God!....what BS. Al Gore shouldn't have ever won the Nobel Peace Prize. What about all the doctors in Doctors without Borders(DWB) who are in places like Darfur who are giving care to thousands of patients and the doctors are doing it for free? Bet you won't ever see neophono there....

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Look, bitch about the science all that you want. If you (and to be honest, I've seen that while our ideas are different, you, unlike so many others are not completely stupid) don't understand why under the logic under which he won doesn't qualify, let me easily explain: Global warming as proposed by Gore = increased temps ->melting ice->heightened ocean levels->COASTAL FLOODING->REFUGEES =/= Peace. When you're home becomes uninhabitable, you're fighting for your life and unsurprisingly, you'll fuck anyone over to live. Areas of chaos are the most fertile breeding grounds for fighting (AKA, non-peace). For a dumbed down version, just look at New Orleans after Katrina. That in itself should make us fear that type of situation far more than we fear terrorist attacks. Can you imagine that sort of disaster in New York, DC, Miami, LA, San Francisco, Seattle and shitloads of other coastal areas? That in itself, if we actually cared about Americans, should make us want to realistically look at how to prevent such a disaster. But we don't. All of those cities that I listed are full of liberal scum, that to be honest, we'd all be better off without because they're not REAL Americans, right? Look, I'm not saying that all of the science regarding global warming is certain. I'm saying that if you people, most of whom believe in God without question or logic, don't believe in global warming because "it's just a theory" or "the science isn't definite" and you're wrong, we're all fucked, because we don't have the 100s of years of data that some people require for definite conclusions. If we actually try to reduce our waste and consumption, what's the problem? Are you pissed because we shouldn't drive SUVs that waste energy so that our fat soccer moms feel safe? I'd think that energy dependency would be on the top priority list for the GOP, as it would give us a reason to end fighting, but it's not, because fighting is profitable. Honestly, has anyone really given a reason to oppose reducing global emissions, besides that some of our most profitable companies, like Exxon, will make 1% less? Even if warming isn't the problem, do we all think that the smog levels are healthy? Oh, but really, go fuck yourself Al Gore. You were involved in politics at one time. As a result, even if you were campaigning against someone who killed Michelle Malkin's parents, you're still a scumbag that can't be trusted and as such, you should deal with a life of condemnation from Rush and the Viagra cronies.

I was under the impression that the coasts would gradually be overtaken by water, not by a big flood overnight, causing chaos.

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Originally posted by eROs.au I was under the impression that the coasts would gradually be overtaken by water, not by a big flood overnight, causing chaos.

You mean like New Orleans and Thailand in 2005? Warmer water increases the likelihood of hurricanes and monsoons.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Global warming as proposed by Gore = increased temps ->melting ice->heightened ocean levels->COASTAL FLOODING->REFUGEES =/= Peace. When you're home becomes uninhabitable, you're fighting for your life and unsurprisingly, you'll fuck anyone over to live. Areas of chaos are the most fertile breeding grounds for fighting (AKA, non-peace).

I'm not so sure this quantum jump in logic is quite that clear to anyone and certainly still doesn't fit in the framework set by the criteria though

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Firestarter, I trully think denying global warming is like denying the halocaust. There is no debate as the occurance of global warming and an over 90% probability that it is human caused... I don't know why you would rather listen to Sean Hannity of Rush Limbaugh rather than to objective scientists with no political bias to alter their findings.

What incentive resource plundering corporations have to accept global warming? None. It's like the tobacco lobby of the 90's who denied the harmful effects of cigarette smoking.

The northwest passage in the arctic will become completely open of ice in less than 100 years, and countries like Russia, Denmark, Canada, UK, Norway, and of course the US are staking their claim on the resources that will become accesible because the ice is disappearing...

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6995999.stm

Warming 'opens Northwest Passage'
Satellite photo of ice cover over Arctic poll - 2007 (Source: European Space Agency)
The most direct shipping route from Europe to Asia is fully clear of ice for the first time since records began, the European Space Agency (Esa) says.

Historically, the Northwest Passage linking the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans has been ice-bound through the year.

But the agency says ice cover has been steadily shrinking, and this summer's reduction has made the route navigable.

The findings, based on satellite images, raised concerns about the speed of global warming.

'Extreme'

The Northwest Passage is one of the most fabled sea routes in the world - a short cut from Europe to Asia through the Canadian Arctic.

Recent years have seen a marked shrinkage in its ice cover, but this year it was extreme, Esa says.

It says this made the passage "fully navigable" for the first time since monitoring began in 1978.

"We have seen the ice-covered area drop to just around 3m sq km (1.2m sq miles)," Leif Toudal Pedersen of the Danish National Space Centre said.

He said it was "about 1m sq km (386,000 sq miles) less than the previous minima of 2005 and 2006".

"There has been a reduction of the ice cover over the last 10 years of about 100, 000 sq km (38,600 sq miles) per year on average, so a drop of 1m sq km (386,000 sq miles) in just one year is extreme," Mr Pedersen said.

The Northeast Passage through the Russian Arctic has also seen its ice cover shrink and it currently "remains only partially blocked," Esa says.

'Battle for Arctic'

Scientists have linked the changes to global warming which may be progressing faster than expected.

The opening of the sea routes is already leading to international disputes.

Canada says it has full rights over those parts of the Northwest Passage that pass through its territory and that it can bar transit there.

But this has been disputed by the US and the European Union.

They argue that the new route should be an international strait that any vessel can use.

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If only I had time to pull up all the resources and organization to join in the discussion. I love how people conveniently ignore this chart:

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Plus, cant ignore the fact that pretty much every planet is affected by the increasing solar activity (resulting in warming)

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...un-climate.html
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http://environment.newscientist.com...-change/dn11650
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6290228.stm

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Originally posted by Krypton Firestarter, I trully think denying global warming is like denying the halocaust. There is no debate as the occurance of global warming and an over 90% probability that it is human caused... I don't know why you would rather listen to Sean Hannity of Rush Limbaugh rather than to objective scientists with no political bias to alter their findings. What incentive resource plundering corporations have to accept global warming? None. It's like the tobacco lobby of the 90's who denied the harmful effects of cigarette smoking. The northwest passage in the arctic will become completely open of ice in less than 100 years, and countries like Russia, Denmark, Canada, UK, Norway, and of course the US are staking their claim on the resources that will become accesible because the ice is disappearing... ------------------------------------------------- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6995999.stm Warming 'opens Northwest Passage' Satellite photo of ice cover over Arctic poll - 2007 (Source: European Space Agency) The most direct shipping route from Europe to Asia is fully clear of ice for the first time since records began, the European Space Agency (Esa) says. Historically, the Northwest Passage linking the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans has been ice-bound through the year. But the agency says ice cover has been steadily shrinking, and this summer's reduction has made the route navigable. The findings, based on satellite images, raised concerns about the speed of global warming. 'Extreme' The Northwest Passage is one of the most fabled sea routes in the world - a short cut from Europe to Asia through the Canadian Arctic. Recent years have seen a marked shrinkage in its ice cover, but this year it was extreme, Esa says. It says this made the passage "fully navigable" for the first time since monitoring began in 1978. "We have seen the ice-covered area drop to just around 3m sq km (1.2m sq miles)," Leif Toudal Pedersen of the Danish National Space Centre said. He said it was "about 1m sq km (386,000 sq miles) less than the previous minima of 2005 and 2006". "There has been a reduction of the ice cover over the last 10 years of about 100, 000 sq km (38,600 sq miles) per year on average, so a drop of 1m sq km (386,000 sq miles) in just one year is extreme," Mr Pedersen said. The Northeast Passage through the Russian Arctic has also seen its ice cover shrink and it currently "remains only partially blocked," Esa says. 'Battle for Arctic' Scientists have linked the changes to global warming which may be progressing faster than expected. The opening of the sea routes is already leading to international disputes. Canada says it has full rights over those parts of the Northwest Passage that pass through its territory and that it can bar transit there. But this has been disputed by the US and the European Union. They argue that the new route should be an international strait that any vessel can use.

Nobody is denying the change in the Earth's climate here.
What is being questioned is:
a) Al's winning of the Nobel Peace Prize (WTF?) and
b) The science that is pushing Al's agenda.

Yes, man has a hand in it but it's not this huge assumption that Gore is making.

Let's learn some science shall we?

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
>>Myths of Global Warming<< <-- from 1997!
>>Scientists Debunk 'Global Warming' Effect on Hurricanes<<
>>Debunking Modern Climate Myths<<
>>Science Has Spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth<<
>>The Global Warming Folly<<

Checked their sources; these aren't people with an 'agenda' and they certainly aren't in the big oil corporations back pockets, so why would their be so many questioning the all Mighty Gore?
Because his movie is chalk full of innuendos (Hurricane Katrina caused by Man? Nope.), computer models and specialists who are not climate experts.
The science is NOT unanimous despite Gore raising his hand and making it so and then the zealots creating their own inquisition on anyone questioning him and his 'science'.

Some more:

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Climate Science: Climate Change and Its Impacts Climate Science: Climate Change and Its Impacts NCPA Study No. 285 Monday, May 15, 2006 View as PDF Get Adobe Acrobat Reader Get Adobe Reader by David R. Legates, Ph.D., C.C.M. 1. Executive Summary 2. Introduction 3. Computer Models Are Unreliable Due to Faulty Data and Unsound Assumptions 4. Natural Climate Variables Ignored by Alarmists 5. Conclusion: Links between Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Severe Climate Impacts Are Tenuous 6. Notes 7. About the Author Executive Summary Scientific debate continues regarding the extent to which human activities contribute to global warming and what the potential impact on the environment might be. Importantly, much of the scientific evidence contradicts assertions that substantial global warming is likely to occur soon and that the predicted warming will harm the Earth's biosphere. The Earth's climate began a warming trend after the "Little Ice Age" ended in the mid-1800s, long before global industrial development led to substantial increases in greenhouse gases beginning in the middle of the 20th century. About half of the warming during the 20th century occurred prior to the 1940s, and natural variability accounts for all or nearly all of the warming. To assess future climate trends, climatologists rely upon General Circulation Models (GCMs) that attempt to describe Earth's climate. The many climate models in use vary widely with respect to the variables they include and in the assumptions they make about how those variables interact. Yet some official reports, including the U.S. National Assessment published in 2000, report only the most extreme predictions, ignoring others that project only moderate warming in the 21st century. Global warming alarmists have attributed increases in hurricanes, floods, droughts, tornadoes, hail storms and heat waves to global warming caused by human activities. However, the evidence does not support their claims. In recent months, for instance: * The unprecedented destruction caused by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita was blamed on climate change — but experts say recent, more powerful storms are part of a natural cycle, and greater hurricane damage in North America is due to increased coastal populations and development rather than more severe storms. * Similar claims have been made about other weather phenomena in North America ; but, in fact, there is no evidence of an increase in the frequency or severity of floods, droughts, tropical cyclones, tornadoes, hail storms or other severe weather events. Some have attempted to link the present warming trend to secondary effects, such as species extinction. However, the relationship between species extinction and climate change is even more tenuous. For example: * Recent claims that polar bear populations are threatened by global warming ignore the fact that only two polar bear populations are declining, others are increasing in numbers and the majority have stable populations. * Recent claims that coral reefs are "bleaching" (losing color and dying off) due to warming oceans ignore the evidence that bleaching appears to be a healthy response in which corals expel one symbiotic species of algae for a better-adapted species that allows corals to thrive in warmer waters. It has also been claimed that low-lying coastal areas are endangered due to rises in sea level as the Arctic pack ice, glaciers and the mile-thick Greenland Ice Sheet melt in a warming climate. However, the evidence does not show this is occurring: * The fact that parts of the Arctic Ocean are ice-free in the summer is said to be evidence that sea ice and the pack ice along the Arctic coast are disappearing; but changing wind patterns pushing the ice around, not rising temperatures, are responsible for navigable Arctic waters. * In Alaska, home to many glaciers, several decades of increasingly colder temperatures in the middle of the 20th century preceded a more recent return to the average temperatures of the early 20th century. * Temperatures at the peak of the Greenland Ice Sheet show it is actually growing colder. * Sea levels have been rising — in fact, they have been rising since the end of the last ice age 20,000 years ago — but there is no evidence of an accelerating trend. The complexity of the climate and the limitations of data and computer models mean projections of future climate change are unreliable at best. In sum, the science does not support claims of drastic increases in global temperatures over the 21st century, nor does it support claims of human influence on weather events and other secondary effects of climate change.

The science is above in the links provided.
>>Source<<

Where were all these papers and legitimate climate scientists in Gore's film?

Let's not forget his own 'carbon footprint' of flying around in private jets, large SUVs and a monster house that eats enough hydro for 5 regular houses.
He 'buys' carbon credits to offset himself? What a load of bunk. Like that magically erased everything he just did or something; or that's what we're lead to believe.
I can under a large corporation buying credits but an individual?
I thought the mantra was to change our ways?
I guess it's ok if we just buy carbon credits...

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