it's not easy balancing an economy. as inflation rises - unemployment drops so keeping them in their respective benchmarks is always going to be tough.

it's hard to give anyone the right answer as both parties have different views and policies so pick which one best suits you.

what about the greens?

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Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic well if the interest rates are going up coz of a strong economy, then i guess he can have it both ways.

no, he cant lather the Lib party up with praise for some things, and then blame some of the other issues on externalities.

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i dunno why people constantly bring it up, yeah he talked a bit of shit, but interest rates aren't the worst of johnnie's crimes

agreed.

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debate something useful, gimme ideas you lazy shits, i need help deciding

how about the fact that those on AWA's have fewer benefits, fewer penalty rates, and lower wages than those on collective agreements?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, he cant lather the Lib party up with praise for some things, and then blame some of the other issues on externalities.

He's a politician, they all do it.

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Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic He's a politician, they all do it.

I'm not a politician...you never know

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Originally posted by Lister Cooray it's not easy balancing an economy. as inflation rises - unemployment drops so keeping them in their respective benchmarks is always going to be tough. it's hard to give anyone the right answer as both parties have different views and policies so pick which one best suits you. what about the greens?

If you do it the way Costello has it is!! to quote what I put elsewhere, Costello " How much money do we need to have a surplus?? Ok, what can we sell that gives us that much?? Let's just throw in a few little taxes here to make our surplus look really good."

They had good surpluses because they taxed us too much. and they are admitting it!! Very generously giving it back. What there's an election on!!. Well I would never have noticed.

Pretty simple really. Sorry Dean!!

I don't think that having 650,000 households suffering from mortgage stress is doing all that well. It's not just a matter of interest rates, most people do know they are set by the RBA but a lot of the loss of housing affordability is due to what this government either has or hasn't done.

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Originally posted by Lister Cooray I would rather stick to someone who is doing well and who has done so for 10 years

And the things that have been done well are?

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Originally posted by Lister Cooray I would rather stick to someone who is doing well and who has done so for 10 years

Piss weak argument.

Did you ever pull your head out of your ass and think about why the liberal party have had success?

Keating lost his position because the economic figures didn't impress people. Naturally, the ignorant Australian public took this on face value and voted in Howard. The reality is, business cycles apply to whole economies too. Smart economic planning involves the planning of recession when it is best for you, because it is going to happen regardless.

I have 100% confidence in Keating's economic management. The problem was that he took one for the team and did the right thing by Australia, but it cost him his position. He underestimated the stupidity of Australians.

Let's look at the three main things Keating did:
1. Floated the Australian dollar
2. Built strong ties with other countries in the asia pacific
3. Removed protectionist barriers (bringing us closer to "free" trade)

All these things had a detrimental effect on the Australian economy in the short term, but obviously no one is smart enough to think that it was done for a reason. They needed to be done. To be part of the modern world, you can't have your currency based on the gold standard or some other stupid base. People also whinged and moaned about the removal of protection; "mum and pop corner shops are being outcompeted by indians!". Absolutely retarded. Incase you didn't know, people are actually embracing free trade. Hell, we have an FTA with America. If anyone is going to swallow our economy, it is them.

What is the biggest source of success for the Liberal party?

THE RESOURCE BOOM.

Guess what that means? Selling Australian resources to foreign countries (floated dollar and removal of protectionist barriers apply here), most of which goes towards asian countries (stronger ties built apply here). People were very critical of Keatings decisions. It looks like he made fools of them.

Would you have rathered Keating's minor recession occurred before or during the resource boom? If you have half a brain, before is the right answer.

What has the Liberal government done?
1. Fucked up public health
2. Fucked up workers rights
3. Given tax cuts to high income earners
4. Trying to fuck up public education (so far largely unsuccessful)

What's the worst thing Liberals have done?

ARTIFICIALLY INFLATED PROPERTY MARKETS.

Of course, this is impossible to prove, but the bubble was supposed to have burst 2 years ago. It hasn't. No doubt Liberal are going to leave Labour in the shit and then blame it on them when everyone is paying twice as much on their mortgages. I'd go as far to say that it would be better for the reputation of the Liberal party NOT to get in this election.

Next problem? Oh..

LETS GET INTO NUCLEAR POWER!

Fantastic idea. Lets just dump all that waste in the middle of Australia and let it degrade for the next... thousand years. The rationalists among you are probably trying to argue that it has a less detrimental impact on the environment than what we do already. This is true, I agree whole heartedly. BUT, it is stupid not to consider the oppourtunity cost; how much money do you think the government can/will put into trying to develop alternative energy sources after they spend all that money on a nuke? I'll tell you now, bringing in nuclear power means no chance of alternative energy. I would rather take the risk.

IMO, Australia needs a Labor government, to reverse all the bullshit the Liberals have done.

The biggest problem is that everyone is ignorant and just votes for whoever their parents vote for. Be a big boy/girl and try to educate yourself plz. For the record, I don't think Labor are perfect. In fact, they are far from perfect. However, I see them as the lesser of two evils.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

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Originally posted by echosystm Piss weak argument. Did you ever pull your head out of your ass and think about why the liberal party have had success?

Way to get people to read your, actually very well constructed, post!!

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Originally posted by DIDI Way to get people to read your, actually very well constructed, post!!

its unaustralian
what we need is....

I'm waiting for some retard to come in and say...

"Why should half my salary go towards paying for unemployed people? The Liberal party are about MORALS and ETHICS and fairness."

That one always makes me lol.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

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Originally posted by echosystm I'm waiting for some retard to come in and say... "Why should half my salary go towards paying for unemployed people? The Liberal party are about MORALS and ETHICS and fairness." That one always makes me lol.

That's one I haven't heard! You shouldn't be giving people bad ideas!