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Originally posted by ams.rld More people is not a good thing haven't you ever been to a really large poor country like India or Pakistan or China? You need a good education and than you will be lucky to earning a hundred dollars a month. My father works for Reliance in Jamnagar, India. All the people who work in the refinery are chemical engineers even at the little jobs like control room. here in the states the control room people are high school educated. And than they have at least a team of engineers telling them what buttons to push. The average wage for a chemical engineer is 4-500 dollars but still that isn't even reality. Plus you would think gas is cheap but it isn't and the cars aren't cheap either. Oh, and the construction workers are as young as ten and they work six days a week from sunrise to sundown. They only get out early on sundays and that is it. More people equals more problems regardless of how wealthy a nation's GDP is.

what are you talking about? India's high population has been beneficial for their country and the U.S. China has also proven that due to such a high level of population, their GDP is relatively higher than India's and gradually increasing every year. In addition, the U.S is also outsourcing most of the I.T work to places like India and China and most of the people that work in such companies have great english skills and learn new tasks easily. You should read "The World is Flat" by Thomas L. Friedman.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Once you have enough food to feed everybody (which is certainly a problem for some places), more kids = bigger labor force = more inventions and more robust industries. Education is certainly part of it, too, since you need a skilled labor force to progress, not just a bunch of illiterate farmers. The real problem is that too many countries are bogged down with tons of regulations and oppressive rule by dictators. Human initiative needs breathing room to flourish, and the rulers of many poor countries prefer to suffocate their own citizens for personal gain. Pretty much every country has something that other countries want, whether it's cheap labor or raw resources or whatever. If people are allowed to make consensual trades with whomever they please, they eventually find ways to prosper once they get past the "starvation" threshold.

education as in "school education" is just part of the education i am talking about. sexual education, financial stability education are all problems in third world countries. you think poverty would be solved if you took a bunch of professors and thought poeple math and science?

opressive rule of dictatorship is not a problem for that many countires, and actually the countries work hand in hand with organizations to eradicate the problem.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On OOKA-OOKA ME NACHOS ME PRESS KEYS ON COMPUTER GOOD

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Originally posted by nchs09 education as in "school education" is just part of the education i am talking about. sexual education, financial stability education are all problems in third world countries. you think poverty would be solved if you took a bunch of professors and thought poeple math and science? opressive rule of dictatorship is not a problem for that many countires, and actually the countries work hand in hand with organizations to eradicate the problem.

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Originally posted by diggerz you want an opinion? give me a source.

Source for what? You can get the figures on fertility and immigration lots of different places. Try United Nations websites or CIA Factbook.

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Originally posted by diggerz

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On OOKA-OOKA ME NACHOS ME PRESS KEYS ON COMPUTER GOOD

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Originally posted by nchs09 opressive rule of dictatorship is not a problem for that many countires

You have to be joking. Look at the past fifty years of African and Latin American history for examples...

Even in cases where dictatorships haven't ruled, corruption has been so rampant in the Third World as to make democracy effectively non-existent in most places.

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Originally posted by diggerz what are you talking about? India's high population has been beneficial for their country and the U.S. China has also proven that due to such a high level of population, their GDP is relatively higher than India's and gradually increasing every year. In addition, the U.S is also outsourcing most of the I.T work to places like India and China and most of the people that work in such companies, have great english skills and learn new tasks easily. You should read "The World is Flat" by Thomas L. Friedman.

What I am talking about is that there will be fewer opportunities for many people. I am talking about the blue collar workforce. Many of them are poor and if we reach a large population expect them to live in poverty. You can't just read a book you have to go and experience it firsthand. You missed out that even if they are in I.T. or engineers they are not earning a lot of money but the prices are still high for such things as a car. Even if the model is of poor quality. It is hard to live in a nation where there is so much competition and few opportunities, regardless of who is outsourcing or anything.

Sports = Competition

Humans = Competetive

Always.

did i miss something? where does sports come into this discussion

not all humans are competitive.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK did i miss something? where does sports come into this discussion not all humans are competitive.

read the post above mine...

and if your not competetive...your not trying...YOU SUCK!

People that work together achieve more than those that fight each other.

(YOU SUCK!)

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