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bananas
baby i got your money
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Mordor
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 May-21-2008 19:45 
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Zoso
Banging Gangs!
Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Dirty South, United States
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May-21-2008 19:50 
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Moral Hazard
Oppressing the 99%
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: with the 1%
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| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Just for fun, let's run with this for a minute. You and I both know that any kind of position on God and creation requires a few blanket or foundational assumptions, and unless I'm wrong, what you've stated above hinges on the assumption that our will is free.
Given that assumption, which of the so-called "omni-3's" are you willing to sacrifice to allow for God to exist compatibly with free will? In order for our will to be free, we've got to have the right to choose, if we have the right to choose, God cannot be omniscient as he cannot possibly know what we will choose given that our will is free. His omnipotence also seems to come into question, albeit on the much weaker argument that for our will to be free, he cannot guide our action - thus removing the quality of his being "all powerful.'
Not trying to pick on you at all Craig, the problem of free will isn't something anyone has come to consensus on, and there are obviously countless ways in which various theists have resolved it for themselves, I'm just curious how you do. |
Indeed, my argument does hing on the assumption that we have free will. Interestingly, I've actually questioned on many occasions whether or not that is true or we just believe our will is free because we prefer to not think of ourselves as slaves. Ultimately, I cannot assert that this is absolutely true; however, I accept that it is as I cannot see any rational reason for an entity capable of creating the universe to create life therein if they are mearly appendages to himself.
As far as the omnis go, I've struggled. Ultimately, I believe that god must have the ability to be omniscient and omnipotent; however, he has elected to not intervien in the day to day affairs of man (which was once a source of a feeling I had toward god which bordered on hatred). This position does not negate omniscientance or omnipotentance as it is of god's choice not to exercise his omnipotentance thus rendering his non-omniscient. There is a difference between not exercising his abilities and not having them. With regard to the omnibenevolence, I've never accepted that as it pertains to the time we (all living things) spend in physical form, I believe that it is not until after this life that god's omnibenevolence is exercised. I will happily admit; however, that my position on this is really my own based on a number of theological traditions and philisophical positions reconsiled through my own (possibly flawed) reason.
I always enjoy your questions, Rob. Please forgive me if my explenations are clumsy today, I'm fighing the flu and not at the top of my game.
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| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about. |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down 
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