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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Saudi Arabia is a degerate state, but it isn't an expanding colony wiping out the indigenous population. Big difference.

you didn't ask for a country where it occurs for the same reasons. you asked for a state to which the west was subservient despite the utter disregard for ethical norms or laws. i gave you one; one in which the conduct is far more brutal, despite the difference in reasons.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 you didn't ask for a country where it occurs for the same reasons. you asked for a state to which the west was subservient despite the utter disregard for ethical norms or laws. i gave you one; one in which the conduct is far more brutal, despite the difference in reasons.

How many UN resolutions has it violated in contrast? The West isn't subservient to Saudi Arabia; Saudi Arabia is subservient to the West.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm familiar with historical exagerations and fabrications. You can't avoid it if you've been through the school system.

if the Holocoust and the extermination camps are fabrication to you, our discussion is useless.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Everyone keeps forgetting that Israel is a throroughly European country. I just don't want this detail to be overlooked when discussing the US-Israel relationship. I would venture to say, Israel's relationship with Europe is actually stronger than with the US, when you consider the # of Israeli tourists/workers there, the trade that goes on, the culture etc.

i.e. not semitic.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Flotser if the Holocoust and the extermination camps are fabrication to you, our discussion is useless.

Show me where I said that.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Because there was no attempted extermination of an entire religious group. There was a madman belonging to the Thule Society, funded in part by the Rothchilds and Warburdgs, who wasn't even Aryan and had ideas of Aryan supremacy and creating a perfect aryan nation... all other ethnicities being inferior according to that perspective, even "non-ideal" Aryans. It's true there was plenty of racism and anti-Jewish sentiment in Europe at the time... and towards anyone else too. But let's not make connections that don't exist.

just because jewish people weren't being killed on the street by random people doesn't make the act any less an attempted extermination. the fact that so many soldiers were actually following through with orders implies there was a deep hatred for jewish people. you can't follow through with those acts unless there is a deep seeded hatred.

even if some soldiers feared death for not following through with the killings, that doesn't explain much because someone would have to kill the soldier for not killing the jews. i can't imagine that fellow soldiers would kill soldiers for not killing jews unless they themselves hated jews (they would have to feel justified in killing that other soldier). this wasn't one man's hatred. hitler certainly didn't kill 6 million jews by himself.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z How many UN resolutions has it violated in contrast? The West isn't subservient to Saudi Arabia; Saudi Arabia is subservient to the West.

i don't know how many. but i like how you subsequently change the parameters of the question in hopes that the answer no longer holds true.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z The West isn't subservient to Saudi Arabia; Saudi Arabia is subservient to the West.

please....we look the other way with all kinds of human rights violations commmited by saudi arabia because of oil. saudi arabia has something we want, so we don't upset them for fear of it being held back. why do leftist people always consider the demander of goods to have the upper hand. with oil, the one commodity that we have built our energy foundation upon, the supplier is king.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 just because jewish people weren't being killed on the street by random people doesn't make the act any less an attempted extermination. the fact that so many soldiers were actually following through with orders implies there was a deep hatred for jewish people. you can't follow through with those acts unless there is a deep seeded hatred. even if some soldiers feared death for not following through with the killings, that doesn't explain much because someone would have to kill the soldier for not killing the jews. i can't imagine that fellow soldiers would kill soldiers for not killing jews unless they themselves hated jews (they would have to feel justified in killing that other soldier). this wasn't one man's hatred. hitler certainly didn't kill 6 million jews by himself.

Yes, he didn't kill 6 million jews, that's about the only correct statement other than a prejudice towards Jews.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 i don't know how many. but i like how you subsequently change the parameters of the question in hopes that the answer no longer holds true.

No I didn't. If you're too dense, indoctrinated, or ignorant to understand the question that isn't my fault.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Show me where I said that.

you serious?

your answer to:

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Originally posted by Flotser do me a little favor, and at least look up the word "holocaust" in google images. and read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holoca...rmination_camps thanks.

and

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Originally posted by Flotser now do me a favor, and follow the links i gave you in the previous post.

was

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm familiar with historical exagerations and fabrications. You can't avoid it if you've been through the school system.

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Originally posted by Flotser you serious? your answer to: and was

So where does it say concentration camps didn't exist or people were not exterminated in them? You clearly didn't read anything in that thread and are working off your assumptions again.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller