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Originally posted by Krypton I believe there is a super-intelligence outside of our own reality that could have "designed" the laws of nature. But, we'll never scientifically know because this "being" exists outside of space and time, unobservable to us, unmeasurable. I agree ID is not scientific. It is more of a philosophy more than a science. That's where I think the ID debate belongs, not science. IDer's go into their "research" already biased towards the existance of "god". Scientists really can't do that going into an experiment. But as a philosophy, it's something I believe. I also believe humans are sensitive a higher plane of existance, call it heaven, call it whatever you like.. I'm not a bible-thumping evangelical though..

how can you "believe" in anything without the slimmest amount of evidence?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN america is the only country that takes IDing seriously, and only because there's too many moronic christians in that country.

Easy there atheist... generalize much?

If I said there's too many boomerang slinging, kangaroo chasing, crocodile wrestling idiots in Australia, I'd just sound stupid.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN how can you "believe" in anything without the slimmest amount of evidence?

Well, when I observe the universe and study how it works, I see mathematical design, sophistication from sub-quantum to cosmic scales, and perfection in its operation. Like clockwork every component of the universe, down from the smallest of energies/particles/waves to galaxy clusters and black holes, ticks and tocks towards the darkness of the future universe, as the Anthropic Principle takes its course. I'm also fascinated by the cosmological constants (CC). If the values of the CC diverge, our matter would never form, etc.

Listen, it's a philosophical view of the standard model of the universe. I'm not gonna shove it in anyones face, but it's just how I see the world.

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Originally posted by Krypton I believe there is a super-intelligence outside of our own reality that could have "designed" the laws of nature. But, we'll never scientifically know because this "being" exists outside of space and time, unobservable to us, unmeasurable. I agree ID is not scientific. It is more of a philosophy more than a science. That's where I think the ID debate belongs, not science. IDer's go into their "research" already biased towards the existance of "god". Scientists really can't do that going into an experiment. But as a philosophy, it's something I believe. I also believe humans are sensitive a higher plane of existance, call it heaven, call it whatever you like.. I'm not a bible-thumping evangelical though..

I like the way you think.

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Originally posted by Cipha Sounds Easy there atheist... generalize much?

no, not at all.

The USA IS the only country where ID is taken seriously, and that IS because of too many moronic christians.

note, i didnt say all christians are moronic, nor that there are "a lot" of moronic christians; but given that ID is still talked about in that country, obviously there are "too many".

are you going to argue with me that religion isnt a powerful issue in the US? please.

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If I said there's too many boomerang slinging, kangaroo chasing, crocodile wrestling idiots in Australia, I'd just sound stupid.

well, if there were kangaroo chasing crocodile wrestling idiots in australia, then yes, that would be "too many".

reading comprehension mate.

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Originally posted by Krypton Well, when I observe the universe and study how it works, I see mathematical design, sophistication from sub-quantum to cosmic scales, and perfection in its operation. Like clockwork every component of the universe, down from the smallest of energies/particles/waves to galaxy clusters and black holes, ticks and tocks towards the darkness of the future universe, as the Anthropic Principle takes its course. Listen, it's a philosophical view of the standard model of the universe. I'm not gonna shove it in anyones face, but it's just how I see the world.

its a tautology. of course the universe functions according to mathematic "design". can you ever envisage a universe that is both stable AND chaotic? of course not. a universe capable of sustaining itself (and life) would HAVE to be ordered. it doesn't follow that the order was created by some higher being.

im not saying youre shoving anything in anybody's face, im just questioning the logic of believing in "out there" notions without any evidence.

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I will light a candle and chant a prayer for you Pkc. May god have mercy on your soul.

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Originally posted by Cipha Sounds If I said there's too many boomerang slinging, kangaroo chasing, crocodile wrestling idiots in Australia, I'd just sound stupid.

not really. you sound stupid most of the time and you don't even say that.

Itchy

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Originally posted by Cipha Sounds I will light a candle and chant a prayer for you Pkc. May god have mercy on your soul.

hahaha, you cheeky cvnt.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN its a tautology. of course the universe functions according to mathematic "design". can you ever envisage a universe that is both stable AND chaotic? of course not. a universe capable of sustaining itself (and life) would HAVE to be ordered. it doesn't follow that the order was created by some higher being. im not saying youre shoving anything in anybody's face, im just questioning the logic of believing in "out there" notions without any evidence.

Well, I believe that the order you talk about is not a coincidence. I believe that order can not spontaneously exist, but had to be created. Albeit by a super-intelligence capable of making Einstein look like a kindergarten student. The logic is..

Order requires and orderer..

Your worldview seems 100% based on what our 5 senses can detect. What about all the stuff we have no idea about? Things we can't detect, realities beyond our comprehension, outside of our own dimensions. We know they exist, but the laws of physics limits our observations to inside our "container" we call the universe where we physically will remain isolated forever from the outside.

That's where philosophy and religion make their uses.

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Originally posted by DJ Itchy Tits not really. you sound stupid most of the time and you don't even say that. Itchy

Another alt to add on the ignore list. Why would you even waste your time posting this. Did you actually think you could get through to me. I've just wasted 18 seconds typing this.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN hahaha, you cheeky cvnt.

You had me at hello.