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Originally posted by Elec Anyway you look at this, its another step into a society of surveillance. Eventually, anywhere you go cameras will be able to ID you based on your face, eyes, even the way you walk.

and what exactly are the nefarious government going to do whilst they're watching you all day?

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Originally posted by Elec This advanced surveillance might seem like a good idea to some now, but think of it down the road. What if some laws come about, probably in the interest to some particular entity, which are absurd and you don't agree with?

then you vote in a party/president who will change said laws obviously.

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Originally posted by Elec And whos to say that the FBI will use this new database only for its intended purpose and nothing else in the future? And that the information will certainly be safe?

so, again, what do you think the evil government will do with this database? ooooh, so they can recognise me as i walk down the street. so what?

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Originally posted by Elec This is giving a whole lot of power to the government.

yes, and it should certainly be looked upon with caution. but since there is no legal framework for them to demand any personal information they don't already have access to, im not sure why everyone is so paranoid.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN but since there is no legal framework for them to demand any personal information they don't already have access to...

But there is, at least in the U.S. It's called an executive order.

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Originally posted by Elec Anyway you look at this, its another step into a society of surveillance. Eventually, anywhere you go cameras will be able to ID you based on your face, eyes, even the way you walk. And to whoever said that people cannot be searched without a warrant...the Patriot Act already showed that to be false. This advanced surveillance might seem like a good idea to some now, but think of it down the road. What if some laws come about, probably in the interest to some particular entity, which are absurd and you don't agree with? Tough luck, you got nowhere to hide. And whos to say that the FBI will use this new database only for its intended purpose and nothing else in the future? And that the information will certainly be safe? This is giving a whole lot of power to the government. Can't wait for the tinfoil comments...

If you support the 2nd Amendment (which so many liberal-leaning people who worry about "1984" don't), then you'll have some recourse when your Government tries to enslave you.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles But there is, at least in the U.S. It's called an executive order.

so what, the president is going to make an executive order that all the people must submit to a retinal scan that will be placed in a government database?

i dont buy it.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles They already put so much out there for fun, and nothing too bad comes of that...

You just negated your own argument, lol.

I love it when that happens.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so what, the president is going to make an executive order that all the people must submit to a retinal scan that will be placed in a government database?

Nah, nothing that specific. It wouldn't even have to be an executive order. Lawyers working for the Bush administration read the AUMF (Authorization for Use of Military Force -- passed after 9/11) as authorizing pretty much anything you can think of, foreign or domestic.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco You just negated your own argument, lol.

How is that? The fact that nothing bad comes of something now doesn't imply that nothing bad can ever come of it.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Nah, nothing that specific. It wouldn't even have to be an executive order. Lawyers working for the Bush administration read the AUMF (Authorization for Use of Military Force -- passed after 9/11) as authorizing pretty much anything you can think of, foreign or domestic.

oh well, sucks to be a yank!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles How is that? The fact that nothing bad comes of something now doesn't imply that nothing bad can ever come of it.

Well, as you so aptly pointed out, it's a case of "information overload" and the government isn't going to care what's on your MySpace page unless you give them cause to care (like you start molesting children or robbing banks, etc.)

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Well, as you so aptly pointed out, it's a case of "information overload" and the government isn't going to care what's on your MySpace page unless you give them cause to care (like you start molesting children or robbing banks, etc.)

What governments care about is such a changeable thing.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Nah, nothing that specific. It wouldn't even have to be an executive order. Lawyers working for the Bush administration read the AUMF (Authorization for Use of Military Force -- passed after 9/11) as authorizing pretty much anything you can think of, foreign or domestic.

Why is it that people think George Bush is omnipotent?

They give the man WAY too much credit.

We have a judicial branch in this country, separate from the legislative branch (and it even has the power to look in to the "executive" branch, even when that branch invokes "executive powers"). For the most part, I still have faith in the judicial branch. I think it has proven itself to be non-bias in most situations where it has been tested.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What governments care about is such a changeable thing.

Well, last I checked, they don't care about my fishing trips in Florida, my dating experiences, or the fact that I'm a fan of "Flight of the Concords" and "Dave Chapelle".

But if they ever do care, I'm not too worried about it, because we don't live in a Dictatorship vacuum. I have LOTS of recourse to address the situation (the courts, the free press, freedom of speech, etc.), should it become a problem for me.

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