 |
|
|
|
 |
Renegade
____________/

Registered: May 2001
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
|
|
|
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
No they don't. They believe in a literal 24 hour period, 7 literal 24 hour days of creation.
1. God does not follow human time scales.
2. No one can state what time scale God follows. All one can say is it is eternity. David was reflecting on God when he said, "1000 days to us is like a day to God." That is not catagorically stating God follows a 1 earth day = 1 God day time scale.
My entire point is, Creationism puts God in a box. They are heretics. |
In the Genesis creation account, the word "day" is translated from the Hebrew word "yom". Everywhere else in the Bible, the word "yom" refers to a literal day (and still does in the Hebrew language for all I know - "Yom Kippur", for instance) so I don't think it's too controversial to say that the authors of the text had in mind literal twenty-four days when they penned it. To pretend otherwise is to pretend that the ancient Hebrews had significant knowledge of cosmology that they chose to elucidate solely through the medium of misleading metaphors.
Remember, the Pentateuch was written by a backwards, insular tribe of pastoralists about 2,500 years ago at the latest. Their scientific understanding of the natural world was probably no greater than that of the average 5 year old today, so it's no great surprise that their naivete is reflected in their text. Yes, believing that the universe was created in 6 literal days is theologically crude. Yes you'd have to be an idiot to believe that there is a mote of scientific insight to be found anywhere in this text. But don't forget, either, that these are the lofty intellectual heights from which all modern Jewish, Christian and Islamic theology is founded!
___________________
http://eschatonnow.blogspot.com/
|
|
Mar-28-2008 03:28
|
|
|
 |
 |
|
 |
 |
shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan

Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
|
|
|
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
In the Genesis creation account, the word "day" is translated from the Hebrew word "yom". Everywhere else in the Bible, the word "yom" refers to a literal day (and still does in the Hebrew language for all I know - "Yom Kippur", for instance) so I don't think it's too controversial to say that the authors of the text had in mind literal twenty-four days when they penned it. To pretend otherwise is to pretend that the ancient Hebrews had significant knowledge of cosmology that they chose to elucidate solely through the medium of misleading metaphors.
Remember, the Pentateuch was written by a backwards, insular tribe of pastoralists about 2,500 years ago at the latest. Their scientific understanding of the natural world was probably no greater than that of the average 5 year old today, so it's no great surprise that their naivete is reflected in their text. Yes, believing that the universe was created in 6 literal days is theologically crude. Yes you'd have to be an idiot to believe that there is a mote of scientific insight to be found anywhere in this text. But don't forget, either, that these are the lofty intellectual heights from which all modern Jewish, Christian and Islamic theology is founded! |
Well, you know I'm not a creationist or even a Christian, so I'm obviously not defending or counter arguing anything here. But to be fair, the word "yom" in Hebrew, Hebrew being a semitic language, isn't rectricted to a singular meaning and like other semitic languages does have several shades of meaning.
"Yom" can referd to:
- a point in time
- a twenty-four hour period
- a year (at least in it's plural form)
- a general and vague reference to an undefined period of "time,"
- the period of light
Modern academics and Hebrew authorities attest that "Yom" is cab be used to denote anywhere from twelve hours up to a year, as well even a undefined time period.
Just wanted to add that.
___________________
"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller
|
|
Mar-28-2008 17:12
|
|
|
 |
 |
MisterOpus1
Grumpy Old Fart

Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City
|
|
|
In other news, a healthy portion of American dipshits believe Saddam attacked us on 9/11.
There's nothing that can be said of such individuals, only that they're clueless twits who have a certain brand of unshakable beliefs, despite any evidence that should knock a blind, deaf, and dumb man over.
There's a great deal of fear of the unknown, and often times these people are looking for someone who either perceives themselves or someone else brands them as an "authority" figure to tell them what to think and do. That authoritarian can very well be a minister, a priest, a President, a husband (or wife), a Faux News mouthpiece, a radio blowhard, etc.
These individuals WANT to be told what to think since they themselves either have no time or little capacity to do it on their own. It's a sad state of affairs, but that's 1/2 of our American society for you, if not more.
___________________
Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...
|
|
Mar-29-2008 20:49
|
|
|
 |
 |
Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte

Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
|
|
|
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
In other news, a healthy portion of American dipshits believe Saddam attacked us on 9/11.
There's nothing that can be said of such individuals, only that they're clueless twits who have a certain brand of unshakable beliefs, despite any evidence that should knock a blind, deaf, and dumb man over.
There's a great deal of fear of the unknown, and often times these people are looking for someone who either perceives themselves or someone else brands them as an "authority" figure to tell them what to think and do. That authoritarian can very well be a minister, a priest, a President, a husband (or wife), a Faux News mouthpiece, a radio blowhard, etc.
These individuals WANT to be told what to think since they themselves either have no time or little capacity to do it on their own. It's a sad state of affairs, but that's 1/2 of our American society for you, if not more. |
...and they're all yours 
___________________
"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."
|
|
Mar-29-2008 23:15
|
|
|
 |
All times are GMT. The time now is 08:33.
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|
Contact Us - return to tranceaddict
Powered by: Trance Music & vBulletin Forums
Copyright ©2000-2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Privacy Statement / DMCA
|