As I already stated and will do again it's very personal. Of course it will aid in perfectioning your productions further. But there are people whom can do that without a subwoofer as well. It's too bad you don't live nearby a store so you can have a listen. Safe bet would be to buy without sub. If you later feel you're missing out then buy it . Just make sure you don't spend the money on something else :P

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Originally posted by Storyteller Safe bet would be to buy without sub. If you later feel you're missing out then buy it

I'll probably wind up doing that. Thanks!

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Originally posted by alanzo I'm thinking the following would be a great setup: Dynaudio BM6AmkIIs (primary monitors) Mackie HR824mkIIs (secondary monitors) And headphones for close/quiet mixing Sony MDR-7506 Headphones (currently have and been using for 3 years) AKG headphones (240s or 601s) Sennheaiser 595s And all this can be yours for only $3,000 USD. Anymore thoughts on the sub vs no sub debate?

Two pairs of monitors is not necessary. And it will only split your focus and your mixes will suffer, unless you really know what you're doing.
Get either the Mackies or Dynaudios, both are great.
Definately get the AKG K240s.
Forget about the AKG K601 and Sennheiser HD595, they're hifi phones.
Only get a sub if you intend to do some heavy acoustic treatment. I don't mean a few auralex pads here and there.
I'm talking several basstraps throughout the room.

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Originally posted by Eldritch Two pairs of monitors is not necessary. And it will only split your focus and your mixes will suffer, unless you really know what you're doing. Get either the Mackies or Dynaudios, both are great.

Hrmm. You may be right. After getting the Dynaudios, I may not feel a need for the Mackies.

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Definately get the AKG K240s.

After the reputation they have, I think I will get these.

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Forget about the Sennheiser HD595, they're hifi phones.

I still think it would help to have these even if they are hifi. Perhaps not mix on them, but just use them as another reference for mastering/over-all sound.

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Only get a sub if you intend to do some heavy acoustic treatment. I don't mean a few auralex pads here and there. I'm talking several basstraps throughout the room.

Yeah, if I get a sub I would have to invest in something like this:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Project2Kit/

Whereas without a sub, I would probably only need this:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RoomDST36C/


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Originally posted by alanzo I still think it would help to have these even if they are hifi. Perhaps not mix on them, but just use them as another reference for mastering/over-all sound.

Yeah, ok. I'd go for the HD-280 in that case. They would be very useful if you ever feel the need to record vocals or maybe do some DJing. They have incredible sound isolation.

did u try the ADAM P11 Active and the ADAM S2 Active?

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Originally posted by Eldritch Yeah, ok. I'd go for the HD-280 in that case.

A good suggestion. I'll probably do that given their reputation. Thanks!

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did u try the ADAM P11 Active and the ADAM S2 Active?

I haven't really thought about ADAM monitors. I haven't heard much about them, though (good or bad). I'd have to hear them before purchasing since they don't have a reputation.

Curious, does anyone have any comments about the Behringer TRUTH 2301As? I know they're certainly nothing compared to Dynaudios, but for $300, they may be adequate for what I'm looking for in a monitor which is basically something to mix on and get a feel for the track's space. Mastering would be done on a combination of the monitors and headphones.

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adam monitors are really good, but translation is a potential issue. they use high quality ribbon tweeters instead of the typical dome style. these can perform way better than normal tweeters, if done right, but they do have a characteristic sound. in consideration of the fact that the majority of the speakers in the world DON'T use ribbons, you gotta weigh up the pros and cons.

behringers are ok. they provide a decent enough frequency response (range?) to do mixing on. in reality, the linearity of frequency response is not as important as most people think. room modes will be boosting and cutting frequencies like there is no tomorrow, so having your monitors within an bees dick of "perfect" is irrelevant. in that regard, learning your monitors is the main thing! but, for peace of mind, it's nice to get a pair of monitors that sound noticeably "flat...ish" lol.

HOWEVER, one thing which you cannot compensate for by "learning" your monitors, is the transient response. crap monitors have a crap transient response and theres nothing you can do about it. furthermore, if the monitor design makes too much use of porting (a technique used to boost bass), you will lose the tightness in the bass. this is why i have always maintained that you're better off buying decent 6" monitor than a cheap 8", if you are on a budget. the larger a woofer is, the less high frequency it will push on average. hence, when you buy a crap 8" woofer, there will inevitably be a poor crossover with the tweeter. also, you sacrifice the transient response because the woofer generally won't be able to move as fast as a smaller one. obviously if you're spending enough money (mackies or above), you can get decent 8" monitors in a 2 way design, i'm just saying if you're on a budget...

theres a lot of crap to weigh up really. people seem to buy monitors just on frequency response these days, which is totally retarded, especially when the low end is really a guestimate at best - no pair of monitors ACTUALLY goes down to "30hz" or "40hz" or whatever at the same level as other frequencies.

like all things, you get what you pay for!

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Originally posted by Eldritch Two pairs of monitors is not necessary. And it will only split your focus and your mixes will suffer

i disagree with this.

it's all preference, but i find it alot easier to stay objective if i swap between monitors every hour or so. using one set of monitors totally destroys my ability to even tell if i'm making the song better or worse.

you dont even need "monitors". a pair of hifi speakers as a second pair will do! it helps you recognise how your mix will translate ALOT.

for the record... most pro recording studios have a few sets of monitors for this reason (nearfields and big ass 3 ways usually).

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Not terrible, but they don't give you a true representation. The HR824's are truly great monitors, but you will have to learn how they sound (as with all) and are comparitively more bass heavy than some of the other monitor speakers listed. Having said that, it is really not be too hard to adjust the 824's (with the switches on the rear) and your mixes to compensate for this. A real bonus of them is that they don't have a really narrow sweet spot, which can be a lifesaver if your room or listening position is not perfect. I know they are great monitors, the dynaudios have never floated my boat. I my previous job I've demo'd them at least a couple of hundred times for customers (and even though some of them fell in love) they never sounded as good other monitors. Forget subs. Period. I don't know why they keep coming up on monitor threads. They are a total nightmare because of the amount of set up needed to get it right and as ES said, without a properly designed treated room they are a waste of time, and even then I still don't see the point. Edit: one other thing I've noticed is that shops (like guitar centre) really push the dynaudio's at you. Why?......in my experience, the sales margin was better them.

This is right on. I own the HR824s and I tell you now, carefully consider purchasing them based on the size of your room and how far away you will be from the monitors. I made music with these things 3 feet from my head for 2 years and my music suffered as a result because I had a very distorted idea of what my music sounded like, particularly in the low end, because these monitors are so bass heavy. I'm now in a large room with a bass trap with the monitors 7-8 feet away from my head and its much better. However, I would not recommend these monitors for producing. They are amazing for mixing monitors for a DJ setup, but for producing, I would suggest something that gives you are a more real world idea of what your sound will be like. I'm kind of in the market for something like these myself and have heard the Dynaudios are good but I don't really know. Bottom line is, the HR824s can really fool your years if you are not careful.

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Originally posted by alanzo I'm thinking the following would be a great setup: Dynaudio BM6AmkIIs (primary monitors) Mackie HR824mkIIs (secondary monitors) And all this can be yours for only $3,000 USD.

If you have $3000 to spend then seriously consider getting either the Focal Twin6 or for $1000 more the Klein + Hummel 0300. They are both 3-way monitors, meaning they are MUCH more accurate & translate really well.

I own Dynaudio BM6A's which i'm selling to upgrade to either of these two, they are in a completely different league than Dynaudios or Mackies. As well they should considering they cost twice as much!

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