Very emotional departure... greatest quarterback of all-time in my books.

Thanks Brett.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov God this pestilence on the NFL is finally gone. Maybe John Madden will actually be tolerable now.

Depends on how Sexy Rexy plays

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Originally posted by Shifty-1 Very emotional departure... greatest quarterback of all-time in my books. Thanks Brett.

Statements like this are just asinine. He was the most healthy quarterback of all-time, and that's it. You'd seriously take Brett Favre and his 20 interceptions a season over Joe Montana? Terry Bradshaw? Johnny Unitas? Bart Starr? Archie Manning? Peyton Manning? Hell, Tom Brady? Other than 1995, I challenge you to name a single season in which Brett Favre was the best quarterback in the league. He was a consistent third or fourth best in each season he played, but managed to outlast the Aikmans, Youngs, and Kurt Warners. Just watch - if Peyton and Brady stay healthy Favre's records (other than the consecutive starts) will be eclipsed by a wide margin.

Brett Favre is easily the most over-rated player in any sport of all-time.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Statements like this are just asinine. He was the most healthy quarterback of all-time, and that's it. You'd seriously take Brett Favre and his 20 interceptions a season over Joe Montana? Terry Bradshaw? Johnny Unitas? Bart Starr? Archie Manning? Peyton Manning? Hell, Tom Brady? Other than 1995, I challenge you to name a single season in which Brett Favre was the best quarterback in the league. He was a consistent third or fourth best in each season he played, but managed to outlast the Aikmans, Youngs, and Kurt Warners. Just watch - if Peyton and Brady stay healthy Favre's records (other than the consecutive starts) will be eclipsed by a wide margin. Brett Favre is easily the most over-rated player in any sport of all-time.

i would say that michael vick was more over-rated than favre. at least favre was a solid quarterback. vick was marginally good at quarterback, although admittedly he was a great athlete.

i love when sean salsbury would say that "only brett favre could make that throw." Yeah douche, he's bound to complete the pass once in ten tries.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Statements like this are just asinine. He was the most healthy quarterback of all-time, and that's it. You'd seriously take Brett Favre and his 20 interceptions a season over Joe Montana? Terry Bradshaw? Johnny Unitas? Bart Starr? Archie Manning? Peyton Manning? Hell, Tom Brady? Other than 1995, I challenge you to name a single season in which Brett Favre was the best quarterback in the league. He was a consistent third or fourth best in each season he played, but managed to outlast the Aikmans, Youngs, and Kurt Warners. Just watch - if Peyton and Brady stay healthy Favre's records (other than the consecutive starts) will be eclipsed by a wide margin. Brett Favre is easily the most over-rated player in any sport of all-time.

Wow.

I'm just going to leave it at "agree to disagree" with you Jeff, but I think that distilling his achievements down to "he stayed healthy" is a pretty shit argument.

Comparing him to Kurt fucking Warner?

Say hello again when you come back to the real world, the only quarterbacks you even mentioned that I'd put close to the same league as Favre are Montana and Aikman.

Though I will say that I absolutely love the wave of "Just because we have to hear about him, we're going to take immense amounts of shit about him" trend that's hit the internet this past week or so - the similarities between it and any number of discussions that take place in MD on a given day are staggering.

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brett favre was one of the best to play the game. there's no doubt. kurt warner shouldn't even be used in the same sentence with favre.

great way to end his stellar career though.

we can't put favre and warner in the same category. warner is a one hit wonder and a has been. we can put kurt wurner, jeff george, rich gannon, and steve beurelein in the same category. quarterbacks with semi long careers with a couple of seasons of "very big" seasons and the rest very mediocre. that wasn't the case for brett favre. favre had his bad moments here and there, but his numbers were consistent every year.

what really is pretty good about him was not like other great quarterbacks, he had to deal with throwing to different wide receivers every couple of years. quarterback-receiver chemistry is very critical, if you think about it, favre had throw it to receivers like andre rison, antonio freeman, robert brooks, and bill schroeder during his peak years. average to good wide receivers, but not the best receivers to depend on.

also favre had to deal with a mediocre running game during the mid to late 90s. reggie cobb, edgar bennett, and dorsey levens doesn't scare defenses. at least favre had ahmen "fumble the ball because my hands are small" green during the 2000s. montana had craig, aikman had emmitt smith, bradshaw had harris, and staubach had dorsett.

when we talk about favre, we have to put him with fran takerton and dan marino. quarterbacks who had to deal with a lot of mediocrity to win football games. although takerton and marino didn't win super bowls, they did perform at high levels to get their respective teams to the position of winning games.

just my 2 cents .........

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The Marino analogy seems particularly apt.

And for the record, I'm fine with people not having a high opinion of Favre - everyone is entitled to their own after all, and I understand the need for many people to attempt to provide the "equal and opposite reaction" to the amount of praise he receives (again, see MD for the musical equivalent on any given day) - unfortunately there is pretty much zero possibility of that reaction ever becoming "equal" in any way, shape, or form to the general consensus that Favre is among the best to ever have played the game.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Statements like this are just asinine. He was the most healthy quarterback of all-time, and that's it. You'd seriously take Brett Favre and his 20 interceptions a season over Joe Montana? Terry Bradshaw? Johnny Unitas? Bart Starr? Archie Manning? Peyton Manning? Hell, Tom Brady? Other than 1995, I challenge you to name a single season in which Brett Favre was the best quarterback in the league. He was a consistent third or fourth best in each season he played, but managed to outlast the Aikmans, Youngs, and Kurt Warners. Just watch - if Peyton and Brady stay healthy Favre's records (other than the consecutive starts) will be eclipsed by a wide margin. Brett Favre is easily the most over-rated player in any sport of all-time.

it's hard to say 'who's the greatest of all time' when you have so many qb's that have accomplished so much. i'll say this, brett favre is in my group of greatest qb's of all time. if i had to choose a qb to win the super bowl for me it would not be brett favre lining up under center. i would have to go with montana, bradshaw, bart starr, steve young (doesn't he have the highest qb rating over a career?) or even elway (who beat favre in the super bowl). i agree with you that the majority of brett's records will be shattered by brady and manning but you can't penalize brett for being healthy and playing in all those games.

the same type of discussion always happens when you talk about the greatest rb of all time. you have people argue about brown, sanders, payton, and smith.

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And since when are records not meant to be broken?



Does the fact that Favre stole all those records from Elway, Marino, Montana, etc. mean that their careers are worthless as well?



Certainly seems to follow logically from some of the arguments given here.

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i'm not going to say he's the "best", but "one of the best", because of the number of mistakes he made in the playoffs during his early years that put the packers in a bad position, most namely numerous occasions against the cowboys. the cowboys practically owned brett favre during the early 90s. the 1994-95-96 playoffs scare me. , and how about that 2002 playoffs against st louis when he threw 6 interceptions.

but yeah the best quarterbacks have their good days and bad days. too bad those were the bad days for favre.

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when we talk about records, and what the players have accomplished to reach those records, we have to factor how their numbers compare to the rest of the league during that time. when unitas and takerton were racking up yards during the 60s and 70s, that was a very unique in a way, because during that time, mobile quarterbacks who threw massive yards were very hard to come by.

same goes for favre when we compare his 90s-early 2000s numbers to the early greats. of course favre's numbers are going to be greater than the past great quarterbacks, but only because the number of passing plays are double than what is is 2 decades ago.

looking at the past couple of years, i think favre's numbers are going to be the standard for a while, because quarterback stability hasn't been that great outside of brady and manning. 60,000 passing yards and 300 touchdowns are going to be very hard to eclipse these days.

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