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Originally posted by Sean Walsh 1) Trance nights usually attract a mostly pilled-out crowd, which is bad for bar sales.

Hence they make it up with $5 water bottles that is like 2000% mark up vs 200-500% mark up for alcohol :P

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Originally posted by Ranim ^ Trance quality did not go down in my opinion..only The trend changed.. We lived the Uplifting Peak, then moved to the Progressive Trance peak, then 2 yrs ago, the Tech-Trance revolution started (SvD, Cor Fijneman, Richard Durand), and today, Electro infleunced Trance is also starting to cover the scene (eg. Marcus Schossow). In my opinion, Trance's trend changed, but the quality stays there! Yes, many CRAP releases exist, but if you really search, you'll still find some quality stuff! The difference also exists in the number of producers producing Trance. Back in 2000, they could be counted easily. Nowadays, a huge number of labels and producers entered the industry! We have crappy release released more than quality ones, so Percentage of Quality Trance release is going down, but the Quantity of the Quality is going up!

This argument is so true.. In a interview I listened with Ferry Corsten he said the quality of ALL music decreased because the market has been so saturated with tons of crap music, like few years ago a track would have to be really good in order for it to be worth it to press into vinyl and released. Now if you look on beatport there's thousands of labels and if you listen to a random track on it would most likely suck.

Meh once they run out of cross breeds of genres they would go back and recycle the sound, what's old is new again. So hopefully uplifting trance again but after minimal-trance? lol and gabber-trance?

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Originally posted by Invasionmix Hence they make it up with $5 water bottles that is like 2000% mark up vs 200-500% mark up for alcohol :P

find me someone who will drink $100 of water at a club

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Originally posted by Allied Nations find me someone who will drink $100 of water at a club

d00d bro u can totally get wasted on watur man its the new vodka bro

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It still puzzles me how ppl have this perception that you can't love Trance and other genres of EDM as well.

Yea, I understand the whole Trance->House/Techno/Breaks/Jungle/etc. transition that many ppl go through but I can't stand the genre elitists (and that also includes ppl that think Trance is the only worthwhile EDM to listen to).

There is plenty of cookie-cutter trance, just like there is plenty of cookie-cutter house,techno,etc. but a lot more tolerance is had in those genres since they're generally comprised of more mature EDM fans who have no other genre to turn to -- all the hate is reserved for the Trance 'newbies'. Although, admittedly, Trance does suffer from the image of ONLY consisting of tracks with huge build-ups -- yes, a fair chunk of tracks are like that but of those that have both trance/house/tech elements it is very RARE that the trance elements are ever mentioned/brought up -- I especially laugh when I'm at a club and see Trance haters go off to 'House' tracks that sound more like Trance than House, lol.

I won't mention names but there are trance DJs out there that bring the party practically EVERY time they're on and you can be sure to have a good time if you're in attendance -- then, there are the others, that play the same stuff ALL THE TIME and it is a snoozefest! Very few 'Trance' DJs out there now can break across that genre and incorporate the varied sounds of EDM into their sets. I appreciate a well programmed/thought out set that is bangin/has flow as opposed to the dropping of all the regular 'hits' in random order! Sadly, the big Trance DJs tend to hoard all the attention for themselves due to their popularity and it is downright impossible for any up-n-comer to make a dent unless they have some amazing productions under their belt. They won't get bookings because their name isn't big enough to bring the numbers necessary to make it profitable - and the cycle continues.

goodgreef - Trance does not work in all club settings -- some clubs are better catered for house -- same idea with tracks that go off well at massives but end up sounding out of place at smaller venues.

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Originally posted by Swamper It still puzzles me how ppl have this perception that you can't love Trance and other genres of EDM as well. Yea, I understand the whole Trance->House/Techno/Breaks/Jungle/etc. transition that many ppl go through but I can't stand the genre elitists (and that also includes ppl that think Trance is the only worthwhile EDM to listen to). There is plenty of cookie-cutter trance, just like there is plenty of cookie-cutter house,techno,etc. but a lot more tolerance is had in those genres since they're generally comprised of more mature EDM fans who have no other genre to turn to -- all the hate is reserved for the Trance 'newbies'. Although, admittedly, Trance does suffer from the image of ONLY consisting of tracks with huge build-ups -- yes, a fair chunk of tracks are like that but of those that have both trance/house/tech elements it is very RARE that the trance elements are ever mentioned/brought up -- I especially laugh when I'm at a club and see Trance haters go off to 'House' tracks that sound more like Trance than House, lol. I won't mention names but there are trance DJs out there that bring the party practically EVERY time they're on and you can be sure to have a good time if you're in attendance -- then, there are the others, that play the same stuff ALL THE TIME and it is a snoozefest! Very few 'Trance' DJs out there now can break across that genre and incorporate the varied sounds of EDM into their sets. I appreciate a well programmed/thought out set that is bangin/has flow as opposed to the dropping of all the regular 'hits' in random order! Sadly, the big Trance DJs tend to hoard all the attention for themselves due to their popularity and it is downright impossible for any up-n-comer to make a dent unless they have some amazing productions under their belt. They won't get bookings because their name isn't big enough to bring the numbers necessary to make it profitable - and the cycle continues. goodgreef - Trance does not work in all club settings -- some clubs are better catered for house -- same idea with tracks that go off well at massives but end up sounding out of place at smaller venues.

I never understood it myself Swamper. As a long-time lover of trance, in addition to being a long-time lover of breaks, house, prog, techno and everything in between, I could never understand why trance was perceived so poorly by other EDM fans I knew. Your argument about trance-haters going off to the cheese house with a trance buildup is spot-on as well; I've seen it countless times and it always gives me a huge kick.

I think my general dislike for a lot of trance these days stems from the fact that the trance DJs I used to respect and listen to weekly changed styles to more mainstream fluff, and by association with that I say that "most trance being released sucks now". I'm sure there are top quality releases on a weekly/monthly basis, I'm just not really exposed to them.

At a club setting I also prefer lower BPMs these days too, so that's lead me to enjoy other forms of EDM more. I've rocked out to SVD twice this year and he's destroyed the place both times, but on a weekly basis I prefer house/electro/prog.

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Originally posted by Swamper goodgreef - Trance does not work in all club settings -- some clubs are better catered for house -- same idea with tracks that go off well at massives but end up sounding out of place at smaller venues.

Definitely agree with you here. I have had fun at Trance events at clubs, but it is really subjective to the mood and atmosphere of the venue. I have also had tons of fun at House music events, and even Jungle.

I would also like to mention, that while I may prefer Trance.. I love all types of EDM...and listen to everything when the right mood arises.

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Originally posted by Ranim Hello, I came to Montreal 5 weeks ago, and went to some night clubs with some friends. I Realized that Trance music is mostly inexistent here (i only know that Stereo organizes a Trance event once a month: Trancemission..but nothing else). The dominant music is the Electro, Prog House, and Commercial Music. Am I right, or am I generalizing?

I spin trance in my Basement..... on my 16SPEEDCDROM and a shitbox computer... It lags during breakdowns, but sounds okay on my 2x RADIOSHACK 6 year old speakers.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh I never understood it myself Swamper. As a long-time lover of trance, in addition to being a long-time lover of breaks, house, prog, techno and everything in between, I could never understand why trance was perceived so poorly by other EDM fans I knew.

I'm probably in the same boat as you, i use to live trance, but really got away from it because it just got to repetitive, every song sounds exactly the same, i ventured off to more of a creative sound, into tech /prog house, where you can tell the difference between quality vs. quantity, more innovative sound.

Also, i'm a person who likes to dance, and found it really annoying and personally broke the atmosphere with all the big build ups, literally everyone is just standing around....also everyone at trance events seems to be secluded, it's not the same vibe.....this is all from my personal experience

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Originally posted by 84th Ave. I'm probably in the same boat as you, i use to live trance, but really got away from it because it just got to repetitive, every song sounds exactly the same, i ventured off to more of a creative sound, into tech /prog house, where you can tell the difference between quality vs. quantity, more innovative sound. Also, i'm a person who likes to dance, and found it really annoying and personally broke the atmosphere with all the big build ups, literally everyone is just standing around....also everyone at trance events seems to be secluded, it's not the same vibe.....this is all from my personal experience

People stand around for trance in MTL, true that...

People don't stand around, and actually build up crazy amount of energy at Amnesia(Ibiza) for example... And that's what makes trance fun IMO...