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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im not denying that, what im saying is that they were caught.

So and ... did they get punished? Big friggin' deal if they got caught or not if they are still allowed to carry on their criminal acts. This is not a tag game of hide and go seek. They were caught, but even since then they HAVENT CHANGED A THING. So how much of a difference or how much of use "getting caught" was at all? Its a MILLION TIMES WORSE than not getting caught at all. Face it.

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actually, 9/11 CTs do all kinds of things that hurt people. internet stalking, profiteering from catastrophe by selling dishonest mercendise, abusing public officials' children, accusing people of mass murder without any evidence, deliberately misrepresenting facts or evidence, misleading dozens of well-to-do people that don't know any better, attacking the scientific method, harassing anyone that disagrees with them. no, they haven't blown anything up. yet. or maybe they have? the standard of proof for blowing up buildings seems to be incredibly low, so i may as well add "terrorist acts" to the list, i have as much evidence as they do.

One word for you - IRAQ. I am sure you'll be able to associate plenty of profiteering, deaths, accusing people, misleading, etc. Many countless times more innocent people were hurt and much more money profiteered from Iraq alone.

And also, I'd like to repeat my point that I've made twenty million times before - no matter what the situation or the case - there will ALWAYS be people who try to make money on anything. Even greener living and environmentally friendly products or even CT merchandise. Which doesnt means that we should stop buying environment-friendly products or dismiss ALL CT stories as lies. Its just human nature. While some people try to make a difference and help, some retards will step in to squeeze the change. Even DJ's have to pay their bills. Think about it.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium So and ... did they get punished? Big friggin' deal if they got caught or not if they are still allowed to carry on their criminal acts. This is not a tag game of hide and go seek. They were caught, but even since then they HAVENT CHANGED A THING. So how much of a difference or how much of use "getting caught" was at all? Its a MILLION TIMES WORSE than not getting caught at all. Face it.

you're totally missing my point. i am saying that governments rarely do such things and get away with them. they can't keep secrets. they're managing to keep a pretty damned impressive secret re 9/11 wouldnt you say?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium One word for you - IRAQ. I am sure you'll be able to associate plenty of profiteering, deaths, accusing people, misleading, etc. Many countless times more innocent people were hurt and much more money profiteered from Iraq alone.

what's that got to do with, well, anything? since when are we talking about iraq?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium And also, I'd like to repeat my point that I've made twenty million times before - no matter what the situation or the case - there will ALWAYS be people who try to make money on anything. Even greener living and environmentally friendly products or even CT merchandise. Which doesnt means that we should stop buying environment-friendly products or dismiss ALL CT stories as lies. Its just human nature. While some people try to make a difference and help, some retards will step in to squeeze the change. Even DJ's have to pay their bills. Think about it.

right, so youre ok with people telling lies and making money from it?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you're totally missing my point. i am saying that governments rarely do such things and get away with them. they can't keep secrets. they're managing to keep a pretty damned impressive secret re 9/11 wouldnt you say? what's that got to do with, well, anything? since when are we talking about iraq? right, so youre ok with people telling lies and making money from it?

Its a hopeless discussion. Its nearly 2AM and I have to wake up in 5 hours. You're justifying the current situation in America and the countries that its politics affect, thats all. 9/11 was the setting block for the chain of events that people still argue about.

When it comes to "people telling lies and making money from it" - its fucking television and movies. People have the right to voice their opinions and pay the bills / costs incurred doing it. Unless you think people are free and have no liabilities. You might as well sue every other movie for being wrong. People make choices which documentary or movie to watch, so get over it. If a movie tells you to go shoot yourself to have a better day - will you do it?

However, its another thing to bomb innocent civilians, especially long after it became clear that the information given was fabricated and a lie. CT movies dont kill or hurt people, for the last time. But American government does. Now, if you can excuse me, I must run to bed as I already can tell I will be very pissed and weary waking up for a hard 10-hour work day on 5 hours of sleep. Fuck.

night night! don't let the boogieman bite.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you're totally missing my point. i am saying that governments rarely do such things and get away with them. they can't keep secrets. they're managing to keep a pretty damned impressive secret re 9/11 wouldnt you say? what's that got to do with, well, anything? since when are we talking about iraq? right, so youre ok with people telling lies and making money from it?

How often do they get caught?

How often do they not get caught?

How often do members of the general public find out?

Insert into statistical analysis algorithm, and find where you stand.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby How often do they get caught?

if we are talking about operations as large as 9/11 would have had to have been, they would get caught 100% of the time.

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if we are talking about operations as large as 9/11 would have had to have been, they would get caught 100% of the time.

This is exactly why most people now know the official story of 9/11 is bull shit. There is no way Osama and his puppets overcame the worlds strongest military power on their own.

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Originally posted by culorut This is exactly why most people now know the official story of 9/11 is bull shit. There is no way Osama and his puppets overcame the worlds strongest military power on their own.

You are a complete idiot, don't lump "most people" in there with yourself.

Osama had the element of surprise on his side. Prior to 9/11 airplanes had never been used as piloted missiles before. He didn't stage a conventional invasion of the US. He didn't attack US Military forces, so overcoming the military had nothing to do with it.

His plan for the attacks was genius, he completely caught us with our pants down. Where he made an error was in judging what the response would be. My guess is he was expecting a Clintonesque response where we would blow up a few empty training camps with cruise missiles and be on our way. I think he misjudged Bush and was in no way expecting us to bomb and invade Afghanistan and boot his Taliban buddies out of power.

The 9/11 attacks were a tactical success but a strategic failure. He has lost his safe haven and is constantly on the run under threat of capture or death. His organization has not been able to stage another attack anywhere near the magnitude of 9/11 in the almost 7 years since.

No you are a complete idiot if you believe that they overcame America with the bull shit official story.

Look back in the main 9/11 thread and read for yourself that the USA has long known and planned for attacks using hijacked airliners.

In fact they where running the exact same drill (war game) that same morning (hijacked planes) on 9/11, another surprising coincidence of course...

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Originally posted by culorut No you are a complete idiot if you believe that they overcame America with the bull shit official story. Look back in the main 9/11 thread and read for yourself that the USA has long known and planned for attacks using hijacked airliners. In fact they where running the exact same drill (war game) that same morning (hijacked planes) on 9/11, another surprising coincidence of course...

Wrong jackass, in the drills the airliner being used as a weapon was a flight originating OUTSIDE the continental US. Nowhere did anyone think that terrorists would come to the US, smuggle weapons onto an airline, and then use the aircraft as a weapon. This is why NORAD was not able to deal with the situation on 9/11. In the drill scenarios NORAD would have had hours of notice that an airliner was hijacked and headed to the US and that airliner would have been coming from an area NORAD was prepared to defend - US airspace over the coasts. Its radars pointed that way and there would be much less air traffic to pick the planes out from.

On 9/11 by the time the reports of the hijacking were confirmed the planes were minutes from hitting their targets. There was little time to react for a mission NORAD was in no way prepared for.

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Originally posted by culorut This is exactly why most people now know the official story of 9/11 is bull shit. There is no way Osama and his puppets overcame the worlds strongest military power on their own.

"most" people?

look at the throngs of people!!

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Really because NORAD has intercepted every last plane within the same amount of time or less since it's inception.

ONLY ON 9/11 WAS THIS NOT THE CASE. (coincidence of course)

The only reason they could not intercept is they could not tell who was a "dummy" in the sky between the real thing. The war games caused confusion and by the time they realized it the closet jets had already been scrambled too far to recover.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/