LOL). Quite frankly, Russia didnt even attempt to invade or overthrow any regimes in Europe since its collapse, yet countries like Ukraine, Baltic states and Georgia are now involved in massive anti-Russian activities on a government level, such as claiming that Russia's bullying them after they refuse to pay up with oil/gas agreements thats pumped from Russia and dismantling WW2 monuments that were erected in memory of millions of Soviet troops who died fighting the Nazi scum from those countries (and instead embracing the Nazi movement). Its one thing when these countries decide to join EU. Its another when they act like so Russophobic.

Trust me, once in Russia another Yeltsin comes to power, all this Russophobic movement will end. Because then Russia will plunge into economic problems, the country will weaken internally and on the world level, corruption and crime will rise, but that will be viewed as positive and democratic change. Believe me, its not a coincidence that just 2-4 years after Putin came to power and many criminals like Berezovsky were deposed who through 1990s abused Russia did this whole Russophobic movements finally kicked back in after a 10+ year absence. Its fun to have an enemy.


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Originally posted by Magnetonium

Russia, on the other hand, despite the accusations, hasnt meddled in those countries affairs (unless you consider economical/political support of your friendly neighbours as meddling, LOL). Quite frankly, Russia didnt even attempt to invade or overthrow any regimes in Europe since its collapse, yet countries like Ukraine, Baltic states and Georgia are now involved in massive anti-Russian activities on a government level, such as claiming that Russia's bullying them after they refuse to pay up with oil/gas agreements thats pumped from Russia and dismantling WW2 monuments that were erected in memory of millions of Soviet troops who died fighting the Nazi scum from those countries (and instead embracing the Nazi movement). Its one thing when these countries decide to join EU. Its another when they act like so Russophobic.


BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I'm not wasting any more of my time, talking to you. Anti-Georgian actions, attempts to rig Ukrainian elections, clear russian mafia-style "pressing" - e.g. political/economic extortion, cutting off gas right before the new year, all these things are obvious even to retarded mouse, stashed away in some basement of Chernobyl lab, it's brain jellified by radiation and healthy dose of idiocy, not very different from the one you're spewing here. And here you are, with your head shoved so far up your ass, I can't even see your torso, claiming that benevolent Russia is only "helping its neighbors at it's own expense".

Fuck that bullshit. The only time Russia gives a dime is when it knows it has a dollar to gain. And it doesn't have to be monetary - it can be pollitical.

Fuck you, your skewed logic, the horse you rode in on, and mental myopia exceeding any measurable grading. Responding to anymore of your hillariously outlandish statements would only prolong your stay on top of the imaginary soap box, where you ramble off your daft statements and think someone gives a shit about some Russack's propaganda-soaked views.

Thank you for such a clear proof that you sir, are a 100%, GRADE-A, certified cretin. Bravo!

amazing...

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Re: In Praise of Vladimir Putin

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd
Under Putin, Russia has not turned into Latin America.

Why is this stressed? Since when is "Latin America" a country? Or a homogeneous region?


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You don't remember when under Yeltsin Russia turned into Latin America? Everyone started speaking Spanish and Portugese, the Russian women got a nice tan, soccer reached new heights, and telenovelas became all the rage in Moscow and St. Petersburg

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quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I'm not wasting any more of my time, talking to you. Anti-Georgian actions, attempts to rig Ukrainian elections, clear russian mafia-style "pressing" - e.g. political/economic extortion, cutting off gas right before the new year, all these things are obvious even to retarded mouse, stashed away in some basement of Chernobyl lab, it's brain jellified by radiation and healthy dose of idiocy, not very different from the one you're spewing here. And here you are, with your head shoved so far up your ass, I can't even see your torso, claiming that benevolent Russia is only "helping its neighbors at it's own expense".

Fuck that bullshit. The only time Russia gives a dime is when it knows it has a dollar to gain. And it doesn't have to be monetary - it can be pollitical.

Fuck you, your skewed logic, the horse you rode in on, and mental myopia exceeding any measurable grading. Responding to anymore of your hillariously outlandish statements would only prolong your stay on top of the imaginary soap box, where you ramble off your daft statements and think someone gives a shit about some Russack's propaganda-soaked views.

Thank you for such a clear proof that you sir, are a 100%, GRADE-A, certified cretin. Bravo!

amazing...


OK, ******, here's some evidence for you:

ADL Protests March of Latvian Waffen SS

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/3346_52.asp

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ADL Protests March of Latvian Waffen SS
New York, NY, March 17, 1999…The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) protested the march of hundreds of veterans of the Latvian Waffen SS through Riga, saying it was outrageous that the March 16 event had official government sanction.

Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement:

We are outraged that a march in Riga of hundreds of veterans of the Latvian Waffen SS had official government sanction. This event, which we have protested in the past, takes on greater significance since the Latvian Parliament designated March 16 as Veterans Day, the day when the Latvian 15th and 19th Divisions (known as the Latvian Waffen SS) first fought Russian troops during World War II.

We have made it clear to the Government of Latvia that it must exhibit leadership and speak out against such commemorative activities that insult the memories of the victims of Nazi atrocities and bring shame on Latvians today. We are heartened by President Guntis Ulmanis’ real efforts to oppose such tainted celebrations by prohibiting officials and members of the armed forces to participate, calling on the parliament to reverse its decision and working to promote Holocaust education in Latvia.

The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.


Latvian President Rehabilitates Nazism

http://www.voltairenet.org/article30079.html

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On March 16, 2005, a Waffen SS demonstration took place in the capital of a state that recently became a member of the European Union and NATO: Latvia. Authorities decided to allow it and to repress the citizens who protested. Far from being an isolated action, this event represents the culmination of a process, which aims at denying the disappearance of Nazism and rehabilitating it, led by the president of the Republic, Vaira Vike-Freiberga and openly financed by the Embassy of the United States. It takes place after Nazi parties have assumed power in different “democratized” states like, for instance, Ukraine.


The events of March 16, 2005, in Riga (Latvia) have inflamed the feelings in Eastern Europe and Russia but it is very unlikely that the Atlantist press (that of western Europe and the European community) will make any reference to them. Actually, the facts speak for themselves and reflect an inadmissible aspect of NATO and the European Union since its expansion on May 1, 2004.

On the initiative of the Nazi association Club 415, and for the fifth consecutive year although for the first time in the heart of NATO and the European Union, several hundreds of Waffen SS marched in the center of the capital. The demonstration, which was authorized by the municipal council of Riga, was protected by security forces, while people who were peacefully protesting against it were brutally repressed and some of them submitted to interrogation.

This case is not about a traditional clash between right-wing skinheads and the extreme left but a political act that emerges from a deep reflection, personally organized by the president of the Republic and that marks the culmination of a quick process of Nazi rehabilitation. It is not a repugnant provocation with a domestic effect either but an international strategy, organized by NATO, which deliberately gives guarantees to clandestine organizations that have to be acknowledged for their contribution to the de-Sovietization of Europe and which are already linked to several governments, especially in the «orange» Ukraine.

In order to understand what is at stake in this game, it is necessary to go back in time.

During World War II, the Nazis created 37 divisions of Waffen Schutzstaffel (Waffen SS) of which only 12 were comprised exclusively by Germans [1] . Most of the members of the divisions were recruited among the so-called «Aryan» populations of the occupied or annexed countries. Although the Latvians were not all considered «Aryan», they were massively recruited. Out of 900,000 Waffen SS, almost 150,000 were Latvians thus being the largest foreign contingent while their country, Latvia, only had two million inhabitants. The Latvians were mainly placed in the 15th Infantry Division, which was the most decorated non-German Waffen SS unit. It was them who entrenched themselves in Berlin and engaged in the last military actions of the Third Reich.

The Latvian SS did not fight to defend their country but mainly against the Resistance in Russia and Belarus. Most of them were volunteers, although, in 1944, they were joined by some recruits who had been forced to enlist.

On the other hand, other Latvians - nearly 130,000 - enlisted to fight against the Axis (Hitler’s Germany, Mussolini’s Italy and Japan). Most of them fought in the Red Army that liberated their country from Nazism. After the negotiations among the Allies, Latvia, like other Baltic states, was absorbed by the Soviet Union.

Even before the end of World War II, the British secret services recruited agents among the Nazi war criminals (specially members of the Arajs Kommando) to fight Communism and infiltrated them in Sweden with the help of the SMT, the local secret service. Thus, an SS unit was formed by 1,500 men under the command of Colonel Osis, aiming at launching an attack against the Soviets. However, this idea was abandoned after the Nuremberg Trial labeled the Waffen SS and all its sections as «criminal organizations». In 1949, these agents were transferred to Hamburg (to the German zone occupied by the British) where they would be trained by the MI6 - British Secret Intelligence Service - («Jungle Operation»). The «best» elements received an additional training in Great Britain. They soon became part of what would become NATO’s «stay-behind» network, jointly directed by Great Britain and the United States [2]. Several parachuting and infiltration operations in espionage and sabotage missions took place but they all failed, causing a cruel repression by the Soviets. Eventually, this method was abandoned in 1952 when it was replaced by psychological operations [3] .

Those networks remained active during the entire Cold War period. In 1997, Germany revealed that it was still giving pensions to 50,000 former SS or their rightful successors, spread around the world. Thus, Reinhard Heydrich’s widow (he was the architect of the «final solution») or Heinz Barth (responsible for the massacre of Oradur-sur-Glane) continue to receive salaries from the German government in spite of their crimes [4] .

From the Anglo-Saxon point of view, this investment was not useless as it provided a framework to assume power after the collapse of the Soviet Union. And that process is far from over. Thus, when during the recent orange «revolution» [5] , agents of these networks - regrouped in the heart of the Congress of the Ukrainian Nationalists (KUN) and the Pan-Ukrainian Party of Liberty (Svoboda, former SNPU) - joined «Our Ukraine» - the so-called democratic coalition of Viktor Yuschenko and gave it the necessary political structure - there was absolutely no doubt about the Nazi identity of these groups. The first one explicitly includes in all its documents the phrase: «Facción Stefan Bandera» («Faction, Stefan, Flag») while the second one uses the trident and the swastika as symbols. Not to mention the friends of Mrs. Timoschenko (Ukraine’s Foreign Minister): the UNA-UNSO, a paramilitary organization created after the 1991 putsch in Moscow that is comprised of more than 1,000 combatants, men who went to fight in Croatia with the CIA and later together with the insurgents in Chechnya and Georgia.

Of these groups, only the Svoboda (Freedom) has been kept inactive after its leader, Oleh Tyhnybok praised those who, during World War II, had «cleared the country of Jews and Russians» and urged everyone to follow their example returning «Ukraine to the Ukrainians» and «setting the country free from the Muscovite Jews that exploit it» [6] . They were very careful not to show swastikas during the orange «revolution» that was televised when most of the paid demonstrators had been recruited in these Nazi organizations. Anyway, the KUN and the UNA-NAS have been considered appropriate, or «clean», interlocutors, known for such a long time that the general secretary of the European Union and NATO, Spain’s Javier Solana, accepted to talk to them.

What is happening today - it be in Europe or anywhere else like Lebanon, for instance, where the Falangists are presented as defenders of democracy - has nothing to do with the expansion of freedom of which President George W. Bush boasts, but with the continuation of the worst of policies that began with the Cold War and no longer has any obstacles.

In this perspective, the MI6 and the CIA took control in Latvia where, due to the post-Soviet chaos, they put their men ahead the state. In the country, the disillusioned population speaks of the «gang of foreigners», reported journalist Rumania Ougartchinska in her last work [7] . An example of that is the Office for the Protection of the Constitution (SAB) [8], in charge - above all - of defending democracy, which is headed by Janis Kazocinu, who is actually a general of the British who was appointed military attaché in Riga during the independence and then deputy of the Chief of Staff. He only acquired the Latvian citizenship when he was granted the appointment.

Professor Vaira Vike-Freiberga plays an essential role in this mechanism. The family of this Canadian, who fled Latvia when the Third Reich of Adolf Hitler fell, was linked to the Nazi agents of NATO’s stay-behind networks through a clandestine association destined to the Diaspora: the Hawks of Daugava River (Daugavas Vanagi). Meanwhile, the family of her husband, Imants Freibergs, was linked to the MI6 in Germany at the end of World War II. Vike-Freiberga, Psychology professor at the University of Toronto, specialist in the influence of drugs on human behavior, settled in Riga in early 1999 and acquired the Latvian citizenship. Then, in the spring, she was elected President of the Republic, winning a second term four years later.

During the last years, President Vike-Freiberga has devoted herself to re-writing European history. In her opinion, Latvia was successively occupied by the Soviets, the Germans and again by the Soviets. Also according to her, the Latvians who joined the SS did it only to find an ally to liberate their country. In short, their crimes were comparable. For that, she based her reasoning in a peculiar interpretation of the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, which would have been the result of the totalitarian nature of the Nazi and Communist regimes. Today’s Germany could not be held responsible for the Nazi crimes but today’s Russia would always be responsible for crimes of Stalinism.

However, this interpretation does not reflect reality: the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact is, above all, an extension of the Munich Accords (Germany, France, Italy, and United Kingdom) to determine the areas of influence in the East after the distribution of Czechoslovakia among Germany, Poland and Hungary. In addition, it is necessary to integrate the role of Latvia itself during that period. Finally, we are astonished by the fact that she ignored the role of the Red Army in the liberation of Europe from the dun plague (the Fascists wore dun and black shirts), and described as traitors those Latvians who joined the Red Army. Anyway, the new Riga credo consists in presenting the Soviets as devils and to rehabilitate the Nazis who fought them.

In January 2005, the Latvian government published a work entitled History of Latvia: 20th Century; the book openly says that it was printed with the financial assistance of the US Embassy and its launching took place during a press conference of the president of the Republic. Among other things, we are surprised to read in the book that the camp of Salaspils, where the Nazis carried out medical experiments with children and 90,000 people were killed, was simply a «corrective working camp» and that the Waffen SS were heroes of the struggle against the Soviet occupying forces.

This book, as well as other school handbooks, cause rage among the Russian Parliament members and government and also in many countries of Eastern and Central Europe.

That is why Israel and Russia officially asked Latvia not to authorize the meeting of the Waffen SS on March 16. However, their petition was rejected.

Finally, let us underline that Latvia simultaneously joined NATO and the European Union during its expansion in May 2004, and much of that happen due to Washington’s dictates. For fifty years, the European Union has been the result of the combined willingness of the United States to anchor the western part to the Atlantist bloc to stop the Russian influence and the Europeans’ efforts to unite instead of destroying themselves. Today, the western Europeans no longer have to be protected from the «red danger» and Nazism is rehabilitated. The Union no longer represents peace.

From that moment on, it is easy to understand that in the middle of the referendum about the European Constitutional Treaty, the Atlantist media does not want to acknowledge the facts although, in spite of everything, there was a news wire of the France Press (AFP) news agency which presented the demonstration as a commemoration of «the former Latvian combatants that were forced to enlist in the German ranks of the Waffen SS during World War II»; it was a «homage to those legionary soldiers». The AFP did not describe as democrats those who opposed the demonstrators but as «pro-Russian radicals» [9] .

[1] Data from 1944

[2] «Stay-behind : les réseaux d’ingérence américains», by Thierry Meyssan, Voltaire, August 20, 2001

[3] See: MI6, Inside the Covert World of Her Majesty’s Secret Intelligence Service, by Stephen Dorril, Chapter 16, The Free Press, 2000

[4] « War criminals get pensions », Associated Press, February 7, 1997

[5] «Ukraine : la rue contre le peuple», Voltaire, November 29, 2004

[6] « Ukraine : Ultra-right groups support Yushchenko », by Justus Leicht, The Guardian, December 15, 2004

[7] KGB et Cie, à l’assaut de l’Europe by Roumania Ougartchinska, Anne Carrère Publishing House, 2005

[8] Satversmes Aizsardzibas Biroja

[9] « 20 arrestations lors de la marche en mémoire des Letttons enrôlés dans les SS », AFP, March 16, 2005, 14h08



Latvian SS march sparks clashes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4353997.stm

quote:

Latvia police have made dozens of arrests after pro-Russian activists tried to bloc a march of SS veterans and young nationalists in Riga.
The veterans had fought against Soviet troops on the side of Hitler's Germany in World War II.

The march in the capital was sanctioned by the Latvian authorities and took place amidst heavy police presence.

But it was interrupted by skirmishes which broke out as marchers came across the anti-fascists' human chain.

The protesters, mostly from the pro-Russian Rodina or Motherland organisation, were wearing striped clothes and yellow stars of David in a reference to the SS atrocities in Latvia, which lost 90% of its Jewish population in World War II.

Riga city council deputy Aleksandrs Gilmans told the Russian RIA agency by phone from a police station that almost all of the protesters had been detained, including himself.

Police put the number of the detainees at around 25 and say arrests were made on both sides.

War controversy

After the clashes, the veterans and their supporters from the nationalist Klubs-415 youth group proceeded to lay flowers at the statue of Freedom in the centre of Riga.

Former members of the Latvian Waffen SS Legion, formed during the German occupation of Latvia, have been staging similar events since the country regained independence in 1991.

Many had joined the Germans because they saw them as liberators after a brief, but brutal, Soviet occupation of Latvia between 1939 and 1941.

But Latvia also had a large-scale guerrilla movement that fought against both the Germans and the Soviets during and after World War II.

The resurgence of SS veterans is causing outrage among Latvia's large Russian-speaking population, which includes ethnic Jews.



Care to read more? Russia being too dictatorship-like by speaking out on behalf of ethnic Russians in Baltic countries?

Protests mark Latvia's EU entry

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3677383.stm

quote:


Ethnic Russians in Latvia held a huge rally in defence of their language rights as the ex-Soviet nation formally joined the EU with nine other states.
At least 20,000 marched peacefully through Riga wearing the label "alien" in English to protest at a law curbing the use of Russian in education.

All schools must teach mainly in Latvian under the EU-approved law.

Russian-speakers make up almost a third of Latvia's population and less than half have been given citizenship.

We want the world to hear us, but not in the Latvian language," Daria Aozlova, an 18-year-old student, told AP news agency.

"We are not celebrating [EU entry] today, because we are angry. We want to learn in our language."

Another demonstrator, 49-year-old businessman Andrei Merkushev, said the demonstration was not anti-EU.

"The EU celebration is my celebration too but I had to choose and this is more important to me," he said.

'Backed by Europe'

The demonstrators, some of whom had arrived in the capital by bus specially for the occasion, sang the anthem of the Russian-language movement, a version of Pink Floyd's Another Brick In The Wall.

They gathered at the Soviet-era Victory Monument, which marks the defeat of Nazi Germany but is seen by many Latvians as a symbol of the start of Soviet oppression.

Recent parades by Latvia's Waffen SS veterans have added to the country's ethnic tensions.

Under the education reform passed in February, at least 60% of classes must be taught in Latvian in public schools, including those catering for Russophones, come the new school year in September.

Only on Friday, President Vaira Vike-Freiberga went on Latvian radio to defend the new language law and accuse Russophone protesters of seeking to discredit the country on its day of EU entry.

"Europe has weighed us, measured us, assessed us," she said.

"Our laws, in every respect, from every side, have been examined and found to be compatible with human rights. Europe is not going to reject us, whether or not our schoolchildren protest in the streets."



OH, WAIT ... WHO ELSE is restoring nazi movement in post-Soviet states?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3585272.stm
Estonia unveils Nazi war monument

quote:

An Estonian town has unveiled a controversial monument to honour those who fought with Nazi forces against the Soviet Union in World War II.

The monument depicts an Estonian soldier in German military uniform.

The local authorities in the western town of Lihula said they wanted to honour those Estonians who had to choose between the two sides.

But the Estonian Prime Minister, Juhan Parts, described the monument as a provocation.

An investigation is underway into whether it could incite political hostilities.

'Less evil one'

About 2,000 people attended the unveiling ceremony on Friday.


Nazi movements in Ukraine?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index....text=va&aid=318

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OH, its ALLEGEDLY ONLY Russia that meddles with post-Soviet republics:

U.S. money has helped opposition in Ukraine
http://www.signonsandiego.com/union..._1n11usaid.html

quote:

WASHINGTON – The Bush administration has spent more than $65 million in the past two years to aid political organizations in Ukraine, paying to bring opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko to meet U.S. leaders and helping to underwrite an exit poll indicating he won last month's disputed runoff election.

U.S. officials say the activities don't amount to interference in Ukraine's election, as Russian President Vladimir Putin alleges, but are part of the $1 billion the State Department spends each year trying to build democracy worldwide.
No U.S. money was sent directly to Ukrainian political parties, the officials say. In most cases, it was funneled through organizations such as the Eurasia Foundation or through groups aligned with Republicans and Democrats that organized election training, with human rights forums or with independent news outlets.

But officials acknowledge that some of the money helped train groups and individuals opposed to the Russian-backed government candidate – people who now call themselves part of the "Orange Revolution."

For example, one group that received grants through U.S.-funded foundations is the Center for Political and Legal Reforms, whose Web site has a link to Yushchenko's home page under the heading "partners." Another project funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development brought an official with Ukraine's Center for Political and Legal Reforms to Washington, D.C., last year for a three-week training session on political advocacy.

"There's this myth that the Americans go into a country and, presto, you get a revolution," said Lorne Craner, a former State Department official who leads the International Republican Institute, which received $25.9 million last year to encourage democracy in Ukraine and more than 50 other countries.

"It's not the case that Americans can get 2 million people to turn out on the streets," Craner said. "The people themselves decide to do that."

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said, "There's accountability in place. We make sure that money is being used for the purposes for which it's assigned or designated."

Since the Ukrainian Supreme Court invalidated the results of the Nov. 21 presidential runoff, Russia and the United States have traded charges of interference. A new election is scheduled for Dec. 26.

Opposition leaders, international monitors and Bush's election envoy to Ukraine have said major fraud marred the runoff between Yushchenko and current Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, who was declared the winner.

Yushchenko is friendlier toward Europe and the United States than his opponent, who has Putin's support and backing from the current Ukrainian government of President Leonid Kuchma. Putin lauded Yanukovych during state visits to Ukraine within a week of the Oct. 31 election and the Nov. 21 runoff.

Yushchenko's backers say Russian support for Yanukovych goes beyond Putin's praise and includes millions of dollars in campaign funding and other assistance. Putin has said Russia has acted "absolutely correctly" with regard to Ukraine.

Documents and interviews provide a glimpse into how U.S. money was spent inside Ukraine.

"Our money doesn't go to candidates. It goes to the process, the institutions that it takes to run a free and fair election," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said.

The exit poll, funded by the embassies of the United States and seven other nations and four international foundations, said Yushchenko won the Nov. 21 vote by 54 percent to Yanukovych's 43 percent. Yanukovych and his supporters say the exit poll was skewed.

The Ukrainian groups that did the poll of more than 28,000 voters have not said how much the project cost. Neither has the United States.

The four foundations involved included three funded by the U.S. government: The National Endowment for Democracy, which receives its money directly from Congress; the Eurasia Foundation, which receives money from the State Department, and the Renaissance Foundation, part of a network of charities funded by billionaire George Soros that receives money from the State Department. Other countries involved included Great Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

Grants from groups funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development also went to the International Center for Policy Studies, a think tank that includes Yushchenko on its supervisory board. The board, however, also comprises several current or former advisers to Kuchma.

Craner's Republican-backed group used U.S. money to help Yushchenko arrange meetings with Vice President Dick Cheney, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and GOP leaders in Congress in February 2003.

The State Department gave the National Democratic Institute, a group of Democratic foreign policy experts, nearly $48 million for worldwide democracy-building programs last year. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is chairwoman of the institute's board of directors.

The institute says representatives of parties in all the blocs that participated in Ukraine's 2002 parliamentary elections have attended its seminars to learn skills such as writing party platforms, organizing bases of voter support and developing party structures. It also has been a main financial and administrative supporter of the Committee of Voters of Ukraine, an election watchdog group that said the presidential vote was not conducted fairly.

The institute also organized a 35-member team of election observers led by former federal appeals court Judge Abner Mikva for the Nov. 21 runoff vote. Craner's group sent its own team of observers.

The U.S. Agency for International Development also funds the Center for Ukrainian Reform Education, which produces radio and TV programs aiming to educate Ukrainian residents about reforming their nation's government and economy. The center also sponsors press clubs and education for journalists.



50-70 million dollars is pretty cheap way to send elections into turmoil:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1219-23.htm
U.S. Poured Millions into Ukraine, But State Dept. Denies Trying to Influence Vote

quote:

To hear officials in Washington tell it, the Bush administration was merely trying to support the burgeoning civil society in Ukraine when it funneled $57.8 million to the former Soviet republic over the last two years.

But the governments in Kiev and Moscow, using classic Cold War terms, have lambasted the United States for spending millions of dollars to influence Ukraine's presidential elections.

The complicated truth, analysts say, is that in Ukraine, where civil society has eroded over the last decade under the quasi-authoritarian, corrupt government of outgoing President Leonid Kuchma, the fine line between promoting democracy and meddling in the country's internal affairs often becomes blurred.

A number of U.S. government-sponsored and private organizations -- among them, the National Democratic Institute, Freedom House and U.S. Agency for International Development -- spent millions of American taxpayers' dollars to aid Ukrainian groups that eventually helped bring about the Orange Revolution. Thousands of protesters poured into the streets, leading to overturning suspect results favoring Ukraine's pro-Kremlin government candidate Viktor Yanukovych over Viktor Yushchenko, who was backed by the pro- Western opposition.

"Our candidate is the Ukrainian people, and we're supporting their right to a free and fair vote," said one State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity. The State Department spends about $1 billion a year to support pro-democracy activities worldwide.

Anatol Lieven, an expert on the former Soviet Union at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, says the donor organizations got caught up in the rift between those in Ukraine who staunchly support the country's increasingly authoritarian government and those who want the nation of 49 million people to become a Western-style democracy -- and are, by default, associated with the opposition.

As a result, supporting "a free and fair vote" inadvertently became tantamount to backing the opposition, Lieven said.

U.S. support of "voter education initiatives, youth activist groups and parallel counts has favored ... Yushchenko," said Pavel Erochkine, an expert on Ukraine at the Centre for Global Studies, a British think tank.

This has enraged Yanukovych, Ukraine's prime minister, who accused Washington of "financing Yushchenko's campaign."

What makes the United States particularly vulnerable to criticism of trying to manipulate Ukraine's elections is its position toward the former Soviet state, analysts say. The Bush administration sees Ukraine as a potential NATO member and a buffer zone between Russia and the West, while Russia seeks to re-establish its traditional hegemony over the Texas-size state.

Officials at American organizations that ran programs in Ukraine say their only political agenda was making the election democratic and fair.

"All the effort that has been made on the part of organizations like ours and on behalf of the U.S. government was to support the process, not an outcome," said Ken Wollack, president of the National Democratic Institute, which spent approximately $2 million training Ukrainians on how to organize political parties, how to monitor elections and, in coordination with Freedom House, bringing 1,000 election observers from 16 countries in the region.

Wollack said his institute offered training to individuals and political parties "across the political spectrum."

But groups and individuals who support the Ukrainian government and trust its ability to hold elections usually see no need in parallel counts and independent observers, and rarely apply and participate in such training, said Fiona Hill, an expert on the former Soviet Union at the Brookings Institution and former director for strategic planning at the Eurasia Foundation, a group that promotes democracy in the region.

"People self-select, and this self-selection is portrayed (by the Ukrainian government) as direction, that somebody is sitting in the State Department orchestrating all this," Hill said. "No, they're not. They are playing catch-up."

Election monitors trained by the National Democratic Institute "have been subject of intimidation and harassment over the years," Wollack said. "It's not easy when groups ... stand up and challenge actions by authorities, and expose improper behavior of authorities. They have courageously done that."

John Kubiniec, Freedom House's regional director for Central and Eastern Europe, said Ukrainian authorities have intimidated election observers his group had trained. Kubiniec also said employees of Freedom House's Kiev office are "being observed, our phones are tapped, our electronic communications monitored, and we are being followed."

Here, Ukraine might be following the example of Russia, where President Vladimir Putin, an ex-KGB spy who energetically supported Yanukovych, has said that groups promoting democracy that receive funds from overseas are foreign spy cells in disguise.

"Putin and Yanukovych come from a very Soviet political culture; they don't understand the concept of civil society," said Taras Kuzio, an expert on Ukraine at George Washington University who monitored the Nov. 21 election and will be an observer at the Dec. 26 rerun.

That gives all the more reason to the United States to continue funding projects that promote democracy in the region, said Rep. Tom Lantos, D-San Carlos, the ranking Democrat on the House International Relations Committee.

"All of this activity is undertaken to help create a more secure and stable world where the will of the people can be expressed through their governments," Lantos said. "This is not merely altruistic, but also in the interest of the United States."



Its only considered democratic if US, EU and British money and views are considered.

Oh wait ... Iraq ... hmmm


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Magnetonium, we get it already - you're Puta's b!tch. Will you SHUT THE F*CK UP already, ya annoying little c_nt? Read and stfu:

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/w...gin&oref=slogin

This is from NY Times, a notoriously anti-Bush paper, so, no excuses here.

quote:
With Tight Grip on Ballot, Putin Is Forcing Foes Out
By CLIFFORD J. LEVY
MOSCOW, Oct. 13 — Balloting for Parliament will be held across Russia in December, and this much is already clear: Vladimir A. Ryzhkov, who was first elected in the turbulent yet hopeful days after the Soviet Union’s fall and then blossomed into a fervent advocate for democracy, will lose.

So will Viktor V. Pokhmelkin, who used his seat to crusade against corruption in the police and other law enforcement agencies. Swept away, too, will be Anatoly A. Yermolin, a K.G.B. officer turned liberal stalwart who has been a lone voice in rebellion against President Vladimir V. Putin’s expansive power.

Nearly eight years after Mr. Putin took office and began tightening his control over all aspects of the Russian government, he will almost certainly with this election succeed in extinguishing the last embers of opposition in Parliament.

Strict new election rules adopted under Mr. Putin, combined with the Kremlin’s dominance over the news media and government agencies, are expected to propel the party that he created, United Russia, to a parliamentary majority even more overwhelming than its current one.

The system is so arrayed against all other parties that even some Putin allies have acknowledged that it harks back to the politics of the old days. Sergei M. Mironov, a staunch Putin supporter and the chairman of the upper house of Parliament, suggested recently that United Russia seemed to have been modeled on a certain forerunner.

“I think that the television broadcasts from the United Russia convention reminded a lot of people of long-forgotten pictures from the era of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union,” said Mr. Mironov, leader of another pro-Putin party, Just Russia.

Mr. Putin’s second presidential term expires next year, and under the Russian Constitution, he cannot run for a third consecutive term. At the lavishly choreographed convention of United Russia this month, he indicated that he would transfer his power base to the party and Parliament and could become prime minister next year. The announcement raised the stakes for the December election.

The president currently appoints and wields far more power than the prime minister, but that could change should Mr. Putin become prime minister. Some analysts are speculating that Mr. Putin may try to create a parliamentary system with a strong prime minister and the president as a largely ceremonial post, akin to the arrangement in countries like Italy or Israel.

Mr. Putin has high approval ratings, and whatever the political climate, Russians today have far more economic and social freedoms than existed under Communism. Many people would like Mr. Putin to remain president, giving him credit for the strong economy and stability of recent years. Still, it appears that he is leaving little to chance in the parliamentary races.

“This is the first time in post-Soviet history when only the Kremlin decides who can participate and who can’t,” Mr. Ryzhkov said. “The Kremlin decides which party can exist and which party cannot. For the first time in post-Soviet history, a wide specter of political forces cannot participate in this election. I call it selection before election.”

Mr. Ryzhkov’s party, the Republican Party, one of the oldest in post-Soviet Russia, was disbanded by the government this year after it was accused of not having enough support under the new rules. Mr. Ryzhkov said his party easily met the standard but said officials ignored the evidence in a sham proceeding.

First chosen in 1993, soon after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russian Parliament in its early years was a raucous center of power that often challenged the president at the time, Boris N. Yeltsin. In Mr. Putin’s first term, it sometimes retained that role, but Mr. Putin has steadily reined it in, and these days, it is considered little more than a sidekick of the Kremlin.

Mr. Putin has said the tougher election rules are in part intended to eliminate the fractious politics that he asserts are caused by a proliferation of small parties. In recent months, he has contended that he is a champion of multiparty democracy, though he has also said that the system needs time to develop.

“We cannot build Russia’s future by tying its many millions of citizens to just one person or group of people,” he said last month. “We will not be able to build anything lasting unless we put in place a real and effectively functioning multiparty system and develop a civil society that will protect society and the state from mistakes and wrong actions on the part of those in power.”

In the last parliamentary election, in 2003, half of the 450 seats in the lower house of Parliament, called the Duma, were allocated according to geographic districts, and half were allotted based on party support. (Members of the less powerful upper house, known as the Federation Council, are appointed.)

The 2003 election was also heavily skewed in favor of United Russia, political analysts said, and the party swept to victory.

Even so, liberal and independent lawmakers were able to retain a toehold.

They won a handful of races by mounting grass-roots campaigns in geographic districts, allowing them to form one of the last bastions of opposition to Mr. Putin inside the government. Among the victors were Mr. Ryzhkov, from Siberia, and Mr. Pokhmelkin, from Perm, in the Ural Mountains region in Russia’s center.

After the election, saying that he was responding to several acts of terrorism in Russia, Mr. Putin declared that the government structure needed to be centralized to unify the country. He pushed through legislation that abolished geographic districts in parliamentary elections and did away with elections for regional governors.

In the parliamentary election on Dec. 2, Russians will vote only for parties, not for candidates. What is more, parties now need 7 percent of the national vote to gain seats in Parliament, up from 5 percent. They also need to submit proof that they have at least 50,000 members to be recognized as official parties, up from 10,000.

It now seems possible that United Russia’s advantages are so great that it will be the only party to surpass 7 percent. In that case, the Constitution requires at least one other party in Parliament, so some token seats will be allocated to the second most popular one.

Andrew C. Kuchins, director of the Russia program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said the liberal opposition was vulnerable because its leaders had quarreled and failed to present a united front. He said Mr. Putin seemed to want to establish United Russia as a force that would long dominate Russia, akin to the governing parties in Japan or Mexico in the 20th century.

“Putin has methodically over the last seven years been reducing the power of any other locus in the system that is independent,” Mr. Kuchins said. “This is the final nail in the coffin. And it doesn’t look like that coffin is going to get opened anytime soon.”

Mr. Putin’s allies said United Russia was winning elections not because the rules were biased, but because the public approved of Mr. Putin and valued the nation’s new strength. They said Russians looked askance at the example of Ukraine, the neighbor to the west, where three leading parties have been closely matched and have regularly feuded over the last three years.

“For Russians, the Ukrainian scenario is terrifying,” said Igor Y. Dyomin, a spokesman for United Russia in Parliament.

Mr. Pokhmelkin, the member from Perm who is almost certain to lose his seat, said he had been increasingly marginalized in recent years, and sometimes even barred by United Russia from making speeches in Parliament. He said that he tried to prod the Kremlin on issues like police corruption and the rights of motorists, but that it was largely futile.

“The Parliament has been brought down to the level of a servant, serving the ruling bureaucracy,” he said. “And there cannot be any other assessment.”

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Pffft. I was expecting more from you in response than just a lowsy NY Times article (which is bullshit BTW). Here's why:

First, I noticed several times in the article the very vague terms, i.e. "Strict new election rules" = WTF? Cant they get any more vague than that?

Plus, seriously, there are MANY parties in Russia, from nationalist to communist to ultra-Boris Yeltsin-liberal, actually about TWELVE parties will be participating in the elections, and DUH, not all will be able to beat the minimum requirement of 7% to get into the Parliament.

No matter how much bullshit you continue to spill out of your mouth, at least a half of Russians will support United Russia party because it has done more than all other parties before them. Communists and neo-liberals have failed miserably. Nationalist parties like Rodina and LDPR are too dam crazy and vague with their agenda. Putin, whether you like to admit it or deny it, has turned Russia around for good. You are a one naive bastard to believe that centuries of turmoil will make Russia a happy peachy state in one term. PLUS, look who's really whining - mostly foreigners. Russians in the country right now have 80% approval of Putin. To tell you the truth, we dont really give a shit and two focks about what the West thinks.

About Putin's announcement that he would like to remain in politics - WTF is wrong with that? He will not be breaking ANY laws or the Constitution. He will simply help out the new leader to continue the reforms and economic, political progress, as an advisor or even prime minister - HE WON'T BE BREAING ANY LAWS. PERIOD. Any elections monitoring agency will tell you that Putin's endorsements will win, because Russian people have faith and trust in Putin(because he's done for them more than anyone before them). I was sceptical of Putin when he came to power as well, I was critical and supported LDPR. 7 years later, I can see that I was wrong. Just look at the statistics. Russian culture and society is much different from the West. Therefore, its politically incorrect to judge Russians using stereotypes and Russophobic attitudes. Which some Westerners are pretty good at.

The media is so Russophobic ... "his control over all aspects of the Russian government" is a harsher way to describe a simple "cleaning up the government's act and clamping down on corruption and mismanagement". The West always like to portray Russia as an enemy. Well, if it keeps you asleep at night, well then, you can keep that view.

I find it funny that the article you provided gave absolutely no credit to Putin for the amazing achievements he made during his 8 years in office. I am sure you dont have any idea on that.

Please, give me a FACT that says that Putin's ways in office have broken the constitution or been undemocratic. Please, facts, not just some lame journalist opinions. One thing though, you might be partially right about the media clampdown in Russia as I always viewed the NTV takeover with suspicion and criticism, but the media in the West has its many problems and bias, too.

Look, in 1993 LDPR, the nationalist party won nearly a third of popular vote. Today they have about 10%. And Zhirinovskiy wasnt persecuted, jailed or pushed by the government because of his views. He simply was smart and conducted his political aspirations and electoral campaigns according to the law.

Kasparov and the gang, the reason why people like them were arrested and beaten up is because they took up to the streets without their marches being sanctioned, co-ordinated or approved by the authorities, these radicals cut off traffic, disrupted business and everyday life to people (making it hell) and deliberately forced the police to use force when they refused to stop the illegal march. The same would happen in Canada, too. If you dont get approval from local authorities to carry out your march and co-ordinate it with police and local people/business, you dont send kids into the meat grinder by provoking the police to stop the illegal march. Without authorities and police securing the march zone historically marches can easily spiral into violence, looting and altercation with the population who might not support their views.

Just like in Moscow few months back, gay parade was not approved, so the gays decided to carry it out anyways, and to make things worse, they went through couple city blocks and without their knowledge got too close to the nationalist rally and things got out of control and some people ended up with bleeding foreheads and handcuffs. Because those idiots defied the law and common sense. Gays on purpose chose the busiest and most hostile to them environment to showcase themselves, i.e. force their agenda on the population who didnt want to see it.


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