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5) The Value of the Eyewitness Testimonies Concerning the National Socialist Atrocities


The Value of Eyewitness Evidence in General
In academia as well as in the justice system of a state under the rule of law, there is a hierarchy of
evidence reflecting the evidential value. In this hierarchy, material and documentary evidence is always
superior to eyewitness testimony.[4] Thus, academia as well as the justice system regard eyewitness
testimony as the least reliable form of evidence, since human memory is imperfect and easily manipulated.[5] According to Rolf Bender, a German expert on the evaluation of evidence, its unreliable
nature renders eyewitness testimony merely circumstantial evidence, in other words, not direct evidence.
[6]
What standards must be met for eyewitness testimony to be usable in court?[7]
1. The witness must be credible.
While making no claims to completeness, the following lists a few criteria for determining credibility:
a) Emotional involvement. If witnesses are emotionally too involved in the cases under investigation,
this may distort the testimony in one direction or the other, without this necessarily being a
conscious process.
b) Veracity. If it turns out that a witness is not overly concerned about truthfulness, this casts doubts
upon his further credibility.
c) Testimony under coercion. The frankness of testimony may be limited if a witness is subjected to
direct or indirect pressure that makes him deem it advisable to configure his testimony accordingly.
d) Third-party influence. A person’s memory is easy to manipulate. Events reported by acquaintances
or in the media can easily become assimilated as ‘personal experience’. Thus, if a witness has
been exposed intensively to one-sided accounts of the trial substance prior to testifying, this can
very well affect his testimony to reflect these impressions.
e) Temporal distance from the events to be attested to. It is generally known that the reliability of
eyewitness testimony diminishes greatly after only a few days, and after several months has been
so severely influenced and altered by the replacement of forgotten details with subsequent impressions
that it retains hardly any value as evidence.[8]
2. Testimony must be plausible.
a) Internal consistency. Testimony must be free of contradictions and in accordance with the rules
of logic.
b) Correctness of historical context. Testimony must fit into the historical context established conclusively by higher forms of evidence (documents, material evidence).
c) Technical and scientific reality. Testimony must report such matters as can be reconciled with
the laws of nature and with what was technically possible at the time in question.
[4] Cf. E. Schneider, Beweis und Beweiswürdigung, 4th ed., F. Vahlen, Munich 1987, pp. 188 and 304; additional forms of evidence are "Augenscheinnahme" [visual assessment of evidence by the Court], and "Parteieinvernahme" [the questioning of disputing parties, i.e., prosecution and defense], a particularly unreliable form of testimony.
[5] E.g., cf. §373, German Code of Civil Procedure.
[6] R. Bender, S. Röder, A. Nack, Tatsachenfeststellung vor Gericht, 2 vols., Beck, Munich 1981, vol 1, p.173.
[7] Cf. also the detailed accounts of E. Schneider, op. cit. (note 4), p. 200-229, and R. Bender, S. Röder, A. Nack, op. cit. (note 6), v. 1 part 1.
[8] Cf. esp. R. Bender, S. Röder, A. Nack, ibid., pp. 45ff.
(End of quote from Dissecting the Holocaust, p. 85-86:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html )


So these are the basic requirements for an eyewitness testimony to be taken seriously.


Now lets have an expert opinion concernig the value Holocaust eyewitnesses:

There is currently no topic of human history that is treated more emotionally and one-sidedly in public than the Holocaust. It represents the central taboo of western civilization, and to question it is the epitome of heresy, and punishable by imprisonment in many western democracies.

Given this state of affairs, the expert on the evaluation of eyewitness testimony, Professor Elisabeth Loftus (she is Jewish), pointed out in 1991 that, for many different reasons, testimony pertaining to actual (or merely alleged) National Socialist atrocities, witnessed in a particularly high stage of emotion, is less reliable than almost any other testimony. Elaborating, she observes:
a) The time elapsed since the end of World War II has contributed to an inevitable fading of recollections.
b) In trials of alleged National Socialist criminals pre-trial publicity has meant that witnesses had generally known the identity of the defendants and the crimes they were charged with already before the trial.
c) Prosecutors have asked witnesses leading questions, such as whether they could recognize the accused as the perpetrator. Witnesses have rarely been called on to identify the accused from a number of unknown people.
d) It is fairly certain that witnesses have discussed identifications among themselves, which facilitated subsequent ‘identifications’ by other witnesses.
e) Photos of defendants have been exhibited repeatedly, each additional showing of the pictures making witnesses more familiar with the face of the accused, and thus increasingly certain.
f) The extremely emotional nature of these cases further increases the risk of a distortion of memory, since the accused to be identified by the witnesses were more than alleged tool of the National Socialists – they were devils incarnates: said to have tortured, maimed and mass-murdered prisoners. They were allegedly responsible for the murder of the witnesses’ mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, wives and children.[22]
Professor Loftus, herself Jewish, uses her own experience to describe how a false sense of loyalty to her heritage and her people and "race", as she puts it, prevented her from taking a stand against the obviously false testimony of her fellow Jews. It is safe to assume that this is a widespread, common reflex among Jews.[23]

However, she omits three further factors that can contribute additionally to the massive distortion of memory where the Holocaust is concerned:
g) Accounts of witnesses’ personal experiences have always – and not only during criminal trials – been widely disseminated by word of mouth, print and broadcast media, and particularly among the witnesses themselves through personal correspondence and all sorts of relief organizations.
h) Since at least the late 1970s the topic of the Holocaust has been ever-present in the mass media, and in an extremely one-sided manner, so that memories inevitably become standardized.
i) Where the Holocaust is concerned, it is not only unforgivable but at times even a criminal offense not to know, not to admit, or perhaps only to doubt, certain things. There is thus a very strong social (or even legal) pressure on witnesses in particular to recall certain ‘facts’ and to repress others.

If one considers all these factors and combines them with studies on the manipulability of human memory, such as the one recently published by Prof. Loftus in a leading scientific journal,[24] then one cannot help but conclude that there is in fact no eye witness testimony less reliable than those on the Holocaust. If in normal scientific and legal proceedings one accepts as a rule that eyewitness testimony is the least reliable kind of evidence, then insofar as the Holocaust is concerned it is necessary to observe that here the eyewitness testimony may only serve to flesh out the framework of historical events as established by documentary evidence, and perhaps to give clues to events whose occurrence has yet to be proven by documents or material evidence. But anyone who relies chiefly on eyewitness testimony and assigns it a greater value as evidence than documentary or even material evidence cannot seriously claim to adhere to the scientific method in his work.

[22] E. Loftus, K. Ketcham, Witness for the Defense, St. Martin’s Press, New York 1991, p. 224; cf. review in J. Cobden, Journal of Historical Review (JHR), 11(2) (1991) pp. 238-249 (online: http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/11/2/Cobden238-249.html). The author thanks R. Faurisson for the latter reference.
[23] Ibid., pp. 228f.
[24] E. Loftus, "Creating False Memories", Scientific American, September 1997, pp. 50-55, with more references to more recent expert literature; German: "Falsche Erinnerungen", Spektrum der Wissenschaft Januar 1998, pp. 62-67; see also David F. Bjorklund (ed.), False-Memory Creation in Children and Adults, Lawrence Erlbaum Ass., Mahwah, NJ, 2000.
(End of quote from Dissecting the Holocaust, p. 89-91:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html )

So this is the opinion of the Jewish expert on the evaluation of eyewitness testimony. She is saying that the eyewitness testimonies concerning the holocaust are very unreliable, "less reliable than almost any other testimony". I wonder would Rolf Bender, a German expert on the evaluation of evidence, want to use Holocaust eyewitnesses as direct evidence...
(Earlier brought up: "Rolf Bender, a German expert on the evaluation of evidence, its unreliable
nature renders eyewitness testimony merely circumstantial evidence, in other words, not direct evidence".)


Read the entire chapter from Dissecting the Holocaust, I'm not going to copy paste the entire book here. In it, it is documented in detail how the testimonies were obtained in courts (by manipulation, intimidation or even by torture, among other things).


Other factors affecting the reliability of human memory
On Lectures on the Holocaust on pages 345-359, there are numerous factors and documented examples, showing how incredibly easy it is to manipulate human memory. Constant rumors, lack of valid information, atrocity propaganda, oppressive interrogators, threats, unfamiliarity with certain habits and machines (such as rural Polish Jews entering a brand new Finnish sauna at Auschwitz, Zentralsauna, caused many people to fear it as a somekind of a torturemachine at first). Read there, especially the examples are enlightening.
(I'm not going to quote an entire book here.)

But one thing I will quote, which I believe you dont know, the fact that typhus actually has a mental affect; it drives people crazy.
Quote from Lectures, p. 359-360:

4.2.3. The Phantom Disease
R: In the witness reports on the events in the former German concentration camps
and alleged extermination camps, one finds testimonies in which the inmates
report how they fell ill with typhus.[901] As we already saw, in various camps of
the Third Reich typhus epidemics broke out over and over again, from which
tens of thousands of inmates – as well as many guards – died
. For our purposes,
it is interesting to note how physicians having treated typhus describe the influence
of the disease upon human perception and memory.
Dr. Otto Humm has
given us a vivid description of the symptoms of the disease based on typical
case histories.[902] One characteristic of the disease is that the patient, at the
height of the disease, acts like an extreme psychotic. He is in a state of delirium.

[903] Dr. Hans Kilian describes, for example, a case in his memoirs he had
seen on the eastern front during World War II. Under the heading “The Phantom
Disease” he writes, I quote a few extracts:[904]
“March 17th. Today I will be doing something unique; I will be driving to
Chilowo in order to see cases of typhus with patients accommodated in a
designated hospital. […] The general practitioner whispers to me: ‘Don’t be
frightened, Professor, the men are terribly distraught, some are lunatics!
[…]
Three men actually move about in stupor. One taps along gesticulating,
mumbling about, going from bed to bed. He does not know what he is doing
or saying, or where he is. Another tries opening a window, apparently wanting
to leave. An orderly holds him gently, trying to persuade him to stop, but
he understands not a word. There is no reply, no reaction, the patient seems
to follow his inner urge, and like an obstinate animal he will not alter his attitude.
A third with a swollen red discolored face and reddened eyes meanders
about with threatening gestures but with an absolutely absent look to
his eyes; he staggers towards us. While shouting, he keeps coming closer
and closer. One gets the impression that he takes us for Russians. We
quickly grab his arms, try to sooth him, to turn him around, to bring him to
his bed. He screams in brute panic, thrashes about violently, and defends
himself so that two other orderlies have to help us contain that insane man.
We finally manage to lay the poor, totally disoriented chap down and to
cover him with a blanket. An orderly remains at his side. […]
I keep getting the impression that the claim that typhus is predominantly a
disease of the brain, i.e. a form of encephalitis, is correct because the most
apparent symptoms are all related to the brain’s malfunctioning.
This would
explain the senseless rounds, the total disorientation of the afflicted, the erratic
speech and finally, the colossal stupefaction.”
R: Now, think of the following: A typhus epidemic broke out in Auschwitz in the
summer of 1942, killing many thousands of inmates until it was brought completely
under control by the end of 1943. Thousands of other inmates, however,
recovered from the disease while they were still interned in the camp, where
thousands of typhus victims were first buried in mass graves, since the crematory
was overloaded; where the half-decomposed bodies were dug up again and
burnt on pyres because of the danger of pollution of the extremely high water
table; where death sentences were constantly carried out against inmates after
waiting months for decisions on appeals for clemency, but who were unable to
communicate with other inmates, so that the executions must have appeared arbitrary
to other inmates;[905] where there were frequent selections of inmates who
then disappeared from the recollections of other inmates. When some of these
inmates suffered nightmare-like hallucinations due to infection by typhus, hallucinations
which they could hardly distinguish from reality, if at all, when they
recovered: what kind of “memories” would remain with these inmates when
they were released from the camp at the end of the war?

L: Do you mean to say that the witness reports of mass exterminations were hallucinations?
R: None of the factors mentioned here to explain false testimonies make any claim
to explain everything. But I believe that all the factors tending to diminish the
reliability of testimonies must be taken into account. Not all testimonies can be
explained by typhus delirium, but I believe that some of the thousands of bedridden
inmates who suffered from typhus would have had hallucinations resembling
the atrocity stories, which we hear over and over again about Auschwitz.

Finally, one cannot assume that the inmates of German concentration
camps received the medical and psychiatric care which would have been required
to prevent the long-term physical and psychiatric effects of typhus. The
above quote by Prof. Kilian makes it obvious that this epidemic had not even
been correctly understood.
At any rate, the hallucinations of sick inmates must have aggravated many
camp rumors already current.

[901] Cf. the case of Jakob Freimark, described by Claus Jordan, op. cit. (note 576).
[902] Cf. Otto Humm, “Typhus – The Phantom Disease,” TR 2(1) (2004), pp. 84-88.
[903] Robert Heggelin, Differential-Diagnose innerer Krankheiten, Thieme Verlag, Zürich 1951.
[904] Hans Kilian, Im Schatten der Siege, Ehrenwirth, Munich 1964, pp. 220-225.
[905] SS judge Konrad Morgen testified in front of the IMT that he investigated against Maximilian Grabner,
head of the Political Department at Auschwitz, for 2,000 cases of arbitrary homicides during the war
(IMT, vol. 20, p. 507). However, Morgen’s testimony is not very reliable, as he testified under duress
(see p. 381) and made numerous false statements, e.g., about soap made of human fat (see note 184).
His claims might therefore be exaggerated. On the other hand, Boger himself claimed that he testified
in proceedings initiated against his former superior Grabner on Oct. 13 and 14, 1944 (Staatsanwaltschaft
beim LG Frankfurt (Main), op. cit. (note 462), vol. 5, p. 825).
(End of quote from Lectures, p. 359-360.)

Several Holocaust eyewitnesses must have had typhus during the war. Not all, but several Holocaust eyewitnesses were crazy and had hallucinations. That explains at least few of the atrocity stories, especially the most absurd stories (which are quoted at the following).


The Holocaust eyewitnesses have NEVER* been cross-examined in courts
(One important exception is the first Zündel trial in 1985, which will be later discussed in detail.)

The eyewitnesses have never* been allowed to be cross-examined by the defence. In all the trials after the war the eyewitnesses have been allowed unquestionably made their stories in courts. Lets see what is the consequence of the dozens of eyewitnesses making their claims, when nobody is allowed to doubt them (also some claims made by the Soviet Union):

Examples of Absurd Claims Regarding the Alleged National Socialist Genocide[355]
- child surviving six gassings in a gas chamber that never existed;[356]
- woman survived three gassings because Nazis kept running out of gas;[357]
- fairy tale of a bear and an eagle in a cage, eating one Jew per day;[358]
- mass graves expelling geysers of blood;[359]
- erupting and exploding mass graves;[360]
- soap production from human fat with imprint "RIF " – ‘Reine Juden Seife’ (pure Jewish soap), solemn burial of soap;[361]
-the SS made sausage in the crematoria out of human flesh (‘RIW’– ‘Reine Juden Wurst’?);[362]
- lampshades, book covers, driving gloves for SS officers, saddles, riding breeches, house slippers, and ladies handbags of human skin;[363]
- pornographic pictures on canvasses made of human skin;[364]
- mummified human thumbs were used as light switches in the house of Ilse Koch, wife of KL commander Koch (Buchenwald);[365]
- production of shrunken heads from bodies of inmates;[366]
- acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons;[367]
- muscles cut from the legs of executed inmates contracted so strongly that they made the buckets jump about;[368]
- an SS-father potshooting babies thrown into the air while 9-year old SS-daughter applauds and shrieks: "Papa, do it again; do it again, Papa!"[369]
- Jewish children used by Hitler-Youth for target practice;[370]
- wagons disappearing on an incline into the underground crematoria in Auschwitz (such facilities never existed);[371]
- forcing prisoners to lick stairs clean, and collect garbage with their lips;[372]
- injections into the eyes of inmates to change their eye color;[373]
- first artificially fertilize women at Auschwitz, then gas them;[374]
- torturing people in specially mass-produced "torture boxes" made by Krupp;[375]
- torturing people by shooting at them with wooden bullets to make them talk;[376]
- smacking people with special spanking machines;[377]
- killing by drinking a glass of liquid hydrogen cyanide (which, scientifically considered, evaporates quickly and would endanger those who pouring it into said glass);[378]
- killing people with poisoned soft drinks;[379]
-underground mass extermination in enormous rooms, by means of high voltage electricity;[380]
- blast 20,000 Jews into the twilight zone with atomic bombs;[381]
- killing in vacuum chamber, hot steam or chlorine gas;[382]
- mass murder in hot steam chamber;[383]
- mass murder by tree cutting: forcing people to climb trees, then cutting the trees down;[384]
- killing a boy by forcing him to eat sand;[385]
- gassing Soviet POWs in a quarry;[386]
- gas chambers on wheels in Treblinka, which dumped their victims directly into burning pits; delayed-action poison gas that allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves;[387]
- rapid-construction portable gas chamber sheds;[388]
- beating people to death, then carrying out autopsies to see why they died;[389]
- introduction of Zyklon gas into the gas chambers of Auschwitz through shower heads or from steel bottles;[390]
- electrical conveyor-belt executions;[391]
- bashing people’s brains in with a pedal-driven brain-bashing machine while listening to the radio;[392]
- cremation of bodies in blast furnaces;[393]
- cremation of human bodies using no fuel at all;[394]
- skimming off boiling human fat from open-air cremation fires;[395]
- mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies, removed without a trace within a few weeks; a true miracle of improvisation on the part of the Germans;[396]
- killing 840,000 Russian POWs at Sachsenhausen, and burning the bodies in 4 portable ovens;[397]
- removal of corpses by means of blasting, i.e., blowing them up;[398]
- SS bicycle races in the gas chamber of Birkenau;[399]
out of pity for complete strangers – a Jewish mother and her child – an SS-man leaps into the gas chamber voluntarily at the last second in order to die with them;[400]
- blue haze after gassing with hydrogen cyanide (which is colorless);[401]
- singing of national anthems and the Communist International by the victims in the gas chamber; evidence of atrocity propaganda of Communist origin;[402]
- a twelve-year old boy giving an impressive and heroic speech in front of the other camp children before being ‘gassed’;[403]
- filling the mouths of victims with cement to prevent them from singing patriotic or communist songs.[404]

Notes:
[355] Thanks to Jeff Roberts, Greg Raven, Orest Slepokura, Ted O’Keefe, Art Butz, Carlos Porter, Tom Moran, Jonnie A. Hargis and Joseph Bellinger for assisting me in completing this list; more can be found at www.corax.org/revisionism/nonsense/nonsense.html and www.cwporter.co.uk/partone.htm.
[356] Moshe Peer, regarding Bergen-Belsen, in K. Seidman, "Surviving the horror", The Gazette (Montreal, Canada), August 5, 1993. Facsimile reprint in JHR, 13(6) (1993), p. 24.
[357] Montreal Gazette, February 10, 2000.
[358] Morris Hubert about Buchenwald, acc. to Ari L. Goldman, "Time ‘Too Painful’ to Remember", New York Times, November 10, 1988: "‘In the camp there was a cage with a bear and an eagle,’ he said. ‘Every day, they would throw a Jew in there. The bear would tear him apart and the eagle would pick at his bones.’"
[359] A. Rückerl, op. cit. (note 144), p. 273f.; E. Wiesel, Paroles d’Etranger, Edition du Seuil, Paris 1982, p. 86; Wiesel, The Jews of Silence, New American Library, New York 1972, p. 48; A. Eichmann, in H. Arendt, op. cit. (note 182), p. 184; B. Naumann, op. cit. (note 145), p. 214.
[360] Michael A. Musmanno, The Eichmann Kommandos, Peter Davies, London 1962, pp. 152f.
[361] This imprint really meant "Reichstelle für Industrielle Fettversorgung" (Imperial Office for Industrial Fat Supplies), see S. Wiesenthal, Der neue Weg (Vienna), 15/16 & 17/18, 1946; Career affadavit of SS-Hauptsturmführer Dr. Konrad Morgen, National Archives, Record Group 28, No 5741, Office of Chief Counsel for War Crimes, December 19, 1947; Filip Friedman, This Was Oswiecim. The Story of a Murder Camp, United Jewish Relief Appeal, London 1946; the Soviets wanted to make this one of the charges at the IMT (exhibit USSR-393), but this plan failed due to the other Allies; IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VII, pp. 597-600; cf. H. Härtle, Freispruch für Deutschland, Schütz, Göttingen 1965, pp. 126ff.; the Greenwood Cemetery in Atlanta (Georgia, USA) is not the only site to boast a Holocaust-memorial gravestone for 4 bars of "Jewish soap". Cf. also the following corrections: R. Harwood, D. Felderer, JHR 1(2) (1980) pp. 131-139 (online: vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/1/2/HarwoodFelderer131-139.html) ; M. Weber, JHR 11(2) (1991) pp. 217-227 (online: …/11/2/Weber217-227.html); R. Faurisson, "Le savon Juif", Annales d’histoire révisionniste, 1 (1987), pp. 153-159 (online: abbc.com/aaargh/fran/archFaur/1986-1990/RF8703xx3.html).
[362] David Olère, in J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 17), p. 554, fourth column, lines 17-22.
[363] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. XXXII, pp. 258, 259, 261, 263, 265, v. III, p. 515; v. XXX, pp. 352, 355; v. VI, p. 311; v. V, p. 171.
[364] Ibid., v. XXX, p. 469.
[365] Kurt Glass, New York Times, April 10. 1995.
[366] H. Langbein, Menschen in Auschwitz, op. cit. (note 155), p. 381; IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. III, p. 516 , v. XXXII, p. 267-271.
[367] F. Müller, in H. Langbein, op. cit. (note 154), v. 1, p. 87; witness Wells in the Eichmann Trial, in F. J. Scheidl, op. cit. (note 77), v. 4, p. 236; Lawrence L. Lange, "Pre-empting the Holocaust", The Atlantic Monthly, November 1998, p. 107.
[368] F. Müller, op. cit. (note 395), p. 74.
[369] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VII, p. 451.
[370] Ibid., p. 447f.
[371] SS-judge Konrad Morgen, acc. to Danuta Czech, Auschwitz Chronicle, 1939-1945, Henry Holt, New York, 1990, p. 818.
[372] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VII, p. 491.
[373] H. Langbein, Menschen in Auschwitz, op. cit. (note 155), pp. 383f.
[374] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. V, p. 403.
[375] Ibid., v. XVI, pp. 556f.; v. XVI, pp. 561, 546.
[376] World Jewish Congress et al. (eds.), The Black Book: The Nazi Crime Against the Jewish People, New York 1946, p 269.
[377] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VI, p. 213.
[378] Verdict of the Hannover District Court, Ref. 2 Ks 1/60; cf. H. Lichtenstein, op. cit. (note 88), p. 83.
[379] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VII, p. 570.
[380] Aside from C. Mattogno, op. cit. (note 353), cf. esp. S. Szende, Der letzte Jude aus Polen, Europa-Verlag, Zürich 1945; S. Wiesenthal, Der neue Weg (Vienna), 19/20, 1946; IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VII, 576-577, 369, for Bergen-Belsen!; The Black Book of Polish Jewry, Roy Publishers, New York 1943, p. 313.
[381] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. XVI, p. 529
[382] Aside from C. Mattogno, op. cit. (note 353), cf. esp. W. Grossmann, Die Hölle von Treblinka, Verlag für fremdsprachige Literatur, Moscow 1947; The Black Book of Polish Jewry, op. cit. (note 380).
[383] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. XXXII, pp. 153-158; M. Weber, A. Allen, JHR 12(2) (1992) pp. 133-158, here 134-136 (online: vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/12/2/WeberAllen133-158.html).
[384] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VII, p. 582; Eugen Kogon, The Theory and Practice of Hell, Berkley Medallion (NY) 1960, p. 99
[385] Rudolf Reder, Belzec, Kraków 1946, p. 16; found in Martin Gilbert, The Holocaust, Holt, Rinehart and Winston, New York 1985, p. 419.
[386] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VII, p. 388.
[387] Reports of the Polish underground movement, Archiv der Polnischen Vereinigten Arbeiterpartei, 202/III, v. 7, pp. 120f., quoted in P. Longerich, op. cit. (note 285), p. 438.
[388] R. Aschenauer (ed.), Ich, Adolf Eichmann, Druffel, Leoni 1980, pp. 179f.
[389] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. V, p. 199.
[390] M. Scheckter and a report of June 4, 1945, written by an officer of the 2nd Armored Division, about Auschwitz; Französisches Büro des Informationsdienstes über Kriegsverbrechen (ed.), op. cit. (note 395), p. 184, Wolfgang Benz , (ed.), Dimension des Völkermords, Oldenbourg, Munich 1991, p. 462.
[391] Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945, cf. U. Walendy, Historische Tatsachen No. 31: "Die Befreiung von Auschwitz 1945", Verlag für Volkstum und Zeitgeschichtsforschung, Vlotho 1987, p. 4.
[392] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VII, pp. 376f.
[393] H. von Moltke, Briefe an Freya 1939-1945, Beck, Munich 1988, p. 420; cf. P. Longerich (ed.), op. cit. (note 285), p. 435; Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945.
[394] See Arnulf Neumaier’s article in this handbook; IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. XX, p. 494.
[395] R. Höß, in M. Broszat (ed.), op. cit. (note 74), p. 130; H. Tauber, in J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 17), pp. 489f.; F. Müller, Sonderbehandlung, Steinhausen, Munich 1979, pp. 207f., 217ff.; H. Langbein, Menschen in Auschwitz, op. cit. (note 155), p. 148; B. Naumann, op. cit. (note 145), pp. 10, 334f., 443; S. Steinberg, according to Französisches Büro des Informationsdienstes über Kriegsverbrechen (ed.), Konzentrationslager Dokument 321, Reprint 2001, Frankfurt/Main 1993, p. 206; and many more.
[396] Aside from note 382, cf. also W. Benz, Dimension des Völkermords, Oldenbourg, Munich 1991; pp. 320, 469, 479, 489, 537ff.
[397] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VII, p. 586
[398] R. Höß, in M. Broszat (ed.), op. cit. (note 74), pp. 161f.; A. Rückerl, NS-Prozesse, op. cit. (note 131), p. 78; H. Grabitz, NS-Prozesse…, op. cit. (note 194), p. 28.
[399] Nürnberger Nachrichten, Sept. 11, 1978, report about eyewitness testimony in the jury court trial in Aschaffenburg.
[400] E. Bonhoeffer, op. cit. (note 216), pp. 48f.
[401] R. Böck, Frankfurt Public Prosecutor’s Office, Ref. 4 Js 444/59, pp. 6881f.
[402] H. G. Adler, H. Langbein, E. Lingens-Reiner (eds.), Auschwitz – Zeugnisse und Berichte, Europäische Verlagsanstalt, Cologne 1984, p. 76.
[403] Filip Friedman, This Was Oswiecim. The Story of a Murder Camp, United Jewish Relief Appeal, London 1946, p. 72.
[404] IMT, op. cit. (note. 127), v. VII, p. 475.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html


The point is these are eyewitnesses among other eyewitnesses. If one wants to write history based on Holocaust eyewitnesses, then these stories must be aknoweledged also. None of these have been verified by any real evidence. So if one believes just one or two these stories, why wouldnt one believe all the rest of them also?!


Experiences of Paul Rassinier about the Holocaust eyewitnesses
(Quote from Lectures on the Holocaust, p. 61-63)

R: At the beginning of this second lecture, I would like to speak about the French
history and geography teacher Paul Rassinier, who can be viewed as the father
of critical historiography dealing with the Holocaust. Before the Second World
War, Rassinier was an avowed communist, and for that reason he was also active
as a partisan fighter in the Resistance after France fell to the Wehrmacht.
As such, he was arrested in the war by the German occupation forces and deported
into the Buchenwald concentration camp.
[...]
R: Germans preferred deploying Paul Rassinier and
his fellow prisoners as forced labor in firms important to the war effort rather
than executing them. So, after several weeks in quarantine custody in Buchenwald,
Rassinier finally landed in the Dora-Mittelbau camp, where the German
assembled their rockets to remotely attack the British mainland. Toward the
end of the war, he, along with the other prisoners, was transferred aimlessly
from one place to the other by the SS, which by this time was pretty headless.
Rassinier reports concerning the violent excesses of the unnerved SS men during
this transport. Rassinier finally escaped his guards and was liberated by advancing
American units.[80]
In the post-war period, Rassinier sat in the French parliament as a representative
of the Socialists.
As is probably generally known, during the period directly after the war, a
number of former concentration camp inmates began to publish articles and
books about their experiences.
One of these concentration camp authors was a French priest called Abbé Jean-
Paul Renard, who had written:
I saw how thousands upon thousands of people entered the showers in
Buchenwald, from which then lowed suffocating gas instead of a liquid.

R: When Rassinier objected to this that he knew from his own experience that
there were no gas chambers, Abbé Renard responded:[81]
Well, this is a poetic expression, so to say.
R: Another of these former inmates turned authors was Eugen Kogon, who was a
political prisoner during the war and a former fellow inmate of Rassinier in the
Buchenwald concentration camp. When Rassinier read Kogon’s book,[82] he became
so upset over what, in his view, were the distortions, exaggerations, and
plain lies written in it – particularly the blotting out of the responsibility of his
communist comrades for many of the atrocities committed in the camps – that
he wrote a book of his own, in which he criticized Kogon’s account.[83]
[...]
R: In later books, Rassinier concerned himself on an ever broadening basis with
claims of German atrocities during the Second World War and especially with
the question of whether there had been at that time a German policy of systematic
extermination of the European Jews. In Le Mensonge d’Ulysse, Rassinier
still assumed that there had been gas chambers somewhere, because he thought
that there must be fire where there is smoke. Yet as his research progressed,
Rassinier came more and more to the conclusion that there never was a systematic
program to exterminate the Jews, and with every book his certainty grew
that there were never any gas chambers in which Jews had been killed in
masses.[85] Thus, in his book Le Drame des Juifs Européens he wrote in 1964:[86]
Each time when I was told during the last fifteen years that there was a
witness in the part of Europe not occupied by the Soviets who claimed to
have experienced a gassing himself, I immediately traveled to him in order
to listen to his testimony. But in every case it ended the same way: With my
folder in my hands, I asked the witness a series of precise questions, to
which he could respond only with quite obvious lies, so that he finally had to
admit that he had not experienced this himself, but that he had related only
the story of a good friend, who had died during his internment and whose
honesty he could not question. This way I traveled thousand upon thousands
of miles throughout all of Europe.


[80] For this see Paul Rassinier’s auto-biographical description in Passage de la Ligne, La Librairie française,
Paris 1948; Engl.: The Holocaust Story and the Lies of Ulysses, 2nd ed., Institute for Historical
Review, New Port Beach 1990.
[81] Paul Rassinier, Le Mensonge d’Ulysse, La Librairie française, Paris 1950, p. 133.
(www.vho.org/dl/FRA/mu.pdf).
[82] Eugen Kogon, Der SS-Staat. Das System der deutschen Konzentrationslager, Verlag Karl Alber, Munich
1946 (Engl.: The Theory and Practice of Hell. The German Concentration Camps and the System
behind them, Secker & Warburg, London 1950 / Berkley Books, New York 1998).
[83] Paul Rassiner, op. cit. (note 81), chapter V; Engl. see note 80.
[84] LG München 1, 10th civil court (ref.: 10-0 409/58), judgment of Dec. 13, 1958.
[85] Paul Rassinier, Ulysse trahi par les siens (www.vho.org/dl/FRA/uts.pdf): Further critical remarks on
false statements by former co-inmates; Le Drame des juifs européens, (www.vho.org/dl/FRA/dje.pdf):
critical analysis of Raul Hilberg’s book The Destruction of the European Jews (op. cit., note 39); Le
véritable procès Eichmann ou les vainqueurs incorrigibles (www.vho.org/dl/FRA/vpe.pdf; Engl.: The
Real Eichmann Trial or The Incorrigible Victors, Institute for Historical Review, Torrance 1976;
www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres2/PRreal.pdf): critical analysis of the evidence on the extermination of
the Jews on the occasion of the Jerusalem Eichmann trial; L’opération Vicaire
(www.vho.org/dl/FRA/ov.pdf): Critique of the theater play The Deputy by Rolf Hochhuth on Kurt Gerstein
and the role of the Vatican in the alleged cover-up of the Holocaust. See also the Engl. language
compilation of some of Rassinier’s works: Debunking the Genocide Myth, The Noontide Press, Torrance,
CA, 1978.
[86] Paul Rassinier, Le Drame des Juifs Européns, Paris 1964, p. 79.
(End of quote from Lectures on the Holocaust, p. 61-63)

My point is: the first person who publicly started to critically question these Holocaust eyewitnesses was a French communist, partisan fighter, and former concentration camp prisoner.


The Only Trial Where The Holocaust Witnesses Were Cross-Examined, The First Zündel Trial, 1985

German-Canadian Ernst Zündel was prosecuted for distributing Did Six Million Really Die, in 1985, later again in 1988. In this trial the prosecutor had called two Holocaust witnesses to testify, what they had experienced in Auschwitz, during the War; Arnold Friedman and Rudolf Vrba. Friedman had claimed that he saw flames shooting out of chimneys and that he had guessed from which country the burned bodies were from. Vrba testified that he saw gassings and cremations of bodies. Under cross-examination, both of these eyewitness testimonies completely collapsed. The eyewitnesses had to admit that they had not seen what they claimed.
In the end, a bit of drama unfolded: Mr. Griffiths, the prosecutor who had himself solicited the presence of this witness numero uno and yet now apparently exasperated by Dr. Vrba's lies, fired off the following question:
"You told Mr. Christie several times in discussing your book I Cannot Forgive that you used poetic license in writing that book. Have you used poetic license in your testimony?" (p. 1636).
The false witness tried to parry the blow but prosecutor Griffiths hit him with a second question equally treacherous, this time concerning the number of gassing victims which Vrba had given; the witness responded with garrulous nonsense; Griffiths was getting ready to ask him a third and final question when suddenly, the matter was cut short and one heard the prosecutor say to the judge:
"I have no further questions for Dr. Vrba" (p. 1643).
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndwitness.html


I draw the following conclusion from the first Zündel trial; the prosecutor must have called the best eyewitnesses, whom he could possibly get. Before these witnesses he saw his expert holocaust-scholar witness' (Raul Hilberg's) testimony to collapse, or at least shaking.
http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/09hilberg.html He wouldnt want to see the same thing happening to eyewitnesses. So if the best, or at least one of the best, possible eyewitness testimonies collapsed under cross-examination, what would happen to 'not-so-good' eyewitnesses under cross-examination? (Eyewitnesses had also collapsed many times before when, Paul Rassinier had questioned them.)


The point which I have here documented is: The value of the Holocaust eyewitness testimonies, concerning some alleged atrocities, is so low that it must be viewed with skepticism and they need to be verified with documentary evidence, or the eyewitness testimonies can only be used as to support documentary evidence. Eyewitness testimonies CANNOT BE TAKEN AS DIRECT EVIDENCE about anything (unfortunately "holocaust experts" have accepted them as a direct evidence).

Next we will look at the 'confessions' from the Germans.


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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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6)Show Trials and The Value Of The Confessions From The Germans

quote:
R: First, let us have a look at what is going on during interrogations in our socalled
“nations under law.” In this regard, I would like to refer to a news report
by the U.S. TV channel ABC on the manner in which innocent people can be
made to confess to the crime of murder through the use of perfectly ordinary
interrogation techniques, after which their confessions are deemed sufficiently
probative to secure a murder conviction. The real murderers were only caught
later, by accident, resulting in a scandal revealing the truth about certain common
methods of police interrogation:[935]
Every year, thousands of criminals are convicted on the basis of confessions
obtained from police interrogations. Experts say law enforcement interrogation
techniques are so effective that they can break down the most
hardened criminal – and even people who are innocent of the crime they are
being accused of. Experts believe there have been hundreds of cases where
innocent men succumbed to interrogation and confessed to crimes they did
not commit.

R: Rich Fallin, former police officer in Maryland, himself a specialist in interrogation,
says:
You take someone who is vulnerable, like a grieving family member or
someone who isn’t used to being confronted by police. If interrogated long
enough, they’ll probably confess.

R: The methods are quite simple: the interrogators confront the suspect with evidence,
such as horrible photos of the crime scene or the testimonies of other
witnesses, and simply suggest – mendaciously – that they can prove that he is
guilty. The interrogation lasts many hours, often without interruption. Food and
drinks are refused or restricted to very small portions, visits to the toilet are delayed
or refused. The interrogation room is deliberately designed to be uncomfortable
and is insufficiently heated. The interrogators take turns questioning
the suspect until late in the night. The suspect is persuaded that they’ve “got the
goods on him,” that his denials will only get him a stiffer sentence, so that confession
is the only way out. Under these conditions – exhaustion, fatigue, and
emotional stress – most suspects break down, whether they are guilty or innocent.
Due to a long series of unjust convictions based on this kind of extorted confession,
the state of Illinois, to set an example, instituted a moratorium on the execution
of death sentences in the year 2000.[936]

L: That is one good reason why lawyers tell you not to say anything without a
lawyer present, whenever you get arrested or receive a summons.
R: That is quite right, because everything you say will be used against you. Unfortunately,
many people are naïve enough to believe that the police are invariably
men of integrity. But that is not so. Police men in the crime squad deal with the
most reprehensible sorts of people on a daily basis and act accordingly.

[935] ABC, March 15, 2003: cf. the entire text: Manfred Köhler, “Forced Confessions: Why Innocent Defendants Admit their Guilt,” TR 1(4) (2003), pp. 465f.
[936] Cf. “Illinois suspends death penalty,” CNN, Jan. 13, 2000
(http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/01/....executions.02/).

(End of quote from: Lectures p. 372-373)

Thousands of innocent people in jail because of the "effective" police interrogation technicues. So this is the situation today, at peace time.


How about right after the second World War?

quote:
3.3.1. Allied Post-War Trials

In order to assess the value of eyewitness testimony and confessions relating to the Holocaust, one must first examine the conditions prevailing in the Allied post-war trials in Nuremberg and elsewhere. For it is the verdicts handed down in these trials which recorded, in sketchy outlines, the accounts of the Holocaust given by eyewitness testimony and putative confessions. These Allied trials may be roughly divided into two types, namely those carried out by the respective occupying powers as these saw fit, and those carried out with at least initial co-operation between the victorious powers within the framework of the International Military Tribunal (IMT) in Nuremberg.[25]

3.3.1.1. American Trials

Immediately after the end of the war the Americans placed all Germans who held leading positions in the Party, the state or the economy under "automatic arrest" without trial.[26] In this way hundreds of thousands ended up in prison camps consisting in the main only of fenced-in meadows. Shortly after the end of the war all German prisoners were stripped of their status as prisoners-of-war.[27] The Allies considered civilian internees to have no rights whatsoever; particularly in the American and French spheres of influence, these prisoners lived mostly in burrows in the ground, received insufficient food, were denied all medical assistance, and neither the International Red Cross nor other organizations nor even private individuals were allowed to help. In this way the prisoners in the American run camps died like flies by the hundreds of thousands.[28]

Military Government Ordinance No. 1 required every German, on pain of lifetime imprisonment, to give the Allies any and all information they required.[29] Thus German witnesses could be forced to give evidence by imprisoning them for years, subjecting them to hours of interrogation, or threatening to hand them over to the Russians.[30] A separate department, "Special Project", was responsible for obtaining incriminating evidence against reluctant witnesses. The material obtained in this way was used to bend the witnesses to the Allies’ will, since this information was used to threaten them with prosecution if they refused to give incriminating evidence against others.[31]

This fact alone shows that after the war every German was practically outlawed and became fair game for persecution, and found himself unexpectedly in a situation where he would give the Allies any information they sought – even if such information was false – rather than suffer the blows of arbitrary despotism looming over him at every turn.

In the American Occupation Zone, trials against various defendants were conducted under the United States’ or U.S. Army’s sovereignty in Dachau, Ludwigsburg, Darmstadt and Salzburg.[32] These trials fell roughly into three categories:
1) crimes in concentration camps (including the cases of euthanasia);
2) murders of bailed-out Allied plane crews;
3) the alleged war crime of Malmedy at the Ardennes Offensive.

Preparation for these trials included the interrogation of suspects and witnesses in various camps and prisons known as torture chambers today, such as Ebensee, Freising, Oberursel, Zuffenhausen and Schwäbisch Hall.[33] Rückerl (West Germany’s official top “Nazi hunter”) comments succinctly:
"Even the Americans themselves soon objected to the way in which some American military tribunals conducted their trials, particularly to the fact that what was repeatedly used as evidence in these trials were confessions of the accused which had been obtained in preliminary hearings, sometimes under the worst possible physical and psychological pressure."[34]
[...]
The manner in which the Americans extorted confessions from accused persons, or statements from reluctant witnesses subjected to automatic arrest both in the prisons for those awaiting trial as well as during the main hearing in Dachau, left clearly visible marks: the methods used were:
- skin burns
- destruction of the bed of the (finger-, i.e., toe-)nails with burning matches
- torn-out fingernails
- knocked-in teeth
- broken jaws
- crushed testicles
- wounds of all kinds due to beatings with clubs
- brass knuckles and kicks
- being locked up naked in cold, damp and dark rooms for several days
- imprisonment in hot rooms with nothing to drink
- mock trials
- mock convictions
- mock executions
- bogus clergymen, and many more.[41],[42]


According to Joachim Peiper, principal defendant in the Malmedy Trial, what was even worse than these so-called third-degree interrogation methods was the feeling of being completely at the mercy of others while being totally cut off from the outside world and one’s fellow prisoners. Another method the Americans used, which was often successful, was to play the prisoners off against each other with threats and promises in order to obtain false incriminating statements. This would help to break the prisoners’ resistance, which had its roots in the solidarity among them (second-degree interrogations).[43]

The protocols of these interrogations, which lasted for hours and even days, were cut-and-pasted into so-called affidavits by the prosecution; those parts which exonerated the accused were deleted, and contents were frequently distorted by re-wording.[44] Aside from these dubious affidavits, anything and everything was admissible as evidence, including, for example, un-notarized copies of documents as well as third-hand statements (hearsay).[45] In one case even the unfinished, unsigned affidavit of one accused whom all the abuse had driven to suicide was used as evidence![46] And Order SOP No. 4 promised that any accused who offered to give State’s evidence to incriminate others would be set free.[47] The effects of this regulation was demonstrated by Lautern, who described two cases in which the accused bought their freedom with false statements incriminating third parties.[48]

Up to the start of the trials the accused had no legal representation whatsoever, and even during the trials the defense attorneys rarely provided effective support, since these defense counsels (appointed by the Court) in many cases were themselves citizens of the victorious powers, usually with a poor command of the German language. They showed little interest in defending their clients and sometimes even acted blatantly as prosecutors, going so far as to threaten the defendants and to persuade them to make false confessions of guilt.[49] But even if, like American attorney W. M. Everett for example, they were willing to carry out their duties as defense counsels, the prosecution and the Court made this almost impossible for them: the defense was reluctantly given only partial access to pertinent documents, and conversations with the accused were not possible until just before and sometimes not even until after the trials had begun, and only ever under Allied supervision. Frequently it was not until just before the trial that the defense was informed of the charges, which tended to be sweeping and general in nature.[50] Motions to hear witnesses for the defense, or to contest evidence such as extorted statements, were usually refused.[51] And this was fully in accordance with the regulations of the American Occupation Power; Article 7 of Ordinance Number 7 of the Military Government for the American Zone states, with respect to the charter of certain military tribunals:

"The Tribunals shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence […] The tribunal shall afford the opposing party such opportunity to question the […] probative value of such evidence as in the opinion of the tribunal the ends of justice require."[52]

It was left to the Court to decide what was necessary. In other words, the protocol was purely arbitrary.

It is an interesting matter to determine how the incriminating statements, especially those made by former inmates of the concentration camps, are to be evaluated. The prosecution used a special technique to obtain these statements – so-called "stage shows" or "revues".[53] For this purpose the prosecution gathered up former concentration camp inmates and put them into an auditorium. The accused were placed on a well-lit stage while the former inmates sat in the darkened room and could bring any and all conceivable accusations against the accused, accompanied at times by furious yelling and the most vile curses. In those cases where, contrary to expectation, no charges were made against an accused, or when those accusations that were made seemed insufficient, the prosecution helped matters along by persuading and sometimes even threatening the witnesses.[54] If this shameful tactic still did not suffice to obtain incriminating statements, the prosecution nevertheless did not shy away from a trial; exonerating statements were simply destroyed by the prosecution.[55] These stage-shows continued until an American officer donned an SS uniform and appeared on the stage before the howling witnesses, who promptly incriminated him as a concentration camp thug.[56]

Defense witnesses from the concentration camps were withheld, threatened, sometimes even arrested and abused by the prosecution.[57] Many former concentration camp inmates threatened their one-time fellow sufferers with reprisals against their families or even with incriminating statements and indictments against them if they failed to give sufficiently incriminating testimony or statements against third parties. Even threats of murder are documented to have been made against fellow prisoners.[58] The VVN (Vereinigung der Verfolgten des Naziregimes = Organization of Persons Persecuted by the Nazi Regime),[59] the organization that decided which former inmates living in the starving Germany of those days would receive food rations, housing authorization etc., used its power to pressure many former fellow prisoners into not taking the stand as defense witnesses. It even expressly forbade the former fellow prisoners to give exonerating testimony.[60]

Those witnesses who were willing to give incriminating evidence were conspicuous by virtue of their frequent appearance, sometimes in groups, at various trials where they could expect to receive considerable compensation, both financial and in goods. In many cases these "professional witnesses", who openly coordinated their testimony amongst themselves, were criminal ex-convicts who had been promised exemption from punishment in return for their cooperation.[61] Judges G. Simpson and E. L. van Roden, whom the U. S. Army had appointed as investigating commission, are said to have used the term "scum of humanity" in this context.[62] Even when such or other witnesses were found to have perjured themselves, they were never prosecuted.[63] On the contrary: only if a witness told the Court of the methods with which his testimony had come about, and thus rescinded his statements – only then did the prosecution take steps against him.[64]

In principle, the trials in Dachau were all the same, regardless of whether they dealt with crimes in the concentration camps, with murders of airmen, or with the Malmedy Case. F. Oscar correctly points out[65] that torture was worse in the Malmedy Case due to the dearth of ‘witnesses’, while the superfluity of ‘witnesses’ in the concentration camp cases resulted in "stage shows" instead. In the euthanasia and physicians cases the method of choice was the confiscation of exonerating documents and the suppression of exculpatory statements.[66] Freda Utley stated[67] that the concentration camp cases were even worse than the Malmedy Case, which was already unparalleled.[68]

What must one think of historians who, like Thomas A. Schwartz, claimed as late as 1990 and in Germany’s foremost periodical on contemporary history, that the American trials had been conducted in accordance with the stipulations of the Geneva Convention; that the main problem with these trials had merely been the lack of opportunity for appeal and the uncertain future treatment of the convicted; that the cases of Ilse Koch63 and Malmedy were the only ones of particular significance; and that the committee appointed by the U.S. Senate had exonerated the American occupation authorities from the more serious charges?[69] One must think that Schwartz was either extremely ignorant or extremely perverse!


3.3.1.2. British Trials

In the first post-war years the British, on the whole, acted no differently than the Americans. According to Aschenauer, the main features of the American post-war trials also characterized those British trials taking place in Werl,[70] where leading officers of the Wehrmacht as well as concentration camp guards from Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen and Natzweiler were tried.[71] One fundamental difference, however, was that no investigating commissions were introduced during or after these trials, so that the internal proceedings of, for example, the British interrogation camps and prisons – most notably Minden,[72] Bad Nenndorf[73] and Hameln – remained sub-surface.

From two examples, however, it becomes clear that interrogation methods of second and third degree were the rule there as well. The first example is the torture of the former Commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Höß, in the prison of Minden. This torture was not only mentioned by Höß himself in his autobiography,[74] but has also been confirmed by one of his torturers[75] who, rather as an aside, also mentioned the torture of Hans Frank in Minden.[76] And further, in his testimony before the International Military Tribunal (IMT), Oswald Pohl reported that similar methods were used in Bad Nenndorf and that this was how his own affidavit had been obtained.[77] The example of Höß is especially important since his statement was used at the IMT as the confession of a perpetrator, to prove the mass murder of the Jews (see 3.3.1.5). In 2001, Patricia Meehan revealed some ugly features of the network of secret "Direct Interrogation Centres" the British had set up in their occupational zone of Germany. Those centers are indeed best characterized as torture chambers to receive ‘evidence’ for the upcoming trials.[78]

3.3.1.3. French Trials

We know comparatively little about the French trials of the camp staff of the concentration camps Neue Bremme and Natzweiler.[79] However, judging from the French conduct towards German civilians under "automatic arrest"[80] as well as towards the population of the occupied territories[81] – which was just as bad as, if not worse than, the conduct of the Americans – one may conclude that the French were equal to the Americans in every way.

3.3.1.4. Soviet-Russian Trials

The trials in the Soviet Occupation Zone can be considered as part of the continuation of the war crimes tribunals that had been held in the Soviet Union ever since the outbreak of hostilities in 1941. In 1950, an official report confirmed that these war crimes trials were a violation of international law.[82] Maurach reports that the preliminary hearings were characterized by continuous, i.e., non-stop interrogations, physical abuse of all kinds, distorted protocols, playing prisoners off against each other, forced denunciation of others, etc; and the main hearings by summary mass trials before special courts governed by arbitrary rules of procedure.[83] There is a general consensus of opinion regarding these procedures, and even the Federal German Ministry of Justice has commented to this effect.[84] In a recent publication by a renowned Russian historian and based on original Russian archives, these early German expert reports were confirmed.[85] The same goes for comparable trials held by the Soviet satellite states in the first few years following the war. Buszko, for example, reports that in Poland, just as with the IMT, a special court was set up whose verdicts were incontestable.[86] Further, the Federal Ministry of Justice has described the early trials in the German Democratic Republic as arbitrary trials[87] whose darkest chapter, the so-called Waldheim Trials, was recently set out in detail by Eisert.[88]

3.3.1.5. The International Military Tribunal and its Successor Tribunals

The actual International Military Tribunal consisted of prosecutors and judges from the four Allies Powers – hardly an objective tribunal.
[...]
Three articles pertaining to the rights of the Court are particularly significant. Article 18, for example, determined that the Court should
"confine the Trial strictly to an expeditious hearing of the issues raised by the charges [sic]"

and that it could refuse any and all questions and explanations it deemed unnecessary or irrelevant. Article 19 states verbatim:
"The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to have probative value."

And Article 21 – the effect of this article still today gives the cloak of respectability to anti-scientific legal conclusions:
"The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof […]"

According to the London Agreement, these "facts of common knowledge" included anything which any office or commission from any Allied nation claimed in documents, files, reports and protocols. Thus, all ‘evidence’ produced in the trials discussed in 3.3.1.1 to 3.3.1.4 was deemed to be a matter of fact needing no further substantiation. The IMT categorized the SS and the Waffen-SS, for example, as criminal organizations primarily on the basis of the ‘evidence’ produced in the Dachau Trials.[91]

In the time leading up to the trial, the Soviets bluntly stated that they wished to execute the accused without a trial or at most after a summary show-trial, since their guilt was self-evident anyhow.[92] While some voices were raised in agreement on the side of the western Allies,[93] the understanding that only a ‘real’ trial could be effective did predominate.[94]
[...]
The newspaper Neues Österreich shed new light on the quality of this type of media reporting when it commented on witness testimony in an NSG trial in the following way, which unfortunately is typical for our media:
"Whatever the accused cannot disprove did obviously take place, as incredible as it may sound."[330]

In other words, the public consents to the practice that in NSG trials it is not the guilt of the accused that must be proven, but rather that the accused must prove his innocence of any and all conceivable accusations, in the tradition of the Inquisition of medieval times.


[25] A remarkable study about the Nuremberg Trials was presented by M. Weber, JHR 12(2) (1992) pp. 167-213 (online: ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html).
[26] R. Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, Quadrangle Books, Chicago 1961, p. 691; M. Lautern, Das letzte Wort über Nürnberg, Dürer, Buenos Aires 1950, p. 18; cf. the accounts of personal experience by J. Gheorge, Automatic Arrest, Druffel, Leoni 1956; J. Hiess, Glasenbach, Welsermühl, Wels 1956; L. Rendulic, Glasenbach – Nürnberg – Landsberg, Stocker, Graz 1953; M. Brech, W. Laska, H. von der Heide, JHR 10(2) (1990) pp. 161-185 (online: vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/10/2/Brech161-166.html and following).
[27] D. Irving, Der Nürnberger Prozeß, 2nd ed., Heyne, Munich 1979, p. 26; R. Tiemann, Der Malmedy-Prozeß, Munin, Osnabrück 1990, pp. 70, 93f. Since D. Irving published a more sophisticated book about Nuremberg, (D. Irving, Nuremberg. The Last Battle, Focal Point, London 1996) the reader should refer to this, even though it could not be included in detail in this study which was written prior to its publication.
[28] J. Bacque, Other Losses, Stoddart, Toronto 1989.
[29] Enacted on Aug. 16, 1945; A. von Knieriem, Nürnberg. Rechtliche und menschliche Probleme, Klett, Stuttgart 1953, p. 158.
[30] F. Utley, The High Cost of Vengeance, Regnery, Chicago 1949, p. 172.
[31] Op. cit., p. 171; M. Lautern, op. cit. (note 26), p. 24.
[32] R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Recht und Wirtschaft, Munich 1952, p. 5; cf. also ibid., Zur Frage einer Revision der Kriegsverbrecherprozesse, pub. by author, Nuremberg 1949, see esp. pp. 14ff.
[33] R. Tiemann, op. cit. (note 27), pp. 71, 73; F. Oscar, Über Galgen wächst kein Gras, Erasmus-Verlag, Braunschweig 1950, pp. 77ff.
[34] A. Rückerl, NS-Verbrechen vor Gericht, C. F. Müller, Heidelberg 1984, p. 98.
[35] Regarding G. Froeschmann cf. O. W. Koch, Dachau – Landsberg, Justizmord – oder Mord-Justiz?, Refo-Verlag, Witten 1974.
[36] Regarding W. M. Everett cf. R. Tiemann, op. cit. (note 27), esp. pp. 82, 103ff. This also contains the best account of the activities of the various investigative committees.
[37] R. Tiemann, ibid., p. 144.
[38] Ibid., esp. pp. 160ff., 175ff., 282ff.; R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), p. 65f.
[39] R. Tiemann, op. cit. (note 27), p. 181.
[40] Congressional Record-Senate No. 134, July 26, 1949, pp. 10397ff., reprinted in its entirety in R. Tiemann, op. cit. (note 27), pp. 269ff.
[41] Aside from McCarthy, op. cit. (note 40), also cf. R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), F. Utley, op. cit. (note 30), esp. pp. 190ff.; F. Oscar, op. cit. (note 33), pp. 38ff.
[42] J. Halow, JHR 9(4) (1989) pp. 453-483 (online: vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/9/4/Halow453-483.html); J. Halow, Siegerjustiz in Dachau, Druffel, Leoni 1993; for a typical example, cf. the case of Ilse Koch in A. L. Smith, Die "Hexe von Buchenwald", Böhlau, Cologne 1983; for Malmedy cf. also R. Merriam, JHR 2(2) (1981) pp. 165-176 (online: …/2/2/Merriam165-176.html).
[43] R. Tiemann, op. cit. (note 27), pp. 86, 220f.
[44] A. von Knieriem, op. cit. (note 29), pp. 159, 169; M. Lautern, op. cit. (note 26), p. 41ff.; see also the chapter by I. Weckert, this volume.
[45] R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), pp. 32f.; cf. Article 7, Ordinance No. 7 of the Military Government of the American Zone, in A. von Knieriem, op. cit. (note 29), p. 558.
[46] R. Tiemann, op. cit. (note 27), p. 102.
[47] Address by J. McCarthy, op. cit. (note 40); R. Tiemann, op. cit. (note 27), p. 275.
[48] M. Lautern, op. cit. (note 26), p. 32, regarding E. von dem Bach-Zelewski and F. Gaus. The cases of W. Höttl and D. Wisliceny are similar – and the list could go on.
[49] R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), pp. 29f., 43f.
[50] R. Aschenauer, ibid., pp. 26ff.; F. Utley, op. cit. (note 30), p. 197.
[51] R. Tiemann, op. cit. (note 27), pp. 91, 96f., 103.
[52] A. von Knieriem, op. cit. (note 29), p. 558.
[53] Cf. R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), pp. 18ff.; O. W. Koch, op. cit. (note 35), p. 127.
[54] R. Aschenauer, ibid., p. 24ff., 33f.
[55] R. Aschenauer, ibid., p. 21.
[56] Gesellschaft für freie Publizistik, Das Siegertribunal, Nation Europa, Coburg 1976, pp. 69f.
[57] R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), pp. 42f.; R. Tiemann, op. cit. (note 27), p. 98ff., 103.
[58] F. Utley, op. cit. (note 30), pp. 195.
[59] Later on the VVN was declared an unconstitutional Communist association.
[60] R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), pp. 42f.; F. Utley, op. cit. (note 30), p. 198; O. W. Koch, op. cit. (note 35), p. 53; Gesellschaft für freie Publizistik, op. cit. (note 56), p. 67.
[61] R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), pp. 21, 24ff.; F. Utley, op. cit. (note 30), pp. 195, 198; O. W. Koch, op. cit. (note 35), pp. 48, 55; cf. note 48 (‘Crown witness’).
[62] Gesellschaft für freie Publizistik, op. cit. (note 56), p. 69.
[63] M. Lautern, op. cit. (note 26), pp. 33, 51.
[64] M. Lautern, ibid., pp. 42f., describes such a case; cf. also the fate of E. Puhl, Vice President of the Reichsbank, during the IMT: H. Springer, Das Schwert auf der Waage, Vowinckel, Heidelberg 1953, pp. 178f.
[65] R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), p. 13; F. Oscar, op. cit. (note 33), pp. 67f.
[66] For the best-documented example of a miscarriage of justice concerning a physician, cf. Zeitgeschichtliche Forschungsstelle Ingolstadt (ed.), Der Fall Rose. Ein Nürnberger Urteil wird widerlegt, Mut-Verlag, Asendorf 1988.
[67] F. Utley, op. cit. (note 30), p. 194.
[68] To date, the only example of a Dachau trial that has been reviewed in detail: cf. A. L. Smith, op. cit. (note 42), esp. pp. 110ff.
[69] T. A. Schwartz, "Die Begnadigung deutscher Kriegsverbrecher", VfZ 38 (1990) pp. 375-414.
[70] R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), pp. 72ff.
[71] A. Rückerl, op. cit. (note 34); for a comprehensive discussion of the British trial of the suppliers of Zyklon B to Auschwitz, cf. W. B. Lindsey, op. cit. (note 1).
[72] According to R. Faurisson, Annales d’Histoire Révisionniste 1 (1987) p. 149 (online: abbc.com/aaargh/fran/archFaur/1986-1990/RF8703xx1.html); Minden/Weser was the interrogation headquarters of the British military police.
[73] R. Aschenauer, Macht gegen Recht, (note 32), p. 72, tells of the infamous Special Camp Bad Nenndorf, where preliminary hearings culminated in severe physical abuse.
[74] R. Höß, in M. Broszat (ed.), Kommandant in Auschwitz, dtv, Munich 1983, pp. 149f.; cf. R. Faurisson, op. cit. (note 72), p. 137-152; in English: JHR 7(4) (1986) pp. 389-403; in German: DGG 35(1) (1987) pp. 12-17 (online: vho.org/D/DGG/Faurisson35_1.html); cf. also R. Faurisson, NV 33 (1994) pp. 111-117.
[75] B. Clarke, as quoted in R. Butler, Legions of Death, Arrow Books Ltd., London 1986, pp. 236f.
[76] R. Butler, ibid., pp. 238f.
[77] O. Pohl, "Letzte Aufzeichnungen", in U. Walendy, Historische Tatsachen Nr. 47, Verlag für Volkstum und Zeitgeschichtsforschung, Vlotho 1991, pp. 35ff.; M. Lautern, op. cit. (note 26), pp. 43ff.; D. Irving, Der Nürnberger Prozeß, op. cit. (note 27), pp. 80f.; Pohl considered himself legally innocent, since he had neither caused nor tolerated any atrocities: cf. O. Pohl, Credo. Mein Weg zu Gott, A. Girnth, Landshut 1950, p. 43; cf. also A. Moorehead’s account of the rough interrogation methods used by the British in Bergen-Belsen, published in the British monthly The European, March 1945; quoted from: F. J. Scheidl, Geschichte der Verfemung Deutschlands, pub. by author, Vienna 1967, v. 3, pp. 83ff.; cf. Alan Moorehead’s essay "Belsen", in Cyril Connolly (ed.), The Golden Horizon, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, London 1953, pp. 105f.
[78] Patricia Meehan, A Strange Enemy People: Germans Under The British 1945-50, Peter Owen Publishers, 2001
[79] A. Rückerl, op. cit. (note 34), p. 99.
[80] Aside from J. Bacque, op. cit. (note 28), see also the accounts of brutal torture of internees in Landesverband der ehemaligen Besatzungsinternierten Baden-Württemberg (ed.), Die Internierung im Deutschen Südwesten, pub. by ed., Karlsruhe 1960, esp. pp. 73ff.; cf. also A. L. Smith, VfZ 32 (1984) pp. 103-121, who bases his study exclusively on official accounts of Allied sources. Would it be equally appropriate to report about the conditions in German concentration camps exclusively on the basis of official contemporaneous accounts of German governmental and administrative sources?
[81] F. Utley, op. cit. (note 30), pp. 287ff.
[82] C. Roediger, Völkerrechtliches Gutachten über die strafrechtliche Aburteilung deutscher Kriegsgefangener in der Sowjetunion, Heidelberg 1950.
[83] R. Maurach, Die Kriegsverbrecherprozesse gegen deutsche Gefangene in der Sowjetunion, Arbeitsgemeinschaft vom Roten Kreuz in Deutschland (British Zone), Hamburg 1950, pp. 79ff.
[84] Reproduced in part in A. Rückerl, op. cit. (note 34), p. 100. See also the chapter by I. Weckert, this volume.
[85] A.E. Epifanow, H. Mayer, Die Tragödie der deutschen Kriegsgefangenen in Stalingrad von 1942 bis 1956 nach russischen Archivunterlagen, Biblio, Osnabrück 1996; cf. E. Peter, A. Epifanow, Stalins Kriegsgefangene, Stocker, Graz 1997.
[86] J. Buszko, Auschwitz. Geschichte und Wirklichkeit des Vernichtungslagers, Rowohlt, Reinbek 1980, pp. 193ff.; R. Henkys, op. cit. (note 9), p. 191, believes that in 1947 the Polish took care to ensure that trials were conducted in accordance with the principles of rule-of-law. But since hardly any of these trials at that time in the sphere of influence of Stalin were conducted as such, one wonders on which information Henkys relies.
[87] A. Rückerl, op. cit. (note 34), p. 211.
[88] W. Eisert, Die Waldheimer Prozesse, Bechtle, Munich 1993; for an account of a more recent trial regarding Oradour and Lidice, cf. H. Lichtenstein, Im Namen des Volkes?, Bund, Cologne 1984, pp. 132ff. According to Lichtenstein, the defense acted as secondary prosecution in this trial.
[89] A. Rückerl, op. cit. (note 34), pp. 95ff.
[90] Reprinted in its entirety in T. Taylor, The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials, Little, Boston 1992, pp. 645ff. For accounts of the IMT, cf. also H. Härtle, Freispruch für Deutschland, Schütz, Göttingen 1965; H. H. Saunders, Forum der Rache, Druffel, Leoni 1986; F. J. P. Veale, Advance to Barbarism, Institute for Historical Review, Newport Beach, CA 1983; W. Maser, Das Exempel, Blaue Aktuelle Reihe 9, Mut-Verlag, Asendorf 1986; W. E. Benton, G. Grimm (eds.), Nuremberg. German Views of the War Trials, Southern Methodist UP, Dallas 1955; C. Haensel, Der Nürnberger Prozeß, Moewig, Munich 1983; M. Bardèche, Nürnberg oder die Falschmünzer, Priester, Wiesbaden 1957; Reprint: Verlag für ganzheitliche Forschung und Kultur, Viöl 1992; A. R. Wesserle, JHR 2(2) (1981) pp. 155-164 (online: vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/2/2/Wesserle155-164.html); C. Porter, Not Guilty at Nuremberg: The German Defense Case, Historical Review Press, Brighton 1990 (online: codoh.com/trials/trintglt.html); Porter, Made in Russia: The Holocaust, ibid. 1988 (online: codoh.com/trials/trimirth.html).
[91] E.g., L. Greil on the Malmedy Trial in Oberst der Waffen-SS Jochen Peiper und der Malmedy-Prozeß, Schild, Munich 1977, p. 90; for the view taken of the SS and Waffen-SS in the IMT, cf. G. Rauschenbach, Der Nürnberger Prozeß gegen die Organisationen, L. Röhrscheid, Bonn 1954; cf. also R. Hilberg, op. cit. (note 26), p. 692.
[92] A. von Knieriem, op. cit. (note 29), pp. 127f.
[93] D. Irving, Der Nürnberger Prozeß, op. cit. (note 27), pp. 24ff.; R. Hilberg, op. cit. (note 26), pp. 684, 691; cf. C. Haidn, DGG 34(3) (1986) pp. 11-14.
[94] A. von Knieriem, op. cit. (note 29), pp. 128f.; for a detailed description of the creation of the IMT ‘Lynch Law’ cf. D. Irving, Nuremberg. The Last Battle, op. cit. (note 27), pp. 1-119.

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quote:
But back to history. The interrogations on the Holocaust, which determined the
version of history accepted today, occurred between 1944 and 1947, i.e., during
the various war crimes trials, mostly in the Soviet Union, Poland, and Germany.
[...]
During the Nuremberg Military Tribunals, which the Americans conducted all
by themselves after the IMT, the president of that tribunal, Lee B. Wyatt, stated
the following during the trial against responsible members of the former German
Race and Resettlement Main Office (Rasse- und Siedlungs-Hauptamt,
Case 8):[961]
During the course of the trial several witnesses, including some defendants,
who made affidavits that were offered as evidence by the prosecution,
testified that they were threatened, and that duress of a very improper nature
was practiced by an interrogator.

[...]
After the former Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höß was arrested by the British,
he was tortured for days, until he was finally ready to sign the “confession”

presented to him. This is not only revealed by his memoirs, which Höß wrote in
a Polish prison:[967]
On March 11, 1946, at 11 p.m., I was arrested. […] I was treated terribly
by the (British) Field Security Police. […] During the first interrogation
they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what is in the transcript, or
what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat
me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear. […] Minden on the
Weser River […]. There they treated me even more roughly, especially the
first British prosecutor, who was a major. […] I cannot really blame the interrogators
[at the IMT] – they were all Jews. I was for all intents and purposes
psychologically dissected. […] They also left me with no doubt whatsoever
what was going to happen to me.

L: But who would believe a former Auschwitz commandant?
R: We don’t have to take his word for it. In the 1980s, his torturers personally
described the manner in which they tormented him, providing independent corroboration:

[968]
Höss screamed in terror at the mere sight of British uniforms.
Clarke yelled ‘What is your name?’
With each answer of ‘Franz Lang,’ Clarke’s hand crashed into the face of
his prisoner. The fourth time that happened, Höss broke and admitted who
he was.
The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of the Jewish sergeants in
the arresting party whose parents had died in Auschwitz following an order
signed by Höss.
The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body.
He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed
to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: ‘Call them off, unless
you want to take back a corpse.’
A blanket was thrown over Höss and he was dragged to Clarke’s car, where
the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whisky down his throat. Then Höss
tried to sleep.
Clarke thrust his service stick under the man’s eyelids and ordered in German:
‘Keep your pig eyes open, you swine.’
For the first time Höss trotted out his oft-repeated justification: ‘I took my
orders from Himmler. I am a soldier in the same way as you are a soldier
and we had to obey orders.’
The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow was
swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Höss and he was made to walk
completely nude through the prison yard to his cell.


R: We can see from the same book that the former General Governor of Poland,
Hans Frank, was also tortured by the British at Minden, Germany.[969] Oswald
Pohl, former head of the Economic Administrative Main Office (Wirtschaft-
Verwaltungshauptamt) of the SS and, as such, responsible for all financial and
administrative accessory matters related to the concentration camps, described
the illegal methods employed at the interrogation center at Bad Nenndorf,
where he signed his affidavit.[970] The IMT transcript itself contains an informative
passage relating to the testimony of Julius Streicher. His testimony describes
the manner in which he was tortured. In response to a prosecution objection,
the passage was expunged from the transcript, but not the Court’s dis-
cussion of whether or not the passage should be expunged.[971] Karlheinz
Pintsch, Adjutant to Rudolf Hess, was tortured for months by the KGB in Moscow.
[972] The Soviets also tortured a “confession” out of Jupp Aschenbrenner relating
to the alleged gas vans on the eastern front.[973] August Eigruber, former
Gauleiter of Austria, was mutilated and castrated at the end of the war. Josef
Kramer, last commandant of Bergen-Belsen camp, as well as other SS men and
women, were tortured until they begged to be allowed to die.[974] The British
journalist Alan Moorehead reports as follows:[975]
As we approached the cells of the SS guards, the [British] sergeant’s language
become ferocious. ‘We had had an interrogation this morning,’ the
captain said. ‘I am afraid they are not a pretty sight.’ […] The sergeant unbolted
the first door and […] strode into the cell, jabbing a metal spike in
front of him. ‘Get up,’ he shouted. ‘Get up. Get up, you dirty bastards.’
There were half a dozen men lying or half lying on the floor. One or two
were able to pull themselves erect at once. The man nearest me, his shirt and
face spattered with blood, made two attempts before he got on to his knees
and then gradually on to his feet. He stood with his arms stretched out in
front of him, trembling violently.
‘Come on. Get up,’ the sergeant shouted [in the next cell]. The man was lying
in his blood on the floor, a massive figure with a heavy head and bedraggled
beard […] ‘Why don’t you kill me?’ he whispered. ‘Why don’t you
kill me? I cannot stand it any more.’ The same phrases dribbled out of his
lips over and over again. ‘He’s been saying that all morning, the dirty bastard,’
the sergeant said.

L: That’s pretty bad.
[...]
R: [...] let my quote
Edward L. van Roden, who served in World War II as U.S. Chief of the
Military Justice Division for the European Theater. Together with Justice
Gordon Simpson of the Texas Supreme Court, van Roden was appointed in
1948 to another extraordinary commission charged with investigating the
claims of abuse during U.S. trials in Dachau. Here is an excerpt of what he
wrote:986
AMERICAN investigators at the U. S. Court in Dachau, Germany, used the
following methods to obtain confessions: Beatings and brutal kickings.
Knocking out teeth and breaking jaws. Mock trials. Solitary confinement.
Posturing as priests. Very limited rations. Spiritual deprivation. Promises of
acquittal. […] We won the war, but some of us want to go on killing. That
seems to me wicked. […] The American prohibition of hear-say evidence
had been suspended. Second and third-hand testimony was admitted, […] Lt
Perl of the Prosecution pleaded that it was difficult to obtain competent evidence.
Perl told the court, ‘We had a tough case to crack and we had to use
persuasive methods.’ He admitted to the court that the persuasive methods
included various ‘expedients, including some violence and mock trials.’ He
further told the court that the cases rested on statements obtained by such
methods. […] The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained
from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three,
four, and, five months. They were confined between four walls, with no windows,
and no opportunity of exercise. Two meals a day were shoved in to
them through a slot in the door. They were not allowed to talk to anyone.
They had no communication with their families or any minister or priest
during that time. […] Our investigators would put a black hood over the
accused’s head and then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick
him, and beat him with rubber hose. Many of the German defendants had
teeth knocked out. Some had their jaws broken. All but two of the Germans,
in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond
repair. This was Standard Operating Procedure with American investigators.
Perl admitted use of mock trials and persuasive methods including violence
and said the court was free to decide the weight to be attached to evidence
thus received. But it all went in.
One 18 year old defendant, after a series of beatings, was writing a
statement being dictated to him. When they reached the 16th page, the boy
was locked up for the night. In the early morning, Germans in nearby cells
heard him muttering. ‘I will not utter another lie.’ When the jailer came in
later to get him to finish his false statement, he found the German hanging
from a cell bar, dead. However the statement that the German had hanged
himself to escape signing was offered and received in evidence in the trial of
the others.
Sometimes a prisoner who refused to sign was led into a dimly lit room,
where a group of civilian investigators, wearing U. S. Army uniforms, were
seated around a black table with a crucifix in the center and two candles
burning, one on each aide. ‘You will now have your American trial,’ the
defendant was told.
The sham court passed a sham sentence of death. Then the accused was told,
‘You will hang in a few days, as soon as the general approves this sentence:
but in the meantime sign this confession and we can get you acquitted.’
Some still wouldn’t sign. […]
In another case, a bogus Catholic priest (actually an investigator) entered
the cell of one of the defendants, heard his confession, gave him absolution,
and then gave him a little friendly tip: ‘Sign whatever the investigators ask
you to sign. It will get you your freedom. Even though it’s false, I can give
you absolution now in advance for the lie you’d tell.
’”
[...]
R: [...] Similar to the IMT, most later trials of NS crimes degenerated to show trials as
well, during which many defendants were accused at once, hundreds of witnesses
testified, thousands of spectators gaped, and the mass media layed it all
out to uncounted millions all over the world. Not a single one of these cases
was ever supported by any forensic evidence. A statement from the verdict of
the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial is a symbol for this gross negligence:[1041]
The court lacked almost all possibilities of discovery available in a normal
murder trial to create a true picture of the actual event at the time of the
murder. It lacked the bodies of the victims, autopsy records, expert reports
on the cause of death and the time of death; it lacked any trace of the murderers,
murder weapons, etc. An examination of the eyewitness testimony
was only possible in rare cases.


[961] Trials of war criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council law no. 10,
U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, DC, 1949-1953, vol. 15, p. 879.
[967] S. Paskuly (ed.), op. cit. (note 511), p. 179f.
[968] R. Butler, Legions of Death, Arrows Books Ltd., London 1986, pp. 236f.; cf.: R. Faurisson, op. cit.
(note 366); D. Irving, op. cit. (note 23), pp. 241-246.
[969] R. Butler, ibid., pp. 238f.
[970] O. Pohl, Letzte Aufzeichnungen, in: U. Walendy, HT no. 47, Verlag für Volkstum und Zeitgeschichtsforschung,
Vlotho 1991, pp. 35ff.; M. Lautern, op. cit. (note 955), pp. 43ff.; D. Irving, op. cit. (note
23), pp. 80f.; Pohl referred to himself as legally innocent, since he had never ordered or condoned any
atrocities: see Credo. Mein Weg zu Gott, A. Girnth, Landshut 1950, p. 43.
[971] IMT, vol. 12, p. 398; cf. Keith Stimely, “The Torture of Julius Streicher,” JHR, 5(1) (1984), pp. 106-
119; R. Butler, op. cit. (note 968), pp. 238f.; cf. W. Maser, Nürnberg. Tribunal der Sieger, Droste,
Düsseldorf 1988 (Econ-Verlag, Düsseldorf 1977).
[972] Wolf Rüdiger Hess, My Father Rudolf Hess, London 1986, p. 62.
[973] Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago I-II, Harper & Row, New York 1974, p. 112.
[974] Cf. Montgomery Belgion, Victor’s Justice, Regnery, Hinsdale, IL, 1949, pp. 80f., 90.
[975] Alan Moorehead, op. cit. (note 775), pp. 105f.
[986] E.L. van Roden, “American Atrocities in Germany,” The Progressive, February 1949, pp. 21f.
(www.corax.org/revisionism/documents...00vanroden.html).
[1041] Verdict in the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial, ref. 50/4 Ks 2/63, pp. 108ff.; cf. I. Sagel-Grande, H.H. Fuchs,
C.F. Rüter (ed.), Justiz und NS-Verbrechen, vol. XXI, University Press, Amsterdam 1979, p. 434.

(End of quote from Lectures, p. 381-184)


What did some of the Germans confess?
Few examples:
quote:
RUDOLF HÖSS:
Höß was the first commandant of Auschwitz and is the indispensable
prime witness of the mass annihilation in that camp. Hilberg refers to him
twenty-six times.[142]
In his confession given during an intensive three-day interrogation by
a British torture team led by the Jewish Sergeant Bernard Clarke,[143] the first
Auschwitz commandant stated that already by November 1943 in Auschwitz
2.5 million persons had been gassed and a further 500,000 had died
of sickness, starvation and other factors.[144] Naturally Hilberg - who picks
and chooses his statistics to suit his fancy - does not mention these statements,
since these crassly exaggerated numbers, large even by Hilberg's
standards, show that the Höß confession was not voluntarily given and is
therefore worthless.
In his 'confession', Höß stated further that he had visited the Treblinka
camp - remember it was opened in July 1942 - in June 1941 and
talked about a camp called 'Wolzek', which has never been heard of since.
When he was turned over to Poland, he was put in the Cracow prison, where
he wrote his 'memoirs', in which he penned down what he was told by his
jailers.[145]
[...]
KURT GERSTEIN:
Main witness to mass gassings in Belzec, was used by Hilberg as a
source six times.[166] SS sanitation officer Gerstein described these gassings
in a confession given after the war - or, better put, in six confessions, since,
as Frenchman Henri Roques has shown, there are no less than six versions
of the Gerstein confession, sometimes differing markedly from each
other.[167] Gerstein killed himself in July 1945 in a French prison. He claimed
that between 20 and 25 million people were gassed. He said that in Belzec
700 to 800 Jews were stuffed into a gas chamber with a floor area of 25 m2,
which is 28 to 32 persons per square meter. Of Auschwitz, which he never
entered, he affirmed that millions of children were killed by holding cotton
wads soaked with hydrogen cyanide under their noses. Hallucinations about
35 to 40 m (115 to 130 ft) high piles of clothes and shoes of murdered prisoners
top off this confession appropriately.[168]

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(In addition Höss said impossible things about the gassings. Höss' and Gerstein's "confessions" are also described well in the video [url=http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com[/url] )




So, if no real evidence is required to prove anything, and nobody is allowed to question or doubt - it could be 'proven that "UFOs rule the world" or that "Witches and Devil are real"!

Some have even compared the witchtrials of 1450-1650 to Holocaust trials:
quote:
R: In the same way, the views of a thousand years could not be wrong when, in
the 17th century, it was stressed that the earth was flat. Giordano Bruno was
sent to the stake because of that, and Galileo Galilei was banned for the same
reason. And what about the fact that witches were riding on broomsticks and
had intercourse with the Devil? That too was an obvious fact for centuries.
[...]
R: No. Since we have already touched upon the methods of medieval witch trials,
let me elaborate a little more on this. Other parallels between medieval witch
trials and the trials on NS crimes are for instance that the alleged perpetrators
were and are not allowed to rest in peace even after their deaths. The corpses of
those suspected of sorcery were exhumed, sometimes paled and chopped into
pieces, and the graves of alleged NS perpetrators were not left alone either.
They were exhumed in order to identify them – just consider the fuss about the
remains of Josef Mengele – and the mass media reported repeatedly about the
“monstrosity” in certain graves. The crimes under consideration were considered
self-evident centuries ago as they are today.
L: Witchcraft was considered self-evident?
R: The existence of the devil, of sorcery, and of witches with their evil activities
was considered just as self-evident during medieval times[1060] as are the alleged
NS crimes today. All motions to refute or verify this “truth” or to challenge
“common knowledge,” in particular with the help of forensic evidence, are rejected
in Germany and many other European nations without assessment of the
offered evidence. Such motions to introduce evidence are considered to be
mere delaying tactics,1061 and since the mid-1990, even defense lawyers who
defend their clients to ambitiously, for example by filing motions to introduce
“denying” evidence, are prosecuted in Germany, according to a decision of the
German Federal Supreme Court:1062
“He who, as a defense lawyer in a trial about inciting the masses, files a motion
to introduce evidence, which denies the genocide against the Jews
committed under the rule of National Socialism, invariably commits a crime
according to Sec. 130 III Penal Code.”
R: That German law outlaws “Holocaust denial.” This is another parallel to witch
trials, during which defense lawyers that did not keep sufficient ideological distance
to their clients, could be accused of sorcery or collaboration with a witch.
The crimes of which the defendants were accused were considered the most
atrocious crimes one could think of – today’s buzzword is the “uniqueness” of
German crimes, centuries ago the term used was “crimen atrox,” the atrocious
crime. Then and now such crimes, or the denial of them, had to be prosecuted if
they came to the knowledge of the authorities. No criminal complaint was necessary.
Then and now the judicial system is even obligated not to follow the
usual procedural rules – consider the creating of central “Nazi”-hunter organizations,
the appointment of politically reliable personnel, the uncritical acceptance
of all sorts of incriminating statements and the refusal of forensic investigations.
Then and now rude torture was used initially to make the defendants
compliant, but then as well as now such methods declined with time and were
replaced with more sophisticated psychological interrogation methods and
long, grueling incarceration during the investigations. Then and now all details
of the alleged crime were written down and defined in official books and were
prescribed as the absolute truth (then it was the Hexenhammer (witch hammer),
now it is the official history books). Then and now all available media saw to it
that the stories of these crimes were distributed all over the know world, so that
everybody knew what it was all about. Therefore all witness statements centuries
ago as well as today were very similar, often down to details, so that third
parties had to think that the statements of so many independent witnesses must
somehow be true.
Then as well as toady, many witnesses testified anonymously. Incriminating
witnesses that were obliged to swear a holy oath in court as to the truth of their
statement frequently received generous rewards for their services then and now.
As a rule, their statements were not then and not today critically examined.
Then and now they were not cross-examined by lawyers. Even if they were
caught committing perjury, they usually were not held responsible for it, either
then or now. Neither obviously contradictory or nonsensical, nor even outright
impossible statements were considered untrustworthy then and now.
However, if witnesses or defendants would deny the deed or their involvement,
they were prosecuted and punished even more severely for their stubborn denial
– then and now – because they were apparently not willing to confess their
evil acts, to show remorse, and to swear to turn away from the diabolical. Then
as well as now, every defendant knew that the only way to receive mercy from
the court was by confessing, so that even in cases, where torture was not applied,
confessions were frequent. In many cases the defendants tried then as
well as nowadays to get leniency and even to buy their liberty by cooperating
with the court by virtue of incriminating third parties.
In former centuries, material evidence on the alleged crimes were hardly ever
accepted, and nowadays they are always rejected, and even if it could be shown
that the individuals who are said to have been murdered by the defendant were
still alive or had died a natural death many years before, the courts then and
now often were unimpressed by this.
Then and now, defense lawyers were not allowed to challenge the deed as such
and had to display the commonly held views about the topic, if they wanted to
avoid being persecuted or even prosecuted, as I already mentioned. In former
centuries, defense lawyers only rarely got complete access to court documents,
and could not talk to their clients privately, as it was during the immediate
post-WWII trials.
If the defense lawyer, the defendant, or a third party decides to doubt the reality
of the alleged crimes as such – witchcraft revisionism then, Holocaust revisionism
now – then this was considered to be even worse than the crime itself. It
was the worst crime of all: “Haeresis est maxima opera maleficorum non credere.”
– “Not to believe in the deeds of the criminals is the worst heresy.”[1063]

[1060] W. Behringer, Hexen und Hexenprozesse in Deutschland, dtv, Munich 1988, p. 182. )
[1061] The German Federal Supreme Court (Bundesgerichtshof, BGH) rubberstamped this procedure as
perfectly legal, ref. 1 StR 193/93.
[1062] Sigmund P. Martin, “Volksverhetzung – Leugnen des Holocaust durch Verteidigerhandeln,” Juristische
Schulung, 11/2002, pp. 1127f., in a case against defense lawyer Jürgen Rieger; based on BGH, ref. 5
StR 485/01; cf. Neue Juristische Wochenschrift 2002, p. 2115; Neue Strafrechts-Zeitung, 2002, p. 539;
cf. also BGH, ref. 1 StR 502/99, in a case against defense lawyer Ludwig Bock, see Rudi Zornig,
“Rechtsanwalt wegen Stellung von Beweisantrag verurteilt,” VffG 3(2) (1999), pp. 208f.

(Lectures on the Holocaust, p. 413 -> )


Conclusion: Witnesses were never cross-examined, confessions were obtained with brutal methods (even by torture), courts were set up to punish not to investigate and the courts had the rules of their own. What would be a better word to describe these trials, than SHOW TRIALS. With these kind of trials one can prove absolutely anything!

Next: the concentration camps, gas chambers, aerial photos, mass graves etc.


___________________
"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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7) The Real Gas Chambers



Notice the massive metal door with lock, the ventilation pipe, valves and switches and metal walls.







Many of these are built with the technology of the 1930s.






How a real exceqution gas chamber works

http://www.revisionists.com/leuchte...rt3/ch6000.html

quote:
7.000 LETHAL GAS CHAMBER FUNCTION.
The function of a Lethal Gas Chamber is simple in theory, but complex in actual usage. Essentially, the executee is sealed into a chamber which is inwardly pressurized (evacuated) causing any leak of dangerous hydrogen cyanide gas to be inward. By means of an external actuator, sodium cyanide pellets (briquets) are dropped into warm, dilute sulfuric acid within the chamber. Hydrogen Cyanide (Zyklon B) gas is generated within the chamber due to the chemical reaction of the sodium cyanide and the sulfuric acid. The released gas surrounds the executee and terminates his life.
After a sufficient time has elapsed, the chamber is ventilated completely, with air in excess of 80 degrees Fahrenheit, many times over, and the subject is removed after proper neutralization with ammonia. The prussic acid, residual to the chemical reaction, must be disposed of. The Chamber must be neutralized by washing with ammonia and caustic soda or chlorine bleach. Care must be taken in handling the corpse, cleaning the chamber and gas generator, and evacuating the gas to see that no one other than the executee is killed.
7.001 The Mississippi Lethal Gas Chamber is operated in the following manner. First, it is tested to determine if all of the plumbing is clear and tight. This is done by opening Inlet Valve (3) and Outlet Valve (4) and running tap water into the Acid Mixing Pot (9) for five minutes. This determines that there are no blockages in the plumbing. Then Valve (4) is closed and tap water is run into the Acid Mixing Pot filling the Gas Generator (D) to the floor level of the lethal chamber. The piping in the pit is then inspected to determine that there are no leaks. The Gas generator Valve (1) is then closed by utilizing Gas Valve Lever (1), trapping the water above the valve at floor level. Then, Outlet Valve (4) is opened, allowing the water to drain into the sewer, since Gas Valve Lever (1) has opened the Gas Generator Vent Stack Valve (A).
7.002 Next is the vacuum test. First, check the Packing Gland and tighten the window frames onto the gaskets. Close and seal the door. Then place some water around Air Intake Valve (2) (to ensure a tight seal) and close Valve (2) by actuating Lever (2). Open Air Exhaust Valve (5) by means of Fan Damper Lever (5) and start exhaust Fan. This will pull a vacuum on the chamber. We must now monitor the Manometer (6) to determine if it remains constant or indicates there is a leak. If there is no leak, the following is done to effect an execution: turn off fan and open the Air Intake Valve (2). This relieves the vacuum. Open the door. The heat must be turned on and the Death House brought to and maintained at a temperature of over 80 degrees Fahrenheit to prevent condensation of the hydrocyanic acid on the interior of the gas chamber, which would make cleanup extremely dangerous. Hydrogen cyanide gas condenses at 78.3 degrees Fahrenheit (25.7 degrees Celsius) and the intake air in the control room must be kept above this temperature.
7.003 Utilizing the Gas Valve Lever (1), the Gas Generator Valve (10) should be opened and closed to eliminate any water trapped above the floor in the last test. The Sodium Cyanide briquet container above the valve should be thoroughly dried so that no moisture will reach the cyanide briquets until the execution begins. The door gasket, the window frames, the Packing Gland, the Manometer inlet, and the two heart monitor connections are coated with petroleum jelly as a guard against leakage. Two or more gallons of distilled water are poured into the system to insure that traps # 1 and # 2 are full. All chemicals (acid and water as well as caustic soda) are mixed and readied.
Outlet Valve (4) should be closed to seal the system from the drain, and Intake Valve (3) should be closed to contain the acid/water mixture until ready. The Gas Generator Valve (10) should be verifies as closed and the locking pin installed through the hole in the Gas Valve Lever. The sodium cyanide briquets should now be placed in the briquet container above the valve. The Acid should be mixed with warm distilled water and placed in Acid Mixing Pot (9). Air Intake Valve (2) should be closed. The Ammonia Injectors should be made ready by closing the Injector Valves and by pumping up the pressure. The watch-glass of Phenolphthalein solution is placed on the shelf within the chamber. The doctor tapes the mechanical stethoscope and the electronic heart monitor to the executee's chest. The door is closed and sealed.
The doctor verifies that the two heart monitors are working. The Air Exhaust Valve (5) should be closed and the Exhaust fan should be started. The vacuum should be monitored on the Manometer (6). Inlet Valve (3) should be opened allowing the acid/water mixture into the gas generator, and then closed. The Acid Mixing Pot (9) should be completely filled with tap water to prevent backflow of gas. The Lethal Chamber is now ready for the execution.
7.004 The Emergency exhaust fans are now verified as operational. A monitor is stationed at the Manometer. A monitor is at each chamber window, Air Intake Valve (20, and the chamber door with a hand held gas detector which sense Hydrogen Cyanide Gas to 10 ppm (parts per million). The emergency breathing apparatus (air packs) are verified as being immediately available to those present in the Death House. The execution can now proceed. The manometer (vacuum) is verbally verified and Air Intake Valve (2) is visually verified as closed. Additionally, special hydrogen cyanide first-aid kits are on hand in the Death House, special emergency physician's medical kits and two resuscitators are on hand at the infirmary, and two emergency ambulances are on standby inside the prison. The guard tower at the entrance sally port of the Maximum Security Facility is evacuated as a precaution against wind carrying the expelled air-gas mixture to the tower and killing the guard stationed there. This is the only time that this most important security post is abandoned.
7.005 On command from the Warden, the execution is begun and the witness curtains opened. The locking pin is now removed from the Gas Valve Lever and the Gas Valve Lever (1) is thrown, opening the Gas Generator Valve (10) which drops the cyanide pellets into the acid solution beginning the generation of the gas. The monitors verify that the vacuum is holding and that there are no leaks detected. After several minutes, the executee will be dead and the doctor will verify this fact. The doctor will wait several more minutes and inform the Warden that the subject is dead. (Total time normally ten [10] minutes.) The Warden will then order the chamber to be cleared of gas and the witness curtains closed.
7.006 The Gas Valve Lever (1) will be returned to closed position which will close the Gas Generator Valve (10) (which will prevent any further gas from entering the chamber) and open the Gas Generator Vent Stack Valve (A) preparing the Gas Generator for draining. The Fan Damper Lever will be thrown, opening the Air Exhaust Valve (5). The Air Intake Valve (2) will be opened and the Manifold Ammonia Valve (7) opened. The Chamber will begin exhausting the air/gas mixture and the ammonia will begin to neutralize the hydrogen cyanide and protect against any leakage back through the Air Intake Valve (2). The Chamber will be cleared (according to tests) in one minute (Eaton says three). This exhaust procedure will continue for fifteen (15) minutes (at Eaton's instruction) to guarantee at least five full air changes.
Open Outlet Valve (4) allowing the prussic acid residue to pass into the sewer. Open Inlet Valve (3) allowing water in Acid Mixing Pot (9) to pass into the plumbing and flush the system while opening Ammonia Injector Valve (8) to insure no back-flow of poison gas. Pour Caustic Soda solution into Acid Mixing Pot (9) and flush continuously with tap water for fifteen minutes or more. Both Ammonia Injectors (Valves 7 and 8) should be turned off in ten (10) minutes.
7.007 After at least fifteen minutes of venting the chamber, the phenolphthalein solution should be checked for its characteristic red color, indicating that the chamber is clear. When the chamber is clear, two operators, wearing full chemical suits with air-packs and rubber gloves, will open the chamber and verify with gas detectors. (Previously, gas masks with hydrocyanic acid and ammonia were utilized.) The operators in the chemical suits ruffle the executee's hair to eliminate any trapped gas and then spray the executee and the chamber with ammonia. The doctor, now wearing a chemical suit with an air-pack, makes the final pronouncement of death.
The executee is now undressed and washed with a caustic soda or ammonia solution and is removed from the chamber and redressed in different clothing. His body is then ready for removal by the undertaker, who works on the body thereafter, with rubber gloves. The clothing worn by the executee at the time of execution is placed in a plastic bag and sealed, after which it is disposed of, generally by incineration.
The Gas Generator Valve (10) is now opened by throwing Gas Valve Lever (1). The Lethal Chamber and all its contents are washed with caustic soda (walls, floor and ceiling) and the residue flushed into the Gas Generator at the base of the chamber and thence down the drain. Gas Generator Valve (10) is then closed by throwing Gas Valve Lever (1) and the plumbing continuously flushed for another ten (10) minutes. Upon completion of the cleanup, approximately an hour after the execution ended, the Death House is secured with the exhaust fan left running.
7.008 The following day, the step-down maintenance is performed. An inspection is made to determine if everything is dry. The fan is then turned off. The equipment is then stored in its proper place. All valves are closed and then opened to half position to eliminate pressure on the packing. The nuts on the window frames are loosened to eliminate pressure on the gaskets. The door to the chamber is left open so there is no pressure on the gasket. The Air Exhaust Valve will not be closed, to eliminate pressure on the gasket. The Death House is now made permanently secure.
7.009 Prior to the next usage, all valves will be checked, the window gaskets will be tightened and the Packing Gland will be re-packed. The Chamber will be again tested to the procedure outlined above.
7.010 The two man Lethal Gas Chambers built by Eaton were identical in design and construction to the one man chamber at Mississippi except that they had two seats and duplicate plumbing systems requiring that all chemical procedures had to be completed twice. Some of these chambers required that the cyanide pellets (often called "eggs") be placed in a gauze sack and dipped into the acid solution in the generator below the chamber by a trip mechanism similar to the one in Mississippi except that it was suspended from the chain instead of being fastened to the floor. This was changed because it was safer, in that no one had to handle the gauze sack after the execution.
7.011 The chemicals used by Mississippi are an approximate 37% Sulfuric Acid Solution (acid and distilled water) and an approximate 16 ounces of sodium cyanide. This requires twelve (12) pints of distilled water and six (6) pints of acid (98%) resulting in 18 pints of dilute sulfuric acid reacting with 24 briquets of sodium cyanide. This results in two (2) cubic feet of Hydrogen Cyanide gas at the 10 psi (approximate) operational pressure or an amount of approximately 7500 ppm.

8.000 DESIGN CRITERIA FOR A LETHAL GAS CHAMBER.
This basic design was developed almost seventy years ago by those tasked with designing a device for the execution of condemned criminals. With very few exceptions, it is still state of the art. It is basic, effective and reasonably safe. Failure to follow these criteria in the design of a gas chamber would result in death to the operators and others not concerned with the execution process. These criteria were developed in the United States, where the only execution gas chambers were ever built, or used. These basic design principles have proven themselves for almost three-quarters of a century. They were even utilized by the Germans in the construction of their delousing chambers to fight vermin infestation and typhus in central Europe in the 1930s and 1940s.
8.001 Required: Design a Lethal Gas Chamber to utilize hydrogen cyanide gas for the execution of convicted criminals, knowing the gas is extremely deadly, explosive, and condenses at 78.3 degrees Fahrenheit.
8.002 The chamber and all inlets, whether electrical or mechanical, must be sealed to prevent leakage. The door must be gasketed with some type of pressure seal as used on water-tight doors at sea. The windows, if any, must be gasketed and sealed. Further, the chamber must be operated at a pressure less than the outside ambient pressure (vacuum) to insure that any leak would be inward.
8.003 Because the gas is explosive, all lighting and electrical hardware in the chamber must be explosion-proof. Any mechanical hardware must be prevented from causing a spark, as well as the occupant who must be restrained from causing an explosion. The concentration of the gas at the generator or at its source (the inert carrier in the case of Zyklon B) is almost 100%, much greater than its 6% lower explosion level (lel).
8.004 Either the gas is to be generated, supplied from tanks or supplied from an inert carrier such as Zyklon B. If it is to be generated, mechanical means must be supplied to drop sodium cyanide into an acid solution. If it is to be supplied from tanks, a heated water jacket must be used to vaporize it from a liquid (its form in the tank). If Zyklon B is to be used, a hot air circulator must be employed to evaporate the gas (boil it off) from the inert carrier. The simplest means is to generate the gas in the chamber. If we used tanks, the heater and the valves must all be explosion proof. If Zyklon B is utilized, we need an expensive circulator, piping system, additional seals on the chamber and the pump and, further, must be concerned with possible gas leaks outside the chamber proper. Further, we must see that the heater never causes an electrical spark.
8.005 We must have a system for exhausting the air-gas mixture from the chamber and a stack above the tallest object to dissipate the gas before it can harm anyone. This requires an inlet valve and an exhaust valve, both gasketed, and an exhaust fan capable of sufficient flow to clear the chamber a number of times in a short span of time. The intake air must be heated to a temperature of greater than 78.3 degrees Fahrenheit (25.7 Celsius) to prevent condensation of the hydrocyanic acid in the chamber. We must add a strong base to the intake air to neutralize any leakage backwards to the operators.
8.006 After the usage, we must have a system or procedure to neutralize the executee's body of hydrocyanic acid and to purge the chamber of the same. This requires the washing of the subject, as well as the chamber, with a strong base while wearing protective suits and gas masks or air supplies. Further, we must have some type of indicator for gas leakage, as well as an air exhaust system to protect the operators. We require special hydrogen cyanide medical kits, resuscitators and doctors trained to handle an emergency. We must restrict the hydrogen cyanide gas and the residual prussic acid or Zyklon B carrier from unsuspectingly coming into contact with the operation.

(By Fred A. Leuchter, exceqution technology expert and designer of a gas chamber.)
http://www.revisionists.com/leuchte...rt3/ch7000.html
http://www.revisionists.com/leuchte...rt3/ch8000.html



So, lets compare the Nazi gas chambers with the exceqution gas chambers in the concentration camps.


___________________
"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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8) Auschwitz
I will refer many times to The Rudolf Report Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz, http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/index.html

quote:
Auschwitz (Konzentrationslager Auschwitz (help·info)) was the largest of the German Nazi concentration and extermination camps. Located in southern Poland, it took its name from the nearby town of Oświęcim (Auschwitz in German), situated about 50 kilometers west of Kraków and 286 kilometers from Warsaw. Following the German occupation of Poland in September 1939, Oświęcim was incorporated into Germany and renamed Auschwitz.

The complex consisted of three main camps: Auschwitz I, the administrative center; Auschwitz II (Birkenau), an extermination camp or Vernichtungslager; and Auschwitz III (Monowitz), a work camp. The first two of them have been on the World Heritage List since 1979. There were also around 40 satellite camps, some of them tens of kilometers from the main camps, with prisoner populations ranging from several dozen to several thousand.[1]

The camp commandant, Rudolf Höss, testifed at the Nuremberg Trials that 3 million people had died at Auschwitz during his stay as a commandant. Later he decreased his estimate to about 1.1 million. The death toll given by the Soviets and accepted by many was 4,000,000 people. This number was written on the plaques in the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum. The Museum revised this figure in 1990, and new calculations by Dr. Franciszek Piper now place the figure at 1.1 million[2] about 90 percent of them Jews from almost every country in Europe.[3] Most of the dead were killed in gas chambers using Zyklon B; other deaths were caused by systematic starvation, forced labor, lack of disease control, individual executions, and so-called medical experiments.
[...]
Beginning in 1940, Nazi Germany built several concentration camps and an extermination camp in the area, which at the time was under German occupation. The Auschwitz camps were a major element in the perpetration of the Holocaust; about 1.1 million people were killed there, of whom over 90% were Jews.

The three main camps were:
Auschwitz I, the original concentration camp which served as the administrative center for the whole complex, and was the site of the deaths of roughly 70,000 people, mostly Poles and Soviet prisoners of war.
Auschwitz II (Birkenau), an extermination camp, where at least 1.1 million Jews, 75,000 Poles, and some 19,000 Roma (Gypsies) were killed.
Auschwitz III (Monowitz), which served as a labor camp for the Buna-Werke factory of the I.G. Farben concern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz


8.1. Auschwitz Death Toll
(Better look at here: http://vho.org/tr/2003/1/Faurisson17-23.html)

quote:
How many deaths at Auschwitz?

By Dr. Robert Faurisson

Number of Victims
Source

9,000,000
persons according to the documentary film Nuit et Brouillard (Night and Fog, title used in the English-speaking world) (1955), whose historical advisers were the historian Henri Michel and the woman historian Olga Wormser-Migot[11]

8,000,000
persons according to the French War Crime Research Office and the French War Crime Information Service) (1945)[12]

7,000,000
persons according to Raphaël Feigelson (1945)[13]

6,000,000
Jews according to Tibère Kremer, writer of a foreword for Miklos Nyiszli (1951)[14]

5,000,000 to 5,500,000
persons according to Bernard Czardybon (1945), according to confessions attributed to some SS members and according to the newspaper Le Monde (1978), which was adding: "of whom 90% of Jews".[15]

4,500,000
persons according to Henryk Mandelbaum (1945)[16]

4,000,000
persons according to a Soviet document of which the Nuremberg tribunal took "judicial notice". This figure was inscribed nineteen times, with a commentary in as many different languages, on the Auschwitz-Birkenau monument. It was repeated by a sizable number of persons, including the Polish historian Franciszek Piper. It was to be declared false in 1990 and replaced, on the monument, in 1995, by the figure of 1,500,000 with the concurrence of the same F. Piper for whom this figure is a maximum while the minimum figure is of 1,100,000. According to Miriam Novitch (1967), of the 4,000,000 dead, 2,700,000 were Jewish. According to Rabbi Moshe Weiss (1991), more than 4,000,000 persons died at Auchwitz, of whom 3,000,000 were Jews.[17]

3,500,000
persons according to the Dictionnaire de la langue française, published by Hachette (1991). According to Claude Lanzmann (1980), there were 3,500,000 gassed of whom 95% of Jews as well as many other deaths[18]

3,000,000
persons until December 1st, 1943, according to a confession extorted from Rudolf Höß, ex-Commander of Auschwitz[19]

3,000,000
Jews gassed according to David Susskind (1986) and according to Heritage, the most inmportant Californian Jewish weekly (1993)[20]

2,500,000
persons according to Rudolf Vrba for the Eichmann trial (1961)[21]

2,000,000 (?) to 4,000,000 (?)
according to the historian Yehuda Bauer (1982)[22]

2,000,000 to 3,000,000
Jews killed as well as thousands of non-Jews according to a confession attributed to an SS in charge, Pery Broad[23]

2,000,000 to 2,500,000
persons killed according to a confession attributed to an SS physician, Dr. Friedrich Entress (1945)[24]

2,000,000
persons according to the historian Léon Poliakov (1951); according to the historian Georges Wellers (1973) and according to the woman historian Lucy Davidowicz (1975)[25]

1,600,000
persons according to the historian Yehuda Bauer (1989), of whom 1,352,980 Jews[26] (the latter figure is from Georges Wellers, 1983).

1,500,000
persons this figure, chosen by Lech Walesa, replaced, in 1995, on the Birkenau monument, that of 4,000,000 which had been withdrawn in 1990[27]

1,471,595
persons of whom 1,352,980 Jews, according to the historian Georges Wellers (1983)[28]

1,250,000
persons or so, of whom 1,000,000 Jews killed and more than 250,000 non-Jews dead, according to the historian Raul Hilberg.[29]

1,100,000 to 1,500,000
persons according to the historians Yisrael Gutman, Michael Berenbaum and Franciszek Piper (1994).[30]

1,000,000
persons according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1989) and according to the Dictionnaire des noms propres, published by Hachette (1992).[31]

800,000 to 900,000
persons according to the historian Gerald Reitlinger (1953).[32]

775,000 to 800,000
persons according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1993), of whom 630,000 were gassed Jews.[33]

630,000 to 710,000
persons according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1994), of whom from 470,000 to 550,000 were gassed Jews.[34]

510.000
persons according to Fritjof Meyer (2002), of whom 356.000 were gassed Jews.[35]

(Sources found here: http://vho.org/tr/2003/1/Faurisson17-23.html)



I want to add few sources which I found repeating these "exaggerated" figures:
4,100,000: Aushcwitz Nazi Extermination Camp 1985, Interpress. This is a Polish book, which is a collection of essays, including Franciszek Piper's.
4,000,000: Encyclopaedia Fennica, 1963. A big Finnish encyclopedia.
4,000,000: Uusi Tietosanakirja, 1960 (New Encyclopaedia). A big Finnish encyclopedia.
3,000,000: Kansojen Historia Osa 21 (Peoples' History part 21). Carl Grimberg's over 20 books long encyclopedia, written in 80s.
3,000,000: Juutalaisten Historia (History of the Jews). A Finnish book, written in 80s.
3,000,000: A Finnish Holocaust exhibition. An amateur's ambulant holocaust exhibition, which claimed still in 2006 that "3,000,000 people died in Auschwitz, 2,500,000 were Jews", this is the Höss' "confession" (propably still today it claims the same in its' brochure).

Abobe mentioned figures mean ALL the people, not only Jews. IF we would accept that "according to Miriam Novitch (1967), of the 4,000,000 dead, 2,700,000 were Jewish; and according to Rabbi Moshe Weiss (1991), more than 4,000,000 persons died at Auchwitz, of whom 3,000,000 were Jews", then the 6 million figure should be lowered accordingly. BUT the propblem is that not everyone agreed with them. Some assumed that of the 4 million 2 million were Jews. Many Western historians and Encyclopedias always after the War considered the 4 million figure exaggerated, and many thought that the real figure was about 1-2 or 1-3 million. I remember one old Encyclopaedia Britannica state that "1-4 million people died in Auschwitz". So it is, in my opinion, an over simplification (even misleading) to say that: "from 4 to 1.5 million, so that means 6 minus ~2 equals ~4 million Jews died in the Holocaust".



In my opinion, lets just use this Auschwitz Death Toll (by dr. Robert Faurisson) to demonstrate the unrealiability of these Auschwitz figures: 1-9 million died in Auschwitz ("Oh it's 1 million today, instead of 9...".


8.2. Alleged killings


Death toll (at present)

quote:
The following is a description of the homicidal gassing procedures for the individual installations, if one were to assume that one million human beings were actually gassed:
Crematorium I:
Blocking the crematorium environs to third parties; 500-700 victims undressing in open air (what a spectacle for all other inmates!); entry into 'gas chamber' (morgue) near oven room; on their way to the 'gas chamber,' victims march past piles of corpses of earlier victims; introduction of Zyklon B through pillars with utilization of gas masks after closure of doors; turning on of ventilators (if available) and opening of doors after death of victims (approximately five min.); evacuation of chambers without gas masks; removal and cremation of victims.[461] According to Pressac only a few gassings, with a total of only 10,000 victims.[462]

Crematoria II/III:
Entry of 800 to 1,200 victims into western entrance stairway into crematorium II; undressing in undressing cellar; travel through stairwell into morgue 1 ('gas chamber'); introduction of Zyklon B through pillars with utilization of gas masks; turning on ventilators after death of victims (approximately five min.); opening of doors after approximately 20 minutes; hosing down of corpses, soiled with blood, vomit, and excrement; removal of bodies without utilization of gas masks; cutting of hair and removal of gold teeth while bodies are still in cellar; transport with lift (payload 1.5 tons) to ground floor; there, transport through water-filled channels to ovens; cremation.[302] Approximately 400,000 victims for crematorium II, 350,000 for crematorium III according to Pressac.[463]

Crematorium IV/V:
Undressing of a few hundred victims in open air (again: what a spectacle for all other inmates!), otherwise in morgue, some of them next to corpses of last gassing victims awaiting cremation; entry into 'gas chambers' past coal room and doctor's office; evacuation of the entire building; introduction of Zyklon B through hatches from a ladder after closure of door(s); opening of doors after 15 to 20 minutes; removal of corpses to morgue or to cremation ditches behind crematorium V by the Sonderkommando, some of them wearing gas masks, some not. According to Pressac, the number of victims can only be estimated with difficulty, probably approximately 100,000.[464] A similar scenario applies to farmhouses I and II (see chapter 5.4.3.).

[461] J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 67), p. 125.
[462] Ibid., pp. 131f.
[463] Ibid., p. 187.
[464] Ibid., pp. 384-390.

(http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html [The Rudolf Report] J.-C. Pressac, Auschwitz Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, 1989. Available here: http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0011.shtml Also notice how holocaust-history doesnt even hint that revisionists have refuted this book eons ago.)

In addition: Auschwitz museum's tour guide said that "OVER 500,000 people were killed in Crematorium 2 alone". Also according to guide: "OVER 1,5 million people were alltogether killed in Auschwitz".




quote:
R: There are basically two ways of getting a picture of what happened in Auschwitz.
You can either go to original sources and read and analyze the thousands
of documents and statements by witnesses, or else you can reach for a book
published by the institution that claims to be the ultimate authority on the subject.
That is the Polish State Museum at Auschwitz.
Needless to say, almost everyone chooses the latter method. Who has the time
and resources for the former? For this reason, I would like to briefly summarize
the literature published by the Auschwitz State Museum. I would like to briefly
describe the museum’s official history of Auschwitz and its presentation of the
alleged extermination process. It goes like this:[470]
In the summer of 1941, Camp Commandant Höß receives oral orders to get the
camp ready to exterminate Jews. Early in September 1941, in the cellar of a
building in the main camp, there is an experimental gassing of several hundred
Soviet POWs using the cyanide based pesticide Zyklon B.[471] In the following
weeks the morgue of the crematory in the main camp is converted into a homicidal
gas chamber. The conversion consists of knocking holes in the concrete
roof so that Zyklon B can be dumped into the room below.
This gas chamber
begins operation around the end of 1941 and is in use until early 1943 (see the
plans of this crematory in Ill. 71, p. 252).
The “selection” of victims is performed next to the railroad tracks in front of
the main camp. Those prisoners who are able to work are accepted in the camp,
while those unable to work are sent directly to “gas chambers.” The bodies of
the victims are then cremated in the room next to the gas chamber, which
originally contained two double-muffle[472] crematory ovens (later there were
three.)
In the first half of 1942, two old farmhouses outside the Birkenau camp are
converted to gas chambers. These are called “Bunker 1” and “Bunker 2” or
sometimes “Red House” and “White House.” These continue in operation until
the beginning of 1943. With the deportation of the Hungarian Jews in May
1944, one of these farmhouses (Bunker 2) is reactivated as a homicidal facility.
[473]
The victims of these Bunkers are cremated over wood fires in trenches that are
several meters deep. Melted human fat is retrieved with large ladles and used as
fuel for the fires.
In the summer of 1942 planning begins for four new crematories in Birkenau,
built as two pairs with mirror like symmetry. Two of these have underground
morgues, one of which is used as an undressing room and the other as a gas
chamber. In addition each has an oven room equipped with five triple-muffle
ovens, making a total of 15 muffles (see crematories II and III, Ill. 62f., p. 242).
The other two crematories (no. IV and V474) both have a mortuary above
ground and an oven room with an eight-muffle oven, as well as three smaller
rooms used as “gas chambers.” These crematories go into operation one after
the other between March and June 1943. Crematories IV and V quickly fall out
of operation because of defective construction. Crematory IV is never repaired,
Crematory V very late in the war. The ovens of Crematories II and III remain
in operation, with interruptions, until the end of 1944. In the underground gas
chambers of Crematories II and III, just as in the crematory in the main camp,
Zyklon B is dumped through openings, which were chiseled through the reinforced
concrete roof after construction was completed.
The gas chambers of
Crematories IV and V, which are above ground, have small hatches in the walls
through which the pesticide is introduced. The only gas chambers provided
with ventilation are those in Crematories I, II, and III. Thus the poison gas cannot
be forced out of the gas chambers in Crematories IV or V or the two farm
houses. One has to rely solely on the natural ventilation through opened doors
and hatches.

L: I beg your pardon?
R: One moment please. Let me first finish my overview.
Until May 1944, victim selection takes place at the railroad tracks of the main
camp, but after that on the new ramp built at Birkenau.
Those selected for gassing are told that for hygienic reasons they have to
shower and have their clothes deloused. The victims disrobe, partly in special
buildings or rooms and partly in the open. Sometimes they are given soap and
towels. Then they are directed into the gas chambers, some of which are
equipped with phony shower heads in order to trick the victims. After the doors
are sealed, pesticide is thrown into the chamber in quantities sufficient to kill
insects. A few minutes later, everybody is dead. After about a quarter hour the
doors are opened and the so-called Sonderkommandos (prisoner special unit)
begin the task of removing the corpses from the gas chamber. Sometimes they
wear gas masks, sometimes they don’t.
They harvest hair from the corpses and
extract gold teeth. Then they drag the corpses to the crematory ovens or incineration
trenches. The ovens are stuffed chock full of bodies, up to eight in a
single muffle. Flames and thick black smoke shoot out of the crematory chimneys
and huge incineration trenches. The entire area is blanketed in smoke and
the hellish stench of burning flesh. At least 10,000 Jews are murdered every
day between May and September 1944. Most of the resulting corpses are
burned in open trenches.



8.2.2. Few practical problems

quote:
L: How many victims are supposed to have been crammed in these alleged gas
chambers at a time?
R: The witnesses do not agree on this. For the underground morgues no. 1 of the
crematories II and III, which had a surface area of roughly 210 m² (2,260 sq ft),
at least 1,000 victims are said to have been executed at a time. Other witnesses
speak of 2,000 or even up to 3,000 victims.

L: That is between ½ and 1½ persons on every square foot. How can you get up to
three people to stand on two square feet? They must have squeezed themselves
together quite extremely?

R: That is quite a logistic problem, indeed. Just imagine the following scene:
1,000 people of both sexes plus children enter the undressing room with a surface
area of 390 m2 (4,200 ft2). Each one would therefore have an area of only
60 cm × 60 cm (2×2 ft) on which to undress. Experience shows that people do
not pack themselves tightly to the very edge of an enclosed area, unless, of
course, they are quite willing to do so, like when they enter a bus and need to
fill it tightly, so that other passengers can still get in.

L: Not even that works most of the times. People simply won’t scoot over to make
room for others unless they are informed of what they need to do and then are
also willing to comply. And that is particularly true if they are told to undress
completely in front of hundreds of strangers of both sexes. That would never
work.
R: Correct. Actually, in order to get people to enter through just one door in a
long, stretched out room and to fill it tightly to the last place, the procedure
must be rehearsed.
Once inside the naked people walk over into alleged gas
chamber, the same problem occurs again. Here the victims must press themselves
even more tightly together, since that room was even smaller. The first
people entering the room must proceed to the very end of this 100 ft long room
in a disciplined manner and line up against the wall. The next lot will form the
line directly in front, and so on, until the entire chamber is full. Even if choreographed
perfectly, this would still take at least half an hour.

L: So how did they get these 1,000 naked people to pack themselves tightly together,
touching other completely naked strangers?
R: I do not know, but it would have required the drill and discipline that you can
instill only in soldiers after weeks of excercising, provided they are dressed. I
don’t know if that would still work if you had those soldiers line up naked, particularly
if there are female soldiers present as well.

L: Well, that is ridiculous. After all, under such circumstances, the alleged claim
by the SS that their victims are going to have a shower in that room would con-
vince nobody. How do you take a shower when your neighbors step on your
feet and you can hardly turn around, not to mention bend down to wash yourself?
R: You have revealed this absurdity quite well. So even before going into technical
and documentary details, you can already see that the claims made about
those alleged homicidal gassings are fishy already on pure logistical grounds.
In closing this brief overview of the alleged murder scenarios, it should also be
mentioned that the first report about the alleged murder methods used in
Auschwitz as reported by Boris Polevoy,[475] a Soviet propagandist writing for
the Soviet newspaper Pravda, differed quite distinctly from what was suggested
otherwise:[476]

Last year, when the Red Army revealed to the world the terrible and
abominable secrets of Majdanek, the Germans in Auschwitz began to wipe
out the traces of their crimes. They leveled the mounds of the so-called ‘old’
graves in the eastern part of the camp, tore up and destroyed the traces of
the electric conveyor belt, on which hundreds of people were simultaneously
electrocuted, their bodies falling onto the slow moving conveyor belt which
carried them to the top of the blast furnace where they fell in, were completely
burned, their bones converted to meal in the rolling mills, and then
sent to the surrounding fields.

R: The story about the conveyor belt electrocution with subsequent incineration in
blast furnaces was, of course, nothing but Soviet atrocity propaganda with no
foundation in reality. It quickly ended up in the trash bins of history and was
replaced with something more “credible,” which had been claimed since 1942:
gas chambers. Just how credible these gas chamber allegations are will be investigated
in the next chapters.

[470] Danuta Czech et al., Auschwitz, nationalsozialistisches Vernichtungslager, Staatliches Museum
Auschwitz-Birkenau, Auschwitz 1997.
[471] Reports about this alleged undocumented first gassing are extremely contradictory, cf. C. Mattogno,
Auschwitz: The First Gassing, Theses & Dissertations Press, Chicago 2005
(www.vho.org/GB/Books/atfg).
[472] The muffle is the cremation chamber of a cremation oven, where the corpse is reduced to ashes. Each
oven can have one or several such muffles. There were double-muffle ovens at Auschwitz, and tripleand
eight-muffle ovens at Birkenau.
[473] For lack of space these bunkers cannot be treated in more detail here. Witness statements about them
are very contradictory, but their existence as a building used by the SS can be refuted on the basis of
existing documents: C. Mattogno, The Bunkers of Auschwitz, Theses & Dissertations Press, Chicago
2004 (www.vho.org/GB/Books/tboa).
[474] For a side view and a floor plan see Ill. 123, pp. 329, taken from my expert report, op. cit. (note 415), p. 135; also J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 251), p. 401.
[475] On Polevoi see Don Heddesheimer, “‘Nothing Has Been Invented:’ The War Journalism of Boris
Polevoy,” JHR, 21(1) (2002), pp. 23-38.
[476] Boris Polevoy, “The Factory of Death at Auschwitz,” Pravda, Febr. 2, 1945
(http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/Pravda020245.html); see R. Faurisson, “Auschwitz, Facts and Legend,”
JHR, 16(4) (1997), pp. 14-19.

(End of quote from the Lectures, p. 207-210)

Soap AND towel?

How many people go under a shower WITH towel? Did anyone of these "hundreds of thousands of victims" ever ask why he was going to shower with a towel? Assuming that 1000-2000 victims went at once under the 'showers', how many soaps and towels were given to them, few hundred? Once the 'gassing' was over - the floor was filled with puke, excrements (and maybe even blood) - would the SS have thrown away the already used soaps and towels, or did they re-use them by cleaning them again? Quite a waste of tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousand of soaps and towels, if they threw them always away...


Pay attention especially to the highligted sentences above. I summarise them in plain language: You cannot get 1000-2000 (1000-3000) naked people of both sexes - men, women, children and elderly - to pack themselves very tightly in a room of 210 m^2. If assuming the number of 2000 at once - which is what the Auschwitz museum nowdays claims (at least in August of 2007) - it would mean that 10 naked people (men, women, children and elderly) cram themselves in 1 m^2. Ten naked people in one square meter?! Even the number of 1000 would be too much: 5 people in 1 m^2. And keep in mind: this is allegedly the way how the "industrial genocide" was done. The big problem is; it would never have worked!

(And of course if one would reduce the number of people at once to 100-200, that WOULD reduce the number of gassed people to about 200,000-300,00. On the other hand if one would want to argue that "oh no there were repeated gassings a day (5-10)", then there would have been a constant presence of Zyklon B in the walls, which would have left huge Zyklon B residues in the walls... More about Zyklon B later. And also 5-10 gassings would have been impossible because the cleaning of the bodies and the room would have taken quite a long time, especially if one would have wanted the room to be clean again for the next group of "fooled people going to 'shower'".)


8.3. Crematorium I Gassings at Main Camp

"[...] a gas chamber and crematorium were constructed by converting a bunker. This gas chamber operated from 1941 to 1942, during which time some 60,000 people were killed therein; it was then converted into an air-raid shelter for the use of the SS."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz#Auschwitz_I

"It is not known how many deaths were caused by this gas chamber, which was used only occasionally and not continuously. The number is probably not more than 10,000."
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0132.shtml
(Auschwitz Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, p. 132)


Because there was no source in the wikipedia for the 60,000 figure, and because Auschwitz museum (in 2007) says that "thousands" were killed, the 10,000 figure must be the maximum.


"Unlike Krematorien II, III, IV and V, there are very few German documents concerned with Krematorium I. These do not make it possible to formally establish proof of homicidal gassing in its morgue [...]
As evidence to establish the reality of homicidal gassing there remain only the testimonies of participants"
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0123.shtml
(Auschwitz Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, p. 123)


Ground plan of crematorium I in Auschwitz I/main camp in its original condition. The morgue was later alleged to have been used as a 'gas chamber'.[162]
1: Vestibule; 2: Laying-out room; 3: Wash room; 4: Morgue; 5: Oven room; 6: Coke; 7: Urns
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0153.shtml


Ground plan of crematorium I Auschwitz I Main Camp after conversion to air raid shelter, 1944.[166]
1: Sluice; 2: Operating room; 3: Former washroom, now air raid shelter with toilet; 4: Air raid shelter;
5: Former oven room.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0156.shtml


Ground plan of crematorium I in Auschwitz I/Main Camp today, after subsequent fakery.[168]
1: 'Gas chamber'; 2: Fake Zyklon B introduction holes; 3: Toilet drains; 4: former partition morgue-washroom; 5: Ventilation chimney from air raid shelter; 6: Air raid chute, today referred to as victim entryway; 7: Urns, 8: Coke; 9: Reconstructed ovens; 10: Newly pierced entry to oven room; painted: old entryway; 11: Remains of the old oven; 12: Fake chimney.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0159.shtml


8.4.1. Physical Evidence





Homicidal gas chamber, or simply a morgue made of cement?

http://www.historiography-project.org/misc/doors.html

Auschwitz museum nowdays (in 2007) admits that "It [Krema I) was first a morgue, then converted into a 'gas chamber', the turned into an air-raid shelter (by Germans) and then finally reconstructed as a 'homicidal gas chamber' using the original plans (by Auschwitz museum)". They even admit today that the alleged homicidal gas chamber was once 5 rooms. However they didnt always admit these alterations. Back in 1992 this room was presented as an original 'gas chamber', as you can see in David Cole's video.

The problems with ther reconstruction: the big chimney is not attached to the building, there is a WOODEN DOOR WITH A GLASS WINDOW as a door in the 'gas chamber' and the holes in the roof (added after the war) cannot be sealed. The obvious conclusion which one inevitably comes to is that the Krema I in its' present state is no proof of homicidal gassings.

However, in its' present state it actually proves, despite of the alterations, that there never were any holes in the roof during the war. The roof is the original roof (it has not been thrown away and added a new one to replace it), the holes are not original. According to Auschwitz museum they added new holes in new places after the war and claimed that the 'original holes' were sealed. The alleged original holes cannot be sealed that well that there would not be any signs of them left. There are no signs of the original holes, which means they never were there during the war. No Holes...
(This is more thoroughly explained in: http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.3. )


8.4.2. Eyewitnesses

Carlo Mattogno, Italian historian, has shown in his book Auschwitz - Crematorium I (2005), that the eyewitness testimonies concerning the alleged gassings are very contradictory. And besides, as was alread shown in 5) The Value of the Eyewitness Testimonies Concerning the National Socialist Atrocities, the eyewitnesses cannot be taken as direct evidence about anything.


8.4.3. The location

http://vho.org/D/rga2/Image290.gif
Block 1-28: inmate barracks
a: commandant's house
b: main guard station
c: camp commandant's office (block leader room)
d: administration building
e: SS hospital
f,g: political division
h: crematorium I with gas chamber
i: guard station near camp entrance gate
j: camp kitchen
k: inmate registration building
l: camp warehouse, theatre building
m: new laundry
(Map of Auschwitz I/Main Camp (concentration camp), according to the information brochure of the Auschwitz State Museum in 1991. Still in 2007 the map is about the same.)

There is the SS hospital 5 meters away from 'the gas chamber'!

http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/images/...krematorium.jpg
(That big gray building right behind the Krema I is the SS hospital.)

According to official holocaust historiography, this Krema I was an "experimental gas chamber". That means that they were not sure how well it would have worked when they started gassing people, so the gas leaks would have been very possible. In addition there were the political division only 15 meters away from the Krema I and the house of the commendant Rudolf Höss was about 50 meters away. The guard house was also about 5 meters away. If gas had leaked from this "experimental gas chamberg" then the people in the SS hospital would have been killed, maybe even people in the political dividion would have died.

Question: Would you build an experimental gas chamber, where about 500 people were killed at one, right next to a hospital and the leaders' offices?

The location of the alleged 'gas chamber' makes it, in my opinion, impossible that anyone was ever gassed in there.

And furthermore, according to Jean-Claude Pressac, there is no documentary evidence about gassings. So there is no evidence about gassings in the main camp.



Thousands of people died of diesease and many where shot or hanged.
Nobody was ever gassed in the the Auschwitz main camp.


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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
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8.5. Gassings at Auschwitz-Birkenau Camp

quote:
Crematoria II/III:
Entry of 800 to 1,200 victims into western entrance stairway into crematorium II; undressing in undressing cellar; travel through stairwell into morgue 1 ('gas chamber'); introduction of Zyklon B through pillars with utilization of gas masks; turning on ventilators after death of victims (approximately five min.); opening of doors after approximately 20 minutes; hosing down of corpses, soiled with blood, vomit, and excrement; removal of bodies without utilization of gas masks; cutting of hair and removal of gold teeth while bodies are still in cellar; transport with lift (payload 1.5 tons) to ground floor; there, transport through water-filled channels to ovens; cremation.[302] Approximately 400,000 victims for crematorium II, 350,000 for crematorium III according to Pressac.[463]

Crematorium IV/V:
Undressing of a few hundred victims in open air (again: what a spectacle for all other inmates!), otherwise in morgue, some of them next to corpses of last gassing victims awaiting cremation; entry into 'gas chambers' past coal room and doctor's office; evacuation of the entire building; introduction of Zyklon B through hatches from a ladder after closure of door(s); opening of doors after 15 to 20 minutes; removal of corpses to morgue or to cremation ditches behind crematorium V by the Sonderkommando, some of them wearing gas masks, some not. According to Pressac, the number of victims can only be estimated with difficulty, probably approximately 100,000.[464] A similar scenario applies to farmhouses I and II (see chapter 5.4.3.).

http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html#7.3.1.2.

Crematoriums II and III were built as mirror images of each other.


8.5.1. 'Farmhouse gas chambers'

quote:
5.4.3. Farmhouses 1 and 2

According to eyewitness accounts, there are supposed to have been two farmhouses (sometimes referred to as bunkers 1 and 2), located west-north west of the Birkenau camp, which were converted into homicidal 'gas chambers'. Their location and construction are not, however, exactly described. Pressac mentions contradictory eyewitness reports in this regard.[294] Relating to the testimony of P. Broad, for example, he writes.: "[...] not exploitable [...], since it has been rewritten by and for the Poles [...]", and: "It is impossible to make a synthesis of all these accounts". Höß's report relating to the characteristics and location of these buildings is only superficial.[295] According to remarks in the judgment to the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial,[296] the homicidal mass gassings are supposed to have taken place in a manner similar to those in the chambers of crematoria IV and V, described above. This procedure is clarified by the testimony of Richard Böck,[297] and, to a certain extent, by Milton Buki,[298] Rudolf Höß, Szlama Dragon, Maurice Benroubi, Moshe Maurice Garbarz, Johann Paul Kremer (at the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial), and André Lettich.[299]

Pressac has published a photograph of what are alleged to be the remains of the foundation walls of farmhouse 2.[300] According to analyses of Allied air photographs, there was only temporarily a building in the vicinity of the location ascribed to farmhouse 2; there is no trace of farmhouse 1.[252],[301] The extermination of the Hungarian Jews is supposed to have been underway when the air photos were taken, with many thousands of victims per day and strongly smoking cremations in large open ditches precisely in the area analyzed.[302] There is no trace of large cremation ditches, large fires giving off copious smoke, or large stockpiles of fuel. Only on air photos made during the winter of 1944/1945, a few mass graves can be seen west of crematorium III-probably for the victims of the chaotic circumstances in the camp after the Germans started to shut down and dismantle the equipment in fall of 1944 during their withdrawal.[303]

Recently discovered documents prove that one of these farmhouses actually existed-and was used for disinfestation. The SS, in particular, was prohibited from carrying on the disinfestation of personal effects with Zyklon B inside the camp whenever there was a safety risk. The conversion of a farmhouse, which was located outside the camp, and whose utilization as provisional HCN disinfestation installations would not have involved any safety risk for the camp itself, could have resulted from this difficult situation. Several documents are now available which refer to an "existing building" outside of construction section B III, in which a bath installation and sauna were to be installed.[304]

In late 2001, several European newspapers reported that an Italian scholar had discovered the 'bunker 1' in Birkenau.[305] As C. Mattogno has shown, however, this is nothing but a hoax. The farmhouse allegedly identified as the old bunker is at a totally different location than the alleged bunker 1 supposedly was, and it was never anything else but a farmhouse.[306]

http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.3.
My conclusion: No Farmhouse Gas Chambers.


8.5.2. Crematoria IV and V

quote:
"[...] the least known of the instruments of extermination [...] a comparison of such testimonies reveals inconsistencies."
"There were plans for mechanical ventilation of the Zyklon B, but these were not put into effect. Evacuation of the gas was instead achieved by convection, that is, by merely opening the doors."

In his new book, Pressac leaves these arguments unchanged.[284]
[...]
Even these ruins can still speak to us, even if, in this case, only the concrete foundations are authentic, since everything else is probably not authentic. Another technical precondition for the use of the rooms alleged to have been homicidal 'gas chambers' would be that it would have to have been rendered impossible for the victims on the inside to get anywhere near the introduction hatches, since otherwise they could have simply pushed the SS man off the ladder while he was throwing the Zyklon B into the chamber; they could then have attempted to escape. A U-shaped, solid steel grid construction anchored in the floor and in the masonry of the walls with steel hoop anchors spread out into dovetails would have been necessary to keep the victims on the inside at arm's length from the hatches. The concrete floors of these rooms surviving today, however, make it clear that nothing of the sort was ever anchored in the floor.

Conclusion: Not enough proof.


8.5.3. Crematoria II and III


(Green: Morgue 1, the alleged 'undressing room'; Purple: Morgue 2, the alleged 'gas chamber'.)

As was already discussed, it would have been impossible to cram 1000-3000 naked people (of both sexes, children, adults and elderly) in a room of 210 m^2. It would have meant that 5-14 people were crammed in one square meter. So the numbers of people gassed at once are obviously exaggerated. But lets see could there have been gassings of smaller number of people, few hundred at a time.


8.5.3.1. Holes In the Roofs?

Allegedly there were four 'chimney holes' in the roofs of Crema II and III 'gas chambers'. From these holes the gas, Zyklon B, was thrown into the rooms onto the victims. Some eyewitnesses, such as Michael Kula, claimed that there were also so-called 'wire-mesh devices' into which the Zyklon B granules were thrown in and as soon as the victims were killed in 15 minutes the granules were moved out, making the gassing and ventilation faster (otherwise Zyklon B would have kept evaporating for 3-4 hours inside under the bodies). In order that all this would have been possible, there would have to some proof of these 'chimney holes' and 'wire-mesh devices'.


8.5.3.1.1. Photographs on the Ground
The following photos are of Crematorium II and they show the roof of the alleged 'gas chamber'.

Between 20th and 22nd January 1943:

http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0335.shtml
No Holes...

Between 9th and 11th February 1943:


http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0340.shtml
Holes?

Summer 1943:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0341.shtml
No Holes.


The most definitive is the Summer 1943 photo, because it is the latest. The objects in February photo could be some boxes which were temorarily put on the roof.

No holes in the photos from the ground.


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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
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Sorry Shoalin but I'm not gonna read through that crap. I don't care what the exact figure is, I've been to Aushwitz and seen the evidence with my own eyes what went on there. I've seen the pure evil man is capable of and whether it was 6 thousand or 6 million it won't change my opinion on the issue one little bit

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quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Sorry Shoalin but I'm not gonna read through that crap. I don't care what the exact figure is, I've been to Aushwitz and seen the evidence with my own eyes what went on there. I've seen the pure evil man is capable of and whether it was 6 thousand or 6 million it won't change my opinion on the issue one little bit

You can hold on to your ignorance and dellusion by all means. Typical response "I'm not going to read all this stuff."


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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
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8.5.3.2. Aerial Photographs
http://www.air-photo.com/english/ra/augpic.html


According to expert opinions of aerial photograph interpretors John Clive Ball and Kenneth Roy Wilson, there were no holes in the roofs of the Crema II and III. Wilson testified as an expert witness at the Zundel trial. Lets hear Wilson's analysis of the following photos:
(http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/32wilson.html)

Aerial Photograph No. 3055 (May 31, 1944):



This photograph showed Kremas II and III at Birkenau. Wilson determined that the patches on top of the Leichenkeller at Krema II were flat and had no elevation. (32 8927, 8928) Wilson could not say what the patches were but believed they were discolorations on the surface of the roof. Wilson doubted whether the photograph could be tampered with without it showing up on the 12 times enlargements which he studied. (32-8936)


(Map of the same photo made by aerial photograph interpreter John C. Ball.)


Aerial Photograph No. 3185 (August 25, 1944):



This photograph showed Kremas II and III at Birkenau and was taken at a scale of 1:10,000. (32-8938) Wilson studied black marks which were visible to the naked eye on the Leichenkellers of both Kremas. He determined that the patches were not shadows but did not have any elevation. He could not identify what the patches were or what caused them. (32-8929, 8930)

Wilson found nothing higher than a metre on the roofs of the Leichenkellers of either Krema II or Krema III. His accuracy, which he considered reasonable, was down to the metre level. The crematorium itself had a roof higher than the ground around it and the chimney was quite high. (32-8931) Wilson could not say what the elevations of the chimneys were. Some of the elevations he obtained were reasonable based on some of the crematories he had seen; some were quite a way out based on stereo geometry. (32-8941-e)

He agreed with Crown counsel that the reference report of the Cartographic Branch of the National Archives rated the image quality of the photograph as "good." (32 8941)


(Map of the same photo made by Ball.)


Aerial Photograph No. 6V2 (September 13, 1944):



This photograph also showed Kremas II and III at Birkenau and was taken at a scale of 1:12,000. (32-8939) Wilson could not see stereo with this photograph as it had no stereo mate. He could not detect on the roof of Leichenkeller I of Krema II any of the patches he had seen on the other photographs. He could see only slightly a patch close to the crematorium. On the roof of the Leichenkeller of Krema III, however, he could see a similar pattern of patches as he had seen in the other photographs. On neither roof was there any elevation above one metre. The marks were not shadows. Wilson believed the marks were just patches with no elevation. (32-8931, 8932)

Crown counsel showed Wilson a reference report from the Cartographic Branch of the National Archives which stated with respect to 6V2: "Image quality average. Smoky or hazy appearance because of bombing activity." Wilson agreed haze and smoke would affect image quality if it covered the imagery he was interested in. However, he believed he had good imagery of what he was specifically looking at in this photograph. (32-8940)
http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/32wilson.html


(Map of the same photo made by Ball.)


Ball's analysis:

August 25, 1944:




quote:
If the Zyklon B introduction stacks really possessed the dimensions of 70 cm (21/3 ft) on each side as described by the eyewitnesses, this cannot be reconciled with the spots on the air photo, which are approximately 2 to 3 m2 in area (20-23 ft2). It must be noted that the chimneys of the inmate barracks as well as the large crematorium chimneys are rich in contrast, symmetrical, and straight. The spots on morgue 1 of both crematoria, by contrast, form an angle of approximately 75-80° (crematorium III) or 80-90° (crematorium II, irregular) to the arrangement of the main wing of crematorium II (see schematic drawing Fig. 41). If these spots were objects of any kind, they would have to exhibit the same alignment as the shadows of the crematorium chimney of crematorium II, the chimney of an inmate barracks, and other sharply conspicuous parts of the picture. The actual shadows, in contrast to the spots above, form a 45° angle to the main direction of crematoria II and III.

We know that the crematorium chimney of crematorium II was 15 m high.[180] It throws a shadow on the picture which is five times as long as the spots on the roof of morgue 1 ('gas chamber') of crematorium III (length of shadow of chimney: 20 m, that is, the angle of the sun was approximately 37°, length of the spots on morgue 1 ('gas chamber') of crematorium III: approximately 4 m). This means simply that the alleged Zyklon B introduction stack must have projected 3 m above the roof of morgue 1 ('gas chambers') of crematorium III in order to cast such long shadows, which may be ruled out as impossible.

Absence of spatial height, irregular shape, incorrect size (length and width), and wrong, irregular direction of the spots therefore prove definitively that these spots are not the shadows of any objects, nor can they be the legendary Zyklon B introduction stacks. The irregular, vague nature of these spots, as well as the fact that they are missing on at least one air photo,[251] gives rise to the conclusion that they are the retouching of a forger, added at a later time. An expert study prepared in late 1992 by John Clive Ball, a professional air photo interpreter in Canada, has since proven that the air photos were faked while they were in the possession of the CIA- surprise, surprise![252]

[180] J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 67), pp. 319-329. Plans for crematoria II and III.
[251] J. Ball, op. cit. (note 43), p. 48, morgue 1 of crematorium II, photograph dated 13 September 1944, RG 373 Can B 8413, exp. 6V2.
[252] The manipulations on this picture are overly plentiful, such as, for example, an interpolated drawing of a group of inmates allegedly marching over the roof of a barracks! See also J.C. Ball, ibid., p. 42; Ball, "Air Photo Evidence" in: Ernst Gauss (ed.), op. cit. (note 22), pp. 271-284 (online: www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html). On the alleged original photographs, it may furthermore be seen that the spots on morgues 1 of both crematoria (II + III) are pointing in different directions; ibid. private communication by J.C. Ball.
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.

No Holes in the aerial photographs.


Open-air incinerations and the smoke clouds



quote:
If Czech's statements regarding the opening of mass graves in September 1942 are correct, it seems quite plausible that from this time on until the new crematoria were put into operation in spring/summer 1943, there were indeed open-air funeral-pyre cremations of old, partially decomposed corpses. This work, which was likely performed by inmates, might represent the factual basis of greatly exaggerated and highly embellished eyewitness statements about perpetual, gigantic mass cremations on pyres and in deep pits. These witness statements generally place the open-air cremations in pits located behind crematorium V and west of the camp on a meadow near Bunker II,[31] a former farmhouse allegedly renovated to serve as gas chamber. In the process, it is claimed, the great quantities of smoke emanating from the burning sites swathed the camp in dark clouds.[32] Particularly from May to August 1944, during the time of the alleged destruction of the Hungarian Jews and the Jews from the Lodz ghetto, fires are said to have been burning in the fire pits day and night.[33] But the air photo of May 31, 1944, is the only one to show even relatively small drifts of smoke rising behind crematorium V.[34] Nothing even remotely similar is to be found at any other place, nor on any other photo. There are no considerable quantities of smoke issuing from the chimneys, none in the vicinity of Bunker II, none anywhere else. The photo from September 13, 1944, is the only one to show any large smoke clouds at all, and these have drifted in from the surrounding industrial establishments which the Allies had just bombed. Establishment Professor G. Jagschitz's theory, proposing that perhaps the Allies had used filters that resolved the smoke on the photos,[35] is not even close. Smoke cannot be resolved by optical filters; at best, one could use film that is sensitive to a specific range of the electromagnetic spectrum which the smoke does not absorb. This, however, would have required a homogeneous and known composition of the smoke, as well as highly advanced technology at the Allies' disposal at the time. Neither factor is given. The Allied air photos were taken with perfectly normal, simple black-and-white film. If there are no smoke clouds visible on the photos, then there were no incinerations to cause them. Further, in light of the absence of any pits, pyres, fuel depots and heaps of corpses it is downright irrelevant whether the smoke might have been visible or invisible, since there was nothing that could have caused it in the first place. Filters to render fuel depots, burning pits, heaps of corpses etc. invisible have yet to be invented, even today.

[31] It is claimed that there was another farm house (Bunker I), but its exact location is unknown. It is not visible on any air photos, and so it will not enter into this discussion. It is alleged to have been located at the place where the aforementioned traces of possible mass graves are detected.
[32] Aside from E. Jäckel et.al. and E. Kogon et.al., op. cit. (note 11), cf. also D. Czech, op. cit. (note 27), passim.
[33] Cf. J. S. Conway, "Der Holocaust in Ungarn. Neue Kontroversen und Überlegungen", Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte 32 (1984) pp. 179-212; J. Wulf, "Lodz. Das letzte Ghetto auf polnischem Boden", Aus Politik und Zeitgeschichte 10(42) (1960) pp. 675-694; cf. also F. Piper, Die Zahl der Opfer von Auschwitz, Verlag Staatliches Museum Oswiecim, Auschwitz 1993, pp. 52, 69, 119ff.
[34] May 31, 1944, op. cit. (note 22).
[35] Transcript of the report of Prof. G. Jagschitz, 3rd-5th day of the trial of G. Honsik, April 29 and 30, May 4, 1992, Ref. 20e Vr 14184 and Hv 5720/90, District Court Vienna, p. 478 of the transcript.

http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html



Air photos of 1944 do not show any evidence about mass exterminations in Auschwitz.


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8.5.3.1.3. The Ruins of the Crematorium II
Again this information is from The Rudolf Report (by PhD chemist Germar Rudolf) and it has been explained there much more thoroughly and more convincingly. I recommend you read there at least this part: http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8. (unless you already have) But anyway, I'll try to put this in short, on laymans terms.


The ruins of Crematorium 3 are in too bad condition, so we cannot do any important research there. But the ruins of Crematorium 2 are in relatively good and in original condition, so there the investigation is possible, even today. The roof of the crematorium 2 'gas chamber' collapsed like a blanket, and it is on many places quite intact. So there should be at least one or two original chimney holes or at least holes to be found, even today. According to Auschwitz tour guide in 2007 ALL the four holes would be found on the ruins of Krema II* (this is what he answered me when I asked this).
(Krema = Crematorium.)


Ruins of the morgue 1 (alleged 'gas chamber') of Crematorium 2.

There should be found holes that would look something like these ventilation holes at the roof of Krema III oven room:







These are properly constructed ventilation holes in the ceiling of the oven room to the upper story, crematorium III; condition: December 1991. Note the cracks caused by the explosion.
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.

Assuming that possible cracks (when the roof collapsed) caused the holes look somewhat disfigured, in the real original holes there should be found remnants of the so-called wire-mesh devices. And in the original holes there cannot be any reinforcement rods sticking out because it would definetely mean that they were crudely smashed after the roof had collapsed. In addition, according to rules of construction technology, if the alleged introduction holes were added before the roof had collapsed, then all the cracks caused by the explosion, should go through the alleged holes.

There are 2 recognisable holes at the roof, alleged Zyklon B introduction holes:


(Photo taken in 1990.)


(Photo taken in 1990.)


(Photo taken in 2000.)

These holes are all crudely smashed after the war by Poles or by the Soviets when they took the camp over. The disfigurations and the reinforcement rods prove this.

Wire-mesh devices


Notice, this is a made-up drawing decades after the war. Even I could have made a better one.

quote:
If the Zyklon B introduction holes described by eyewitnesses really existed, with the wire mesh columns installed inside them, then what else is to be expected?

1. According to eyewitness Henryk Tauber, the victims would have demolished all the equipment in this room:[256]
"The people going to be gassed and those in the gas chamber damaged the electrical installations, tearing the cables out and damaging the ventilation equipment."

2. Several hundred people, locked into a cellar with a very small surface area, anticipating death, would panic and attempt to escape, damaging everything that stood in their way. So what would the victims locked into the cellar have done to the wire mesh columns described by the eyewitnesses? If these columns actually existed, their outer framework would have to have been of solid steel, but certainly not of fragile wire mesh construction.

3. These columns would, in addition, have had to have been solidly anchored in the concrete ceiling, the floor, and the concrete pillars. But since solid anchoring dowels did not yet exist at that time, hoop irons would have been cast into the concrete during the construction of the cellar, spread out to a 'dovetail' inside the concrete.[257] If carried out after completion of the building, holes would have been chiseled into the concrete, and the hoop irons would have been cast in cement filling these holes, see Fig. 47. In both cases, a removal of such cast-in hoop irons would have been impossible. All one could do is cut them off with a saw or a welding torch.[258] Hence, if any introduction device was ever installed in these morgues, traces of such hoop irons must still be present.

4. Furthermore, the steel reinforcement rods in the reinforced concrete would have to run wreath-like around the hole, and would be capable of verification by means of induction devices, even today.
[...]
[256] Ibid., pp. 483f.; Pelt Report, op. cit. (note 66), p. 106.
[257] I am grateful to Carl Hermann Christmann, a certified building engineer, for this information.
[258] I am grateful to R. Faßbender, a certified building engineer, for this information, who also provided the drawings.
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8. As you can see The Rudolf Report is made with the help of numerous experts on all fields, and I would dare say that it is irrefutable (I will explain this in more detail later).

Figure 47, of the hoop irons with dovetails:



Of course there are no wire-mesh devices left in the ruins today (surprise surprise...). And if we assume that
the Germans AGAIN removed the evidence, by cutting the devices with saw or torch, there would have to be remnants of such hoop irons in the holes (not reinforcement rods). The fact is that there are no such remnants left.

More photos of the Krema II ruins here: http://www.mazal.org/Auschwitz%20jpg/Ausch...Text%20Page.htm


Alleged documentary evidence about wire-mesh devices

Kula's and Tauber's depositions describing the "wire-mesh insertion devices," decades before the corroborating documentary evidence was discovered in the archives, cannot be explained away. Houstek/Erber's description of the same devices, also before that evidence was discovered, is also a powerful corroboration.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/au.../intro-columns/

Near the top right, we see that there are two inventory items which have been written in by hand. They are a little difficult to make out, especially in this reproduction, but they read "Drahtnetzeinschiebvorrichtung" and "Holzblenden." The numeral 4 is written in each category. In this closeup, the text has been rotated ninety degrees:
[...]
The wire mesh existed primarily to make cleanup faster and safer. If the small pellets had simply fallen onto the floor, they might continue to give off dangerous gas even after everyone had died. But since they were poured into a wire "core" which could be lifted out of the gas chamber and onto the roof after the killing operation was complete, they would pose no danger to anyone inside. Removal of corpses could begin much sooner, thus making the entire killing process more efficient.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...0331-inventory/


Now lets look at this "documentary evidence" more carefully:
quote:
Finally, I want to focus on those legendary "Zyklon B introduction columns" for which Michal Kula is the most frequently quoted 'eye witness'. He gives a detailed description of these columns which he claimed he had built.[269] J.-C. Pressac[270] (see Fig. 54) and Prof. van Pelt[271] have prepared drawings of these columns based on Kula's description. Firstly, there neither exists material nor documentary evidence that these columns existed.[268] All we actually have in this regard is a handwritten entry in an inventory list for crematorium II,[195] of which some people claim it means "4 Drahtnetzeinschubvorrichtungen", which, literally translated means something like 'wire mesh push-in device'. I have reproduced this handwritten entry in Fig. 55. The following points deserve to be taken notice of:

-this entry is basically illegible and could also mean something else;
-it is unknown, by whom and when this handwritten entry was made;
-this entry is made for morgue no. 2, the alleged undressing cellar, not(!) for morgue 1, the alleged 'gas chamber';
-if Kula's introduction columns would be included in this inventory list, they would appear with an appropriate name describing the whole thing, not just a 'push-in device,' which could only be the inner part of Kula's device;
-in German, schub describes horizontal (pushing) movements,[272] whereas for vertically lowering an object, the word laß is used, i.e., Einlaßvorrichtung instead of Einschubvorrichtung.

Whatever this handwritten entry really refers to, one thing is clear: it does not support Kula's claim of the existence of complex Zyklon B introduction devices(!) in morgue 1(!) of the crematoria II and III.

Furthermore, M. Kula's credibility as a witness must be considered very low, since he claims for example that he saw how corpses of gassing victims were carried away:
"I saw then that they [the corpses] were greenish. The nurses told me that the corpses were cracked, and the skin came off."

As will be shown in chapter 7., victims of Zyklon B gassings aren't greenish (they are pinkish-reddish), and there is no reason for the corpses to crack and for their skin to come off. This is nothing but atrocity propaganda.

[195] J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 67), p. 430
[269] Höß trial, vol. 2, pp. 99-100.
[270] J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 67), p. 487; on p. 287, Pressac shows a rather primitive drawing with French inscriptions, probably prepared by a former French inmate on request of the Soviet investigation commission right after the war.
[271] R. van Pelt, op. cit. (note 69), pp. 194, 208; caveat emptor: Though van Pelt's translation of Kula's testimony is erroneous, and though the data supplied in Kula's testimony is rather meager, van Pelt uses it to make five different, very detailed drawings-some of it necessarily based on van Pelt's fantasy, and the rest based on Kula's fantasy.
[272] E.g., a cabinet's drawer is a Schublade.
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.
So much for the "documentary evidence"!


Other Expert Opinions From 'Exterminationists':

holocaust-history.org:
"The room labeled as a morgue, the Leichenkeller, was actually the homicidal gassing chamber in this Krematorium building. We know from numerous sources - aerial photographs, examination of the ruins of the building as they stand today, and the testimony both of the Jewish witnesses and of the perpetrators - that there were holes in the roof, four in number, where the poison Zyklon-B was inserted."
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...0331-inventory/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/au.../intro-columns/

'Pro-holocaust' engineer:
[...]An engineer named Barford; his colleagues are assisting in the conservation and restoration of the camp for the Auschwitz Museum administration. He informed David Irving that, during his trial, investigations were made in complete secrecy at Auschwitz with regards to the mystery of the holes, and then remarked:
"[W]hat happened to their [the Auschwitz Museum's] tests on the roof of Crema II mentioned in the attachment. Did they find the Zyklon B holes or not? Did they report those results to Lipstadt's lawyers, and when! [...]
As you can guess, despite my belief that you and the Revisionists are wrong, and despite spending half an hour examining the collapsed roof of the underground gas chamber of crematorium II from different angles, I found no evidence of the four holes that the eye-witnesses say were there [...].
Secondly several areas of the slabs are covered in small rubble from an outer layer of concrete which was fractured by the blast. Now I would have expected these fragments to have fallen through the holes, if they were there, into the void beneath. [...]
I remain puzzled by the lack of physical evidence for these holes.
"

Dutch Jewish cultural historian' opinion (who claims also to be professor of architecture, I dont know):
Prof. van Pelt remarked accurately in this regard:[264]
"Today, these four small holes that connected the wire-mesh columns and the chimneys [on the roof of morgue 1, crematorium II] cannot be observed in the ruined remains of the concrete slab. Yet does this mean they were never there?"

[264] Pelt Report, op. cit. (note 66), p. 295.

Yes, it indeed does meant it, because if the alleged holes had been filled with cement later, there should be signs of it in the roof. There isnt any.

An expert opinion of a construction professional, the court appointed expert and accredited engineer Walter Lüftl in 1991:
If one or more openings had been made in this concrete roof after construction
was complete, the roof would have been weakened and the structure of reinforcement
bars interrupted. If the cellar had subsequently been dynamited, the resulting breaks
and cracks in the roof would all have run through the opening or openings. The
reason is that, since an explosion is a tremendous application of force, formation
of cracks always begins at the weakest points, since the tension peaks
reach extremely high values in areas where angles begin. This is particularly
true of holes which had been made after original construction was
completed. Such holes represent the points in the slab that are most likely to
give way.
In the cellars of Crematories II and III, the entire force of explosion was
forced upward, causing heavy damage to the roofs. The hole under consideration
is characterized by the fact that all the cracks and breaks of the slab
are found around it, but do not go through it! According to the rules of construction
technology this fact alone proves with scientific certainty that it
was made after the roof had been destroyed.


The Conclusion:
I will now repeat my conclusion based on the previously presented facts and photos and my visit to Auschwitz. The holes in the ruins of the morgue 1 ("gas chamber") are all added by the Soviets or by the Poles after the war. I spent several hours looking at the ruins of morgue 1. I looked at the holes closely, and I tried to find clean holes and some remnants or traces of the hoop irons. I found none. The only holes visible in the ruins are all disfigured and full of reinforcement rods, there are no original holes. (This is also supported by other experts, which I cited earlier.)

The alleged homicidal 'gas chambers' are therefore refuted upon the grounds of building engineering. Or, in dr. Robert Faurisson's words:


"No Holes, No 'Holocaust'"


I want to emphasize the significance of this sentence above. Most people who look at these things are not chemists, historians nor cremation experts. This means that for most people, it might be a little hard to understand these technical arguments (which will be presented soon). So whenever someone presents some chemical arguments on some mainstream forum, he gets counter-chemical arguments, which might be somewhat hard to refute, and the audience remains unconvinced. The importance of this argument (No Holes...) is that it is easy to understand, even a layman can comprehend this. NO HOLES, NO GAS (no chemical arguments necessary) and NO HOLOCAUST. By this argument (substantiated previously) we have just REFUTED these whimperings:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/au.../intro-columns/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/au...chemistry/blue/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...ot-the-science/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/rudolf/
All these rambling essays are based on the BELIEF that there were holes and introduction columns. These are BELIEF AND FANTASY. The Rudolf Report is also based on these facts, but Rudolf (the author) chose to include the chemical arguments there also.

If holocaust-history.org chooses to BELIEVE eyewitness Michael Kula, they might as well believe all these other eyewitnesses.
6. Examples of Absurd Claims Regarding the Alleged National Socialist Genocide[355]
http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html
Eyewitnesses among eyewitnesses. There is no real evidence to support any of these fantasies, so if you choose to believe one, why not all the rest too? And besides, I already previously documented the complete unreliability of the eyewitnesses: 5) The Value of the Eyewitnesses Testimonies Concerning...
But I still repeat the unreliability of Kula's testimony (the witness for the alleged Zyklon B columns):
"I saw then that they [the corpses] were greenish. The nurses told me that the corpses were cracked, and the skin came off."
Impossible. He didnt see this. He is not to be taken seriously, without documentary evidence (which there is not).

ALL THE ALLEGED GASSINGS ARE BASED ON EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY. IF THERE WERE NO HOLES (as the material evidence proves), THEN ALL OF THE EYEWITNESS TESTIMONIES HAVE TO BE DECLARED FALSE AND THEREFORE THE ENTIRE FOUNDATION OF THE GASSING CLAIMS IS GONE. (Speculation of other possible ways to introduce gas into room are baseless speculation because there are no evidence to prove it.) THERE WERE NO GASSINGS AND CONSEQUENTLY ALL THE CHEMICAL ARGUMENTS AND DEBATES ARE UNNECESSARY.


But anyway, next we shall have these technical, chemical and other arguments, plus forensic investigations and expert opinions in more detail. They have a supportive role concerning these observations here (and earlier).


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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Oh by the way, this was the AMAZING "documentary evidence" for the 'wire-mesh devices' aka 'Zyklon B introduction column'.
Isnt it quite clear what it says? How could anyone doubt this "documentary evidence"?

But I can. It really says:
"Hitler-is-gonna-kill-all-of-the
Jewboys"


This is the drawing of the 'wire-mesh Zyklon B introduction column':

How "irrefutable", isnt it? A drawing decades after the war...


Oh wait, we actually have existing documentary evidence about the Zyklon B columns! Look:

PhD chemist Germar Rudolf (author of The Rudolf Report) is on the photo. Looks like he is having fun.


http://vho.org/tr/2004/1/Countess56-61.html

But oh... It's made by those evil and horrible "deniers". Oh no, then we cannot use that as evidence. Damn!


I bet that someday this column is used as documentary evidence by 'holocaust experts'. They will secretly steal it and stuff it into the ruins of Krema 2 and then they say "We're gonna do some investigations" and then they declare: "See, we found the columns! So there really were 'wire-mesh Zyklon B introduction devices', so 6 million died! Put the deniers to prison! Case closed." Lets just wait and see...


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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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8.5.3.2. Expert Opinions and Forensic Investigations
(Chapter 8.5.3.2. Aerial Photographs should read 8.5.3.1.2...)
These investigations have mostly been aimed at Kremas II and III.


8.5.3.2.1. Vienna Auschwitz Trial in 1972 - A Somewhat Different Auschwitz Trial

There was an Auschwitz trial in Vienna, Austria, in 1972. Engineers Fritz Ertl and Walter Dejaco were accused of having constructed buildings served for the mass murder of European Jews, both were accused by the Austrian public prosecutor of having at least indirectly participated in the planning and execution of this crime. Both defendants were officers of the Waffen-SS during the war and as such were at times involved in the design, construction, and maintenance of the crematoria of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp. They had built the Crematorium II and III buildings, including the morgues (the alleged 'gas chambers').


Walter Dejaco (left) and Fritz Ertl (right): The contractors of the crematoria of Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Among other things, a construction expert testified before the court that the plans submitted during the indictment are identical to the original construction plans of the crematoria in Auschwitz from Poland, as submitted to the court.[19]

He had to answer basically two questions put to him by the court:

1) Do the plans indicate that these were gas chambers? His answer was: No.
2) Could the accused infer from the plans that they could be transformed later into gas chambers? Here also was the answer: No.


Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl were thus acquitted. The public prosecution did announce an appeal,[20] but did not follow through with it. Despite protests no further measures against the two acquitted architects were taken. In the Vienna Auschwitz trial a well known construction specialist prepared an expert opinion. The material evidence did not indicate mass killings with poison gas.
http://vho.org/tr/2004/3/Lueftl294f.html

Interview with the construction expert Walter Schreiber:
quote:
Lüftl: In which areas were you active?

Schreiber: As senior engineer I inspected the civil project of the Huta Corporation and negotiated with the Central Construction office of the SS. I also audited the invoices of our firm.

L.: Did you enter the camp? How did that happen?

S.: Yes. One could walk everywhere without hindrance on the streets of the camp and was only stopped by the guards upon entering and leaving the camp.

L.: Did you see or hear anything about killings or mistreatment of inmates?

S.: No. But lines of inmates in a relatively poor general condition could occasionally be seen on the streets of the camp.

L.: What did the Huta Corporation build?

S.: Among other things, crematoria II and III with the large morgues.


L.: The prevalent opinion (considered to be self evident) is that these large morgues were allegedly gas chambers for mass killings.

S.: Nothing of that sort could be deduced from the plans made available to us. The detailed plans and provisional invoices drawn up by us refer to these rooms as ordinary cellars.


L.: Do you know anything about introduction hatches in the reinforced concrete ceilings?

S.: No, not from memory. But since these cellars were also intended to serve as air raid shelters as a secondary purpose, introduction holes would have been counter-productive. I would certainly have objected to such an arrangement.


L.: Why were such large cellars built, when the water table in Birkenau was so extremely high?

S.: I don’t know. Originally, however, above-ground morgues were to be built. The construction of the cellars caused great problems in water retention during the construction time and sealing the walls.

L.: Would it be conceivable that you were deceived and that the SS nevertheless had gas chambers built by your firm without your knowledge?

S.: Anyone who is familiar with a construction site knows that is impossible.


L.: Do you know any gas chambers?

S.: Naturally. Everyone in the east knew about disinfestation chambers. We also built disinfestation chambers, but they looked quite different.
We built such installations and knew what they looked like after the installation of the machinery. As a construction firm, we often had to make changes according to the devices to be installed.

L.: When did you learn that your firm was supposed to have built gas chambers for industrial mass killing?

S.: Only after the end of the war.

L.: Weren’t you quite surprised about this?

S.: Yes! After the war I contacted my former supervisor in Germany and asked him about it.

L.: What did you learn?

S.: He also only learned about this after the war, but he assured me that the Huta Corporation certainly did not build the cellars in question as gas chambers.

L.: Would a building alteration be conceivable after the withdrawal of the Huta Corporation?

S.: Conceivable, sure, but I would rule that out on the basis of time factors. After all, they would have needed construction firms again, the SS couldn’t do that on their own, even with inmates. Based on the technical requirements for the operation of a gas chamber, which only became known to me later, the building erected by us would have been entirely unsuitable for this purpose with regard to the necessary machinery and the practical operation.

L.: Why didn’t you publish that?

S.: After the war, first, I had other problems. And now it is no longer permitted.

L.: Were you ever interrogated as a witness in this matter?

S.: No Allied, German, or Austrian agency has ever shown an interest in my knowledge of the construction of crematoria II and III, or my other activities in the former Generalgouvernement [German occupied Poland]. I was never interrogated about this matter, although my services for the Huta Corporation in Kattowitz were known.
I mentioned them in all my later CVs and recruitment applications. Since knowledge about these facts is dangerous, however, I never felt any urge to propagate it. But now, as the lies are getting increasingly bolder and contemporary witnesses from that time like myself are slowly but surely dying off, I am glad that someone is willing to listen and to write down the way as it really was. I have serious heart trouble and can die at any moment, it’s time now.

We are grateful to this contemporary witness, who asked us to wait to publish his testimony posthumously.
[...]
We will keep Herrn Dipl.-Ing. Dr. techn. Walter Schreiber in honorable memory.

http://vho.org/tr/2004/3/Rademacher296-297.html


Designers of the alleged gas chambers where almost 1 million people were allegedly murdered were released because of an expert opinion of a construction expert, who said in court that the alleged gas chambers could not have been used or converted as homicidal gas chambers (!).

Interesting at least, isnt it?


8.5.3.2.2. A Gas Chamber Expert and His Forensic Investigations at the Zündel Trial, in 1988


In 1988 (and earlier in 1985) Ernst Zünndel, a German-Canadian, was on trial in Canada for spreading false news by publishing Did Six Million Really Die?, a booklet which challenged the prevailing view that six million Jews were killed by the Nazis during World War II. His defence lawyer and his assistant in defence, dr. Robert Faurisson, had been during the previous years searching for an American expert on exceqution gas chambers (used in American prisons). Frederick A. Leuchter was recommended to them. According to Bill M. Armontrout - the Warden of Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City, Missouri - there was only one consultant in the United States that he knew of in the design, operation, and maintenance of gas chambers. That consultant was Fred Leuchter. http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/31armontrout.html
Leuchter's expertise has also been recognized by prominent periodicals, including The Atlantic in a four-page article in its February 1990 issue. An article in the weekly national news magazine Insight of July 2, 1990, called Leuchter, "the nation's leading expert in the mechanics of execution." Finally, Leuchter's expertise was acknowledged on the ABC television news program "Prime Time Live," broadcast on May 10th, 1990, and by The New York Times in a prominently featured article in its issue of October 13, 1990, which was accompanied by a front-page photo of Leuchter.

Leuchter was asked by Zündel's defence team to prepare an expert opinion and to make an investigation to the alleged gas chambers to Auschwitz and Majdanek. He was also asked to travel to Poland and make a forensic analysis to the alleged gas chambers by retrieving samples from the ruins of the alleged gas chambers and from the disinfestation chambers (used to delouse clothes), and having them analysed in U.S. laboratory. Leuchter agreed. He analysed various documents, looked at the buildings and took the samples, and returned first to United States bringing the samples to lab (Alpha Analytical Laboratory), and then finally to Canada to testify in court as an expert witness on behalf of Zündel. Leuchter came into the conclusion that the alleged gas chamber buildings, which he inspected, could not have been seriously considered to be operated as exceqution gas chambers. Among other things he argued that the buildings were not built as gas tight, so the gas would have leaked out and that there were no proper heating system, nor sufficient ventilation equipments. According to Leuchter, there never were any homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz nor in Majdanek.

Leuchter was qualified as an expert in the design, construction, maintenance and operation of execution gas chambers. He was allowed to give opinion evidence on the operation of gas chambers and the suitability of the facilities he inspected in Poland to operate as gas chambers. http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/33leuchter.html . His chemical analyses also supported his conclusion; only the sample from disinfestation gas chamber showed significant cyanide residues (1050 mg/kg) while the samples from the alleged 'gas chambers' showed none (1-7 mg/kg). Later a chemist, dr. James Roth, from the laboratory was called to testify at the Zündel trial. He testified (under oath), among other things, that he had analysed the samples and that he would have expected to see prussian blue Zyklon B residues with the repeated use of concentration of 300 ppm of Zyklon B http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/34roth.html .

(These analyses were later confirmed by others.)

Leuchter also wrote his findings as Leuchter Report, 1988 (1st of 4)
Later he also made other reports:
The Second Leuchter Report - Dachau, Mauthausen, Hartheim
The Third Leuchter Report - A Technical Report on the Execution Gas Chamber
The Fourth Leuchter Report - A Technical Evaluation of Jean-Claude Pressac's Book "AUSCHWITZ: TECHNIQUE AND OPERATION OF THE GAS CHAMBERS"
http://www.revisionists.com/leuchter/reports/index.html

However, because Leuchter did not have access to all available documents back then, his information is in the first - and in his most controversial - report a bit old with some errors.

If you are interested, and have not yet read his reports, I would recommend that you read The Leuchter Reports Critical Edition, 2005 (by Germar Rudolf, Leuchter and Faurisson): http://vho.org/GB/Books/tlr/

Videos about Leuchter's investigations in Poland: http://www.solargeneral.com/video/m...neous/leuchter/
(Also documentary: Mr Death Rise and Fall of Fred Leuchter [By Errol Morris] more about this later.)


8.5.3.2.3. Krakow Forensic Institute's (preliminary) Investigation in 1990

In 1990 with the help of the Auschwitz Museum headed by dr. Franciszek Piper, the Polish Krakow Forensic Institute conducted similar chemical analysis as Leuchter. Krakow Forensic Institute's analysis confirmed Leuchter's findings. They too found significant Zyklon B residues only in the delousing chambers. (This was of course done in sercrecy and they didnt "bother" to publish their results. The results however, were leaked:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p207_Staff.html (Later, in 1994, this institute made its' second studies.)


8.5.3.2.4. Austrian Engineer's Expert Opinion, in 1992


quote:
In March 1992, a prominent Austrian engineer made headlines when a report he had written about alleged German wartime gas chambers was made public. Walter Lüftl concluded in his controversial report, "Holocaust: Belief and Facts," that the well-known stories of mass extermination of Jews in gas chambers at the wartime camps of Auschwitz and Mauthausen are impossible for technical reasons and because they are incompatible with observable laws of nature. Lüftl further characterized the often-repeated stories of Jews being gassed with diesel engine exhaust (at Treblinka, for example) as a sheer impossibility. (See the IHR Newsletter, April 1992, p. 6.)
Lüftl, 59, is a court-recognized expert engineer and heads a large engineering firm in Vienna. On the basis of a well-established reputation as a particularly precise and exact specialist, he was chosen to serve as president of the Austrian Engineers Chamber (Bundes-Ingenieurkammer), a professional association of 4,000 members.
In spite of his reputation, he was obliged to resign as president of the engineers' association in the uproar that followed news reports about his iconoclastic report. A leading official of the governing People's Party expressed fear that Lüftl's report could harm Austria's image abroad.
http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/12/4/Lueftl391-420.html
(Please ignore his chemical arguments concerning the time, 32 hours, which it took for Zyklon B to form from granules into deadly gas [it does not take that long]. More concerning this later, now lets just deal with these expert opinions shortly and later go into more detail about gassings.)


8.5.3.2.5. Germar Rudolf, PhD chemist, and The Rudolf Report, 1993


In 1993 a German PhD level chemist, Germar Rudolf, after years of research came into the same conclusions as Leuchter. He concluded - because of technical, architechtural and chemical reasons - that the gassings in Auschwitz could not have happened as alleged. His extensive research was published in 1993 as The Rudolf Report Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz. He had also conducted chemical analyses on the alleged 'gas chambers' of Auschwitz. While the samples from the delousing chambers contained huge Zyklon B residues (1,000-13,500 mg/kg: German Fresenius Institute), the samples from the alleged homicidal gas chambers only contained 0 - 7 mg/kg (NONE). The Rudolf Report: http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/index.html


8.5.3.2.6. John Clive Ball and The Ball Report, 1993

It is true that Ball is an aerial photograph interpretor, who has no relevant expertise concerning chemical analyses. But it is also true that everyone, even I, could conduct the similar forensic study, by just taking samples and having them analysed in a lab. The relevant point is his results. Ball's results were 2,780.0 - 3,170.0 mg/kg from the delousing chambers, while in the alleged homicidal gas chambers of Krema II and III it was 0.4 - 1.2 mg/kg .
Ball's results are included in The Rudolf Report: http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/8.html#8.3.4.


8.5.3.2.7. Krakow Forensic Institute's Second Investigation in 1994

This second investigation was made by, according to Polish scientists' own words using a method UNABLE TO DETECT the prussian blue Zyklon B residues: "It is hard to imagine the chemical reactions and physicochemical processes that could have led to the formation of Prussian blue in that place. [...] We decided therefore to determine the cyanide ions using a method that does not induce the breakdown of the composed ferrum cyanide complex (this is the blue under discussion)"
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/ins...dology-one.html

Their results were very low, only 0 - 0.8 mg/kg in the delousing chambers and 0 - 0.6 mg/kg in the alleged homicidal gas chambers. The reliable results are 1 mg/kg and over that. So these results are very unreliable.

It is a fact that Zyklon B residues in the walls are only expected to be found in significant amounts after decades, in the form of prussian blue. So obviously if one excludes the huge amount of prussian blue Zyklon B residues, then the results in the delousing rooms are considerably lower. Germar Rudolf has long ago refuted this investigation in his criticisms:
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/8.html#8.4.2.
http://vho.org/GB/Books/cq/leuchter.html
http://vho.org/dl/ENG/al.pdf (Auschwitz Lies - Polish Pseudo Scientists)

This is the one report in which holocaust believers rely on, in order to try to refute all the previous investigations (made by revisionists mostly).
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/ins...ensic-research/

But as Germar Rudolf has already shown, and as I will show later, their investigation is quite worthless (because they didnt also use method capable to detect prussian blue residues, because they could not refute the possibility of prussian blue formation in the morgues nor could they refute Rudolf's proposed mechanism of Zyklon B formation in 1993 before their investigations in which they cited*) and propably politically motivated in order to try refute Leuchter and their previous study.

(* More in detail later.)


8.5.3.2.8. Overview of the Results


As you can see the highest Disinfestation bar chart is 13,500, while the highest 'Gas Chamber' bar chart was 7,2. Try to understand the significance of these results by changing these into centimeters. 7,2 centimeters is the equal of a Rubik's cube, while 135 meters (13,500 cm) is the equal of the highest pyramid!

HUGE amounts of Zyklon B were found in the disinfestation rooms while none was found in the morgues (alleged 'gas chambers').


Next the Zyklon B gassings and chemical data.


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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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8.5.3.3. Zyklon B Gassings (in Krema II and III)
(Zyklon B gassings in morgues were already refuted by the absence of holes, but lets have these arguments also. We are now assuming that there were some holes in the roof. Again, this is much more convincingly more thoroughly documented in The Rudolf Report.)

I will present these chemical arguments from The Rudolf Report (made by a PhD chemist Germar Rudolf), and I will also present some of the criticisms from holocaust-history.org by PhD chemist Richard Green and I will also use Green to verify Rudolf when Green agrees, AND I will also bring up Rudolf's answers to Green's criticisms when there is a disagreenment.

Green:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/au...chemistry/blue/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...ot-the-science/

Rudolf's answers to Green:
http://vho.org/GB/c/GR/Green.html
http://vho.org/GB/c/GR/CharacterAssassins.html
http://vho.org/GB/c/GR/Evasions.html
http://vho.org/dl/ENG/al.pdf (Auschwitz Lies - Green Sees Red)


8.5.3.3.1. Zyklon B Formation to Blue Stains into the Walls

Question: Could the use of Zyklon B leave residues into walls when it has been used?
Answer: Yes. Under right conditions Zyklon B leaves blue stains into the walls, which are there to be found centuries later.

Delousing rooms where Zyklon B has been used to delouse clothes:

Up on the left, ruins of the alleged homicidal gas chamber: No blue staining.







Important to note is the fact that the gas has penetrated the walls deeply and formed into blue stains even to the exterior walls of the delousing rooms.

These blue stains are called iron blue or prussian blue (or berlin blue).


8.5.3.3.1.1. The Method of Formation:

quote:
The pigment formation in the case under consideration here is then organized in 5 steps:
a) Ad-/absorption of hydrogen cyanide (HCN);[313]
b) Ionic splitting (electrolytic dissociation)[339] of hydrogen cyanide in water to the cyanide ion, which alone can form complexes with iron;
c) Complexing of trivalent iron (Fe3+) to the complex iron(III)-cyanide,[340] that is, the displacement of oxygen and/or OH- ions in rust by cyanide ions;
d) Reduction of iron(III)-cyanide to iron(II)-cyanide;
e) Precipitation of iron(II)-cyanide with trivalent iron as Iron Blue.

The velocity of formation of the pigment can be influenced by various factors, which will be considered:
1) Water content of the reaction medium;
2) Reactivity of the iron;
3) Temperature;
4) Acid content.
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/6.html#6.5.

quote:
Consequently, we can conclude that the actual speed of Iron Blue formation (i.e. its kinetics) in walls depends mainly on the following factors:
1. Water content of the wall
2. reactivity of the iron oxides involved
3. temperature of the walls
4. pH-value of the walls
5. HCN-concentration the walls were exposed to
6. time of exposure
7. other influences, e.g. were the walls rinsed, cleaned, chemically treated, covered by paint, tiles...
http://vho.org/GB/c/GR/Green.html


Green agrees (to some degree):
"Rudolf is correct or nearly correct regarding the formation of blue staining in the delousing chambers"
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...ot-the-science/

Rudolf also documented the influences of building materials into formation of prussian blue:
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/6.html#6.7.
(He cited expert literature to support his claims.)


8.5.3.3.1.2. Comparison Between Building Materials of the 'Gas Chambers and Delousing Rooms:
quote:
4.1. Physical, Chemical, and Toxicological Features of HCN and
Zyklon B

4.1.1. Physical Features
Hydrogen cyanide, HCN, a colorless liquid at room temperature, is similar
to water in many of its physical properties. This results in HCN being readily
dissolved in water and adsorbed on wet surfaces. Accordingly, much more
HCN is accumulated in moist walls than in dry walls. The water content of
concrete, cement, and lime mortars as well as other porous building materials
depends on the temperature and relative humidity of the air and fluctuates
between 1% and less (at 20°C (69°F) and 60% relative humidity) and up to
10% in air saturated with humidity.[159] Tests have shown that the amount of
HCN absorbed in such materials is proportional to that:[160]

________________________________________mg HCN absorbed per exposed m2
Lime sandstone, naturally humid ...........................22,740.0
Lime sandstone, dry, at 20°C ..................................2,941.0

This is important for our considerations, because the alleged gas chambers
in the basement of crematoria II and III in Birkenau had no heating systems
and were thus cool and humid. In contrast to that, the delousing rooms of the
hygienic buildings BW 5a and 5b in Birkenau were above ground and well
heated, so that their walls were both warm and dry. We would therefore expect
the adsorption of HCN to be roughly ten times higher in the alleged
homicidal gas chambers of crematoria II and III than it was in the delousing
gas chambers
of the hygienic building BW 5a and 5b, if judged only by the
water content of the walls.
____________________________________________
[159] K. Wesche, op. cit. (note 52).
[160] Samples exposed on one surface to 2% HCN by volume over 24 hours; L. Schwarz, W. Deckert, op. cit.
(note 78).
The Leuchter Reports Critical Edition, p. 89

Rudolf has shown how the wall material of the morgues, was ideal for Zyklon B formation into prussian blue (many times more ideal than the delousing rooms). He also cited an event, in Germany where only one fumigation with Zyklon B caused blue stains to form into the walls. This was a church in Bavaria, which was fumigated once with Zyklon B, in 1977.

quote:
A few weeks after the re-plastering of the church with a water-resistant cement mortar, the entire church had been fumigated with Zyklon B (hydrogen cyanide) to exterminate woodworm in the choir stalls. The hydrogen cyanide, released by the Zyklon B, did not just kill woodworm: it also reacted chemically with the plaster. The hydrogen cyanide contained in the Zyklon reacted with the iron oxides contained in quantities of 1-2% in all plasters, thus forming Iron Blue, a highly stable compound well-know for centuries.[22]

Reports of blue pigmentation of walls resulting from fumigation with hydrogen cyanide for the destruction of vermin in areas with moist, ferrous plaster are well-known in technical literature, as shown by a recent survey.[23] The necessary prerequisite for this reaction appears to be that the fumigated plaster must be new and must exhibit high humidity. In other cases, there was also damage to the structure and interior installations, but no blue stains, perhaps because the plaster was old and had already set.[24]


http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/1.html#1.3.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndwood.html


At this point: It is an extablished fact that under right conditions Zyklon B does form into prussian blue residues into the walls. And also, the walls of the alleged gas chambers were many times more likely to absorb Zyklon B. (Earlier it was shown that prussian blue residues show huge amounts of Zyklon B residues, when analysed in labs.)

Green cannot refute these facts, so he partly agrees with Rudolf, and partly evades this important issue:
quote:
I strongly recommend that Green finally consults some literature on building materials -- as I did in preparation of my report -- so he can find out for himself that my claims about considerably higher and longer lasting pH values in cement mortars as compared to lime mortars are true. There is no need to "go back in time". Just stop ignoring the facts, my quoted literature, and start going to a library! Also, it might well be that his argument does not hinge on the pH value, but that is only because his argument is flawed, as the pH value strongly influences the equilibrium concentration of cyanide ions in aqueous solutions (see my subchapter "pH Value," and especially Graph 5). I therefore have to repeat that Green keeps ignoring the most important facts. As a matter of fact: lime plaster older than several weeks (pH of ca. 6.5-7, delousing chambers) accumulates a concentration of cyanide 10,000 to 100,000 times lower than of a cement plaster of several weeks (pH 11-12, all in equilibrium and at the same temperature). How can anybody claim that this issue does not hinge on the pH value?
http://vho.org/GB/c/GR/Evasions.html


According to chemist James Roth (at the Zündel trial, 1988):
quote:
Roth testified that the iron/cyanide reaction capabilities of samples 9 and 29 were no different from that of sample 32. If samples 9 and 29 had been exposed continually everyday for two years to 300 parts per million of hydrogen cyanide, Roth testified that he would expect to see the formation of the iron cyanide compounds; the so called "Prussian blue" material, in detectable amounts. The reaction of the two substances was an accumulative reaction; the reaction continued with each exposure. One way for this reaction not to occur would be a lack of water. These reactions, in many cases, required water or vapour in order to occur. However, in rooms of normal temperatures and normal humidity, there would be plenty of moisture present for this type of reaction to take place. (33-9293, 9294)
http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/34roth.html
(This was his testimony in court under oath, so this is his most valid one. It does not matter what he said a decade later - after having been fired from his lab - at the Errol Morris documentary Mr Death. The oath did not require him to tell the truth anymore.)
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/8.html#8.4.3.


8.5.3.3.2 The Amount of Zyklon B

Humans are more sensitive to Zyklon B than insects. 300 ppm is the fatal amount of Zyklon B required to kill humans, while ~3,200 ppm is required to kill lice. However, because Zyklon B is in a form of granules, it is not lethal instantly. It takes time to evaporate from granules to lethal gas. In order to throw just the amount of 300 ppm and kill people with it, it would take about 2 hours to kill the people.
(ppm = parts per million)



pinions differ as to the concentration of poison gas alleged to have been used in the presumed executions (see next chapter). The only indirect source available to us are the alleged execution times reported by the eyewitnesses, which in turn permit a crude estimate of the concentrations used. These reported execution times all allege a gassing time of only a few minutes.[465]

quote:
Assuming an execution time approximately corresponding to those in US execution gas chambers (ten minutes and more at 3,200 ppm HCN, see chapter 7.1.), a concentration of at least 3,000 ppm (3.6g/m3) would have had to have reached even the remotest corner of the chamber after only half this time (five minutes). With a free volume of 430 m3 in morgue 1 of crematoria II and III,[466] this corresponds to a quantity of hydrogen cyanide of approximately 1.5 kg released and spread out after five minutes. Since the carrier material only releases approximately 10% of its hydrogen cyanide content after five minutes (see chapter 7.2.), at least ten times that amount would have been required in order to kill in only a few minutes, i.e., this would mean the utilization of at least 15 kg of Zyklon B.[467] This, of course, only applies on the condition that the hydrogen cyanide released reached the victims immediately, which cannot be expected in large, overcrowded cellars. It must therefore be considered established that quantities of at least 20 kg of Zyklon B per gassing (ten 2 kg cans or twenty 1 kg cans) would probably have had to have been used for the gassing procedures described.
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html#7.3.1.3.

The evaporation time from granules to gas is presented in the figure below (Graph 9):[427]

{[427] R. Irmscher, "Nochmals: 'Die Einsatzfähigkeit der Blausäure bei tiefen Temperaturen'", Zeitschrift für hygienische Zoologie und Schädlingsbekämpfung, 1942, pp. 35f.; on the history of the development of Zyklon B, see Wolfgang Lambrecht, "Zyklon B-eine Ergänzung", VffG 1(1) (1997), pp. 2-5 (online: www.vho.org/VffG/1997/1/Lambrecht1.html) as well as W. Lambrecht, O. Karl, op. cit. (note 105).}
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html#7.2.

As we can see, it takes about 2 hours, in the temperature of 15 celsius, for Zyklon B granules to have formed 100% into lethal gas (it was about 15 C in the morgues).

quote:
For later references, we want to keep in mind that, at 15°C and in the presence of lower atmospheric humidity, approximately 10% of the hydrogen cyanide used at Auschwitz have left the carrier material during the first five minutes, and approximately 50% after half an hour. In cool cellar areas with a relative humidity of approximately 100%, the evaporation times would have been "seriously delayed".

The question of how Zyklon B would have behaved if spread on the floor in a room filled with human beings, is somewhat more difficult. The radiant heat of the bodies would have a slightly accelerating effect upon the evaporation by increasing the temperature in the vicinity of the floor. Further acceleration of evaporation may occur due to a possible reduction in size of the carrier granules as a result of being trampled upon or crushed by falling human bodies, as well as direct bodily contact.

The relative atmospheric humidity in the cellars of crematoria II and III, which must certainly have approached 100%, would have "seriously delayed" evaporation,[428] as well as the possible fluid secretions caused by panic on the part of victims lying on the floor, which could very well have occurred as soon as the door was closed, that is, prior to release of the Zyklon B. Under such conditions, a serious delay in the discharge of the hydrogen cyanide from the carrier material would have to be anticipated.

If assuming that Zyklon B introduction devices were installed in some of the Auschwitz 'gas chambers' as attested to by Michal Kula,[429] such a device would have had the following effects: a) the Zyklon B granules would not have been spread out, but rather would have been kept together by the inner wire mesh, reducing the evaporation rate considerably; b) all three wire mesh columns would have drastically reduced any air convection within them, reducing both evaporation rate as well as the speed with which the gas spreads out into the chamber; c) due to high humidity in the air and the lack of air convection, moisture would have condensed intensively on the Zyklon B carrier, reducing the evaporation rate of HCN "seriously."
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html#7.2.

Because the eyewitnesses stated that it took about 10-15 minutes to kill the people with the gas, then it would also mean that a great overdose of Zyklon B had to be used to kill the victims in order to achieve so quick exceqution times. The gas had to be thrown in at the same amounts as to killing lice: 3,200 ppm.


Green agrees at least partly:
quote:
With his first scientific point, Green argues I had not read, understood, or that I misrepresented his work by claiming that Green ignores the fact that

"concentrations of HCN similar to delousing procedures would have been necessary to kill the alleged victims in the time as testified by all "witnesses", basing mainly on the data we can get from capital punishment in the USA"

and that Green is

"1. ignoring that concentrations of HCN similar to delousing procedures would have been necessary to kill the alleged victims in the time as testified by all 'witnesses', basing mainly on the data we can get from capital punishment in the USA;"

However, in "Chemistry is not the science," Green states:

"There is not a clear consensus on how much Zyklon B was actually used in the gas chambers, but most sources seem to put that number in the same order of magnitude as was used for delousing. […] As we shall see, the actual concentration reached [during homicidal gassings] is significantly lower [than during delousing procedures]"

Thus, what Green did say is that the AMOUNT of Zyklon B (per volume and gassing) used for both delousing and (alleged) homicidal gassings was similar, whereas I speak of the actual "concentrations of HCN [...] necessary to kill the alleged victims in the time as testified by all 'witnesses.'" These are two different things! Green says it would have been significantly lower, and I showed that it had to be in the same order of magnitude, "basing mainly on the data we can get from capital punishment in the USA." It is these data we have about homicidal gassing -- the only reliable ones that exist -- which is what Green ignores. So I have not misrepresented or misunderstood anything. It is Green who overlooked the difference between applied amount and effective concentration.
http://vho.org/GB/c/GR/Evasions.html


So far we have established that as much Zyklon B had to be used in the homicidal 'morgue-gas-chambers' as in the delousing rooms. And that the walls in the alleged 'gas chambers' were many times more likely to absorb Zyklon B.
(And yes, we have also refuted the holocaust believer argument "less Zyklon B required to kill people than lice, thats why no blue stains". As much is required.)


8.5.3.3.3. The Gassing Time

It is true that the gassing time in the delousing rooms was longer than in the alleged homicidal 'gas chambers'. The gassing time in the "homicidal gas chambers" is calculated in The Rudolf Report:
quote:
It may be considered established that under no circumstances could these cellars be entered without a gas mask in less than 3-4 hours after the beginning of the gassing. Hard physical work with gas masks, but without protective clothes, i.e., the alleged removal of the bodies, would not have been possible in less than 11/2 to 2 hours.

If assuming the existence of Zyklon B introduction devices which allowed the removal of Zyklon after the end of the gassing, the resulting data would, of course, look dramatically different, see Table 12. Under such circumstances, it might have been possible to enter the 'gas chamber' with a gas mask for hard labor already after 30 to 45 minutes, and without a gas mask within one to two hours. This would then lie at least within the range of some less extravagant eyewitness accounts. That explains also, why Pressac and van Pelt insist on the existence of these introduction columns, contrary to all physical evidence and despite the lack of any documentary proof and reliable witness testimony. Without those introduction columns, however, the scenarios described by eyewitnesses regarding a swift removal of the corpses from the 'gas chamber' after the gassing are simply impossible.
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html#7.3.2.2.3.

Green, of course, BELIEVES into the existence of the Zyklon B introduction columns - his gassing time is about 20-40 minutes - so that he could keep his faith in the gas chamber story. If he would not BELIEVE in them, he would be forced into same conclusion as Rudolf.


8.5.3.3.4. Conclusions

1) I am assuming that there were no Zyklon B introduction columns - because there is no evidence for them - so the gas could not have been removed right after 15 minutes. In this scenario there were only some holes in the roof, from which the gas was thrown onto the victims. Then the victims would have died and fallen down to the floor, covering the Zyklon B granules and filtering much of the evaporating gas, thus extending the killing time. This would have required even greater overdose of the gas.

As was already dealt with: The walls in the alleged homicidal 'gas chambers' were many times more likely to absorb Zyklon B into prussian blue than the delousing rooms. The same amount of gas had to be used in both rooms. Although the "homicidal gassing time" was shorter than the delousing time, it was still many hours and therefore long enough as an exposure time for prussian blue formation. And assuming that there were about 400 repeated gassings altogether (400 times x 1000 people = 400,000), there would have definetely have formed huge amounts of prussian blue Zyklon B residues. (Even if the gassings were not always regularly repeated every day.)


2) Even if assuming that there were (the non-existent) Zyklon B introduction columns, which would have reduced the gassing time to about 30 to 45 minutes, we have to pay attention to one fact. According to holocaust experts, the gassings were not always regular. During certain periods (such as 1943) there were fewer gassings and not every day were people even gassed. However during 1944 when the Hungarian Jews were allegedly killed, there were much more gassings. This would mean that there were regular gassings and even repeated gassings in one day (even several gassings a day). This would mean that despite the gassing time of just 30-45 minutes, there would have still been a few hours long presense of Zyklon B in the walls of the alleged 'gas chambers'. (Plus of course the hundreds of gassings, ~400, altogether.)

I repeat chemist Roth's testimony under oath: "[Prussian blue formation is] an accumulative reaction; the reaction continued with each exposure".

And lets remember: It is a documented fact that ONLY ONE fumigation with Zyklon B - into the similar, newly built and humid and walls - caused the prussian blue stains to form into the Bavarian church in Germany in 1977. Only one! So even if assuming the existence of (the non-existent) Zyklon B columns, it still would have been expected to see prussian blue formation into the walls.






Ruins of the morgue-gas-chamber of Krema II, no Zyklon blue stains.


No Zyklon Blue, No 'Holocaust'.[/size][/b]


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