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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy 3 people were stabbed outside of Mars 2112 on 52nd and Broadway on Saturday night, too. I don't think anyone died, but some of them were stabbed numerous times - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/26/n...mbrfs-STAB.html

Well anyone hanging out at Mars 2112 shoudl be stabbed

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby And I think statements like: "people who are partly to blame for their own demise..." is thinking way too much in black-and-white terms like you always do.

Why? I'm not saying anyone deserves to get killed but you can't tell me that people's actions have no effect on what happens to them.

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Originally posted by ProggieGuy Why? I'm not saying anyone deserves to get killed but you can't tell me that people's actions have no effect on what happens to them.

I agree with you 100% in that statement^^. I am just saying that some people (not *just* jerz) act like everything is black and white, when in fact MOST things in life have an in between. There are a lot of people that are the victims of violence who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or as a result of getting in the way of the intended crime, accidents, knowing/being around the wrong people, trying to survive for whatever reason (which is why a lot of crime occurs in the first place).....etc etc (whatever the case may be).

what IF this fight WAS the result of two women's fight and this dude just happened to get caught up in something he had nothing to do with? Not to mention, if you are gonna bring up drugs, there are 500000000 people on this board and in the edm community that use/sell drugs. But if some NYU kid selling/using ecstacy in PACHA was killed, it would be a MUCH bigger headline than the kid selling crack trying to put food on his table in the south bronx, because no one gives a fuck about THAT guy.....when in fact I personally believe that selling drugs to survive/eat/provide shelter/etc.... is slightly more reasonable than selling drugs when you already have tons of money in the bank and you just wanna have "fun" with it.

^^the point of my quickly written response (sorry if its frazzled and all over the place: i'm late for work) is that there are 500000 reasons why people might get caught up in violence and who the hell are we to assume what sort of reasons it occured.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby I agree with you 100% in that statement^^. I am just saying that some people (not *just* jerz) act like everything is black and white, when in fact MOST things in life have an in between. There are a lot of people that are the victims of violence who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or as a result of getting in the way of the intended crime, accidents, knowing/being around the wrong people, trying to survive for whatever reason (which is why a lot of crime occurs in the first place).....etc etc (whatever the case may be).

Agreed.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby what IF this fight WAS the result of two women's fight and this dude just happened to get caught up in something he had nothing to do with? Not to mention, if you are gonna bring up drugs, there are 500000000 people on this board and in the edm community that use/sell drugs. But if some NYU kid selling/using ecstacy in PACHA was killed, it would be a MUCH bigger headline than the kid selling crack trying to put food on his table in the south bronx, because no one gives a fuck about THAT guy.....when in fact I personally believe that selling drugs to survive/eat/provide shelter/etc.... is slightly more reasonable than selling drugs when you already have tons of money in the bank and you just wanna have "fun" with it.

It may very well have been a result of some random fight and I truly do feel bad that this guy got killed either way...but chances are it wasn't. I live in Philly and trust me there have been plenty of murders here but for the most part you have to really put yourself in the wrong situation to have anything happen to you. I'm not going to comment on the "why" part of drug dealing because that doesn't really have anything to do with my argument.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby ^^the point of my quickly written response (sorry if its frazzled and all over the place: i'm late for work) is that there are 500000 reasons why people might get caught up in violence and who the hell are we to assume what sort of reasons it occured.

Who are we? We are just people at work who don't feel like doing our jobs for a few minutes and enjoy making social commentary and having some friendly banter.

Just thugs being thugs. Obviously, this guy must have done something to get stabbed. I dont believe "he just got caught in the middle of it" No matter how much money these guys have they the ghetto will never come out of them.

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Originally posted by DirtyDave Well anyone hanging out at Mars 2112 shoudl be stabbed

Haven't been there, but it caught my eye because it's 2 blocks away from my apartment.

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Originally posted by DirtyDave Well anyone hanging out at Mars 2112 shoudl be stabbed

i was there a few weeks ago for the massive b party with bobby konders and jabba. my genitals were subjected to 4th degree molestations unseen since funk flex was spinning mecca sundays at the tunnel.

booyaka booyaka.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby . There are a lot of people that are the victims of violence who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or as a result of getting in the way of the intended crime,

Fucking tell me about it..From the age of 15 to 32 I was stabbed 5 times on 3 separate occasions and I got ran over by a car...

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Duvet has gotten so ghetto nowadays, used to be okay when EastSide productions were throwing parties there, but nowadays it resembles a Little Weezy and Young Cheezy video... not surprising this shit happens all the time in the city. No wonder there is always a constant crackdown here in the city.

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Originally posted by steven-neil Fucking tell me about it..From the age of 15 to 32 I was stabbed 5 times on 3 separate occasions and I got ran over by a car...

Dont forget the time Mike tried to sink you in your canoe....and that was after 32

Christ Steve, you must be a damm Cat with 9 lives, I need to buy you many beers..wow..

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Originally posted by Uncle ED Dont forget the time Mike tried to sink you in your canoe....and that was after 32 Christ Steve, you must be a damm Cat with 9 lives, I need to buy you many beers..wow..

Theyre all funny stories..Ill fill you in at Tyas...

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby jerz, I do not need you to justify or rationalize why this happens.....I know why it does, I was just stating my opinion. And I think statements like: "people who are partly to blame for their own demise..." is thinking way too much in black-and-white terms like you always do. You are a fairly intelligent guy, but there is a gray area that you constantly forget to inject into your own statements. Because of that, this makes people (myslef included) take you less seriously.

instead of thinking you know the answer because you of some gut feeling, try reading about it. just because you feel something or because there are outlying situations doesn't mean that is the norm.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World...5753276537.html

and

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7109893.stm

i don't mean any of that in an offensive way, it's just people say too many things because they think its true without any support. there's really nothing grey here. if you know anything about crime, most of it happens between people who know each other, and for a specific reason. most crime is not random.