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Originally posted by MarkT The Sheppard line is hardly nostalgic at all, right? Well, Bessarion (sp?) is about 100m or so from IKEA. Why not examine some way to link those two entities? Would anyone be offended or upset if that became "IKEA Station"? Where you could actually buy shit there and link directly to the subway line? It's a huge win for IKEA, the TTC and the public. There is room to be creative too...it doesn't JUST have to be big, evil corporations like Rogers, Bell, etc. who are involved. UofT and Ryerson sure seem to have some spare change these days. Ryerson is expanding at a ridiculous clip (even contemplating tearing down and rebuilding Kerr Hall). They are relocating their student centre to the old Sam's location and are really building up that area. So why not "Ryerson Station" instead of Dundas station? Expansion up to York means getting York, the students and surrounding businesses involved.

I agree with all of this. The problem is, there is no real relevance to any station being called the "Pepsi Station" or the "Bell Station" or the "Rogers Station" etc.

This will only work for a few landmarks, and maybe a head office or two.

Wasn't this in large part how they started building the Sheppard line? It basically goes from mall to mall.

I love the "dangerous precedent" comment about "privatizing public space". Who exactly decided that subway stations should be "public space?" Does the existence of government housing imply that apartments are "public space?"

Most big cities also privatize many or most of their roads and highways. Generally the result of that is - surprise! - better roads and highways.

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I support this only if it doesn't replace the entire station name. The following is acceptable and wouldn't look that bad.



It'd be cool if the whole station was set up like a McDonald's restaurant and you could buy food. If it's not a practical choice to have the store inside the station then they should build it so that it's underneathe/extremely close to one (example - walmart). This would obviously limit advertisers for existing stations.

A "Subway" station would hilarious.

Anything done tastefully that will give TTC more money is a great idea. A city like Toronto should have at least double or triple the amount of station stops there are now.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I love the "dangerous precedent" comment about "privatizing public space". Who exactly decided that subway stations should be "public space?" Does the existence of government housing imply that apartments are "public space?" Most big cities also privatize many or most of their roads and highways. Generally the result of that is - surprise! - better roads and highways.

While I don't dispute the face that privatization has lead to better roadways, when you privatize public spaces (ie. town squares) you effectively lose your right to freedom of expression and other civil liberties.

Want to organize an event about global warming in meeting place x? Too bad, Exxon owns meeting place x and has banned people from doing so.

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^^^ and how does that in any way apply to a subway car, line or station that is still owned and operated by the TTC, with the private sectore obtaining naming rights, a lease, etc?

We're talking about TTC not public space such as parks. Are subway stations, lines and cars not *TTC property*?

the main stumbling block (IMHO) would be that long-term deals would need to be in place to avoid constant renaming, renovation, etc.

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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ and how does that in any way apply to a subway car, line or station that is still owned and operated by the TTC, with the private sectore obtaining naming rights, a lease, etc? We're talking about TTC not public space such as parks. Are subway stations, lines and cars not *TTC property*? the main stumbling block (IMHO) would be that long-term deals would need to be in place to avoid constant renaming, renovation, etc.

Sure it applies. McDonalds pres. King Station could be a Burger King ban zone... lol

Public space or not, I still say its a slippery slope.

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Originally posted by DigiNut [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE]Most big cities also privatize many or most of their roads and highways. Generally the result of that is - surprise! - better roads and highways.

Do you have any specific examples of this? The only local implementation I have seen was the 407, and I am still not sure who benefited more on the deal.

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Originally posted by Dave Akermanis Sure it applies. McDonalds pres. King Station could be a Burger King ban zone... lol Public space or not, I still say its a slippery slope.

great...but that's illogical.

you just created (however tongue in cheek) an analogy between infringing upon our right to peaceful assembly with corporate exclusivity agreements on private property?

lol...FAIL

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Originally posted by Orko Do you have any specific examples of this? The only local implementation I have seen was the 407, and I am still not sure who benefited more on the deal.

A Globe & Mail article on this topic noted that Dubai (filty rich country) is contemplating selling naming rights to some transit properties, IIRC.

The 407 deal was disasterous because they 407 consortium was given *way* too much authority and revenues were given up.

The TTC could retain full ownership and operation of the system and properties with very specific leases that clearly spell out what the private sector can and cannot do.

Fares still 100% go to TTC, while relinquising all ad and retail lease revenues to the private sector. I think it's easy enough to manage this. The opposition is idealogical in nature...not because of a lack of feasibility.

Needs must in this situation

And for those of you who like to know which side of the train to get off - this guide is ACE

http://www.ttcrider.ca/

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Originally posted by English Rachel Needs must in this situation And for those of you who like to know which side of the train to get off - this guide is ACE http://www.ttcrider.ca/

This one is the best:

The orange dot on six-car subway platforms can be used as an easy way to remember where to wait for the train on the platform, so that when you get to your destination station, you're lined up near the stairs or escalators. The orange dot is attached to the wall in each subway station and lines up to approximately the 3rd car, 3rd door of each train.

Destination stations where the orange dot is useful:

* Bathurst (eastbound and westbound)
* Bay (eastbound and westbound)
* Broadview (eastbound)
* Castle Frank (eastbound)
* Chester (eastbound and westbound)
* Christie (eastbound and westbound)
* Coxwell (westbound)
* Davisville (eastbound and westbound)
* Donlands (eastbound)
* Dufferin (eastbound and westbound)
* Dupont (northbound and southbound)
* Eglinton (northbound and southbound)
* Finch (northbound and southbound)
* Islington (eastbound and westbound)
* Jane (eastbound and westbound)
* Kennedy
* King (northbound and southbound)
* Main Street (eastbound)
* North York Centre (southbound)
* Osgoode (northbound and southbound)
* Pape (eastbound and westbound)
* Queen's Park (northbound)
* Runnymede (eastbound and westbound)
* Sheppard (northbound and southbound)
* Sherbourne (westbound)
* St. Andrew (northbound)
* St. George (eastbound, westbound, northbound and southbound)
* St. Patrick (southbound)
* Union (westbound — towards University line)
* Victoria Park (eastbound)
* Warden (eastbound and westbound)
* Wellesley (southbound)
* Wilson (northbound and southbound)
* Yonge (westbound)


A simple way to remember which stations are orange dot stations is to remember them as an acronym:
BBBCCCCDDDDDEFIJKKMNOPQRSSSSSUVWWWY
Pronounce it out like a word and remember it by the way it sounds.

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