I agree with most of the things people have said above.

And while i personally think track selection makes the biggest difference, poor beat matching can temporarily distract you from the great mix.

This is obviously just temporary but it's great when the track selection and beat matching is spot on.

Otherwise you're there going ahhhhh the transition is off but once the new song is in you forget about the crappy transition because (hopefully) the new song is something special.

That is all

it's all about the music not the format, i learned on regular vinyl turntables 2 belt drives and a gemini 2 channel. know i use traktor with the time code vinyls so i have the option of auto tempo sync if i find that i need it. but who cares what you are using, not just any chap can fire up ableton and have a set lined up like it aint no thing. hense sasha and his pure ableton rig. don't hear anybody doubting any of sasha's sets. i'm more and more impressed every time i hear him

if i know for a fact that a DJ cant mix without the aid of a computer then yeah, im less than impressed. same way i'd be less than impressed with a rockstar that couldn't play guitar.

when it comes to big names i couldn't give a shit, coz i know they can mix and using a computer probably adds a lot to their set. but if its just some johnn-come-lately that hasn't had to deal with the blood, sweat & tears like i have, then it'd have to take something special for me to give a shit about them.

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Originally posted by RJT I also just want to add that I think part of the problem of the whole medium debate is that it seems many folks want to assert that the same standards for what qualifies as "good" dj'ing across the board between mediums (digital, CD, vinyl).

well put.

By the same token, though, I would argue that expectations simply go up across the different mediums. There are a lot of things that would be impressive with vinyl that wouldn't on a laptop, but I can't think of anything that would be impressive on a laptop but not on turntables.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous well put. By the same token, though, I would argue that expectations simply go up across the different mediums. There are a lot of things that would be impressive with vinyl that wouldn't on a laptop, but I can't think of anything that would be impressive on a laptop but not on turntables.

Yeah, that's a really sound point. Basically as the opportunities the various mediums present increase, so do expectations - and I think that's pretty clear between what I guess are the last two really big "leaps" (being from vinyl to CD, and CD to laptop) in dj'ing.

All in all, it's probably a good thing for everyone - people don't get off lightly for doing nothing more than leaning on technology, and the traditionalists on vinyl who are truly talented are still as impressive as ever.

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Originally posted by Az as long as the music is good and they're not using mixed in key, I think it's fine. Having a program beatmatching for you is one thing, but practically picking the records for you as well?..... fuck no.

Since when does mixed in key pick the track for you? Not that I use it myself, but I get the feeling you are perhaps confusing it for something else?

I use harmonic mixing most of the time, but that only means that I use music theory to give me an idea of what will sound good. And as always stated, its not just a question of putting tracks together in the same key, it´s your further understanding that makes the difference as with anything else mentioned in this thread it´s a tool, how you use it is the main point.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Since when does mixed in key pick the track for you? Not that I use it myself, but I get the feeling you are perhaps confusing it for something else?

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click Start Processing and Mixed In Key will show you which songs mix together without a key clash

taken from www.mixedinkey.com
I'd say that practically picks the records for you.


sometimes key clashes are nice

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Originally posted by Az taken from www.mixedinkey.com I'd say that practically picks the records for you.

I agree in the sense that mixed in key is a tool for people who aren´t prepared or able to work out the key of their tracks and the music theory behind it.
But to believe that it´s going to be able to pick the right track for you in a live DJ set is a vast exageration of any softwares capabilities.

Mixed in key is purely there to help people identify the key of a track and keep track of the other tunes they have (Noteworthy is the fact that it´s not 100% accurate at identifying keys and someone with a trained ear will be much more accurate).

It does not even venture into the same ball park in terms of value when talking musical knowledge and DJ experience and I personally don´t understand the attack on this software as you are basing it around your own misconceptions of what it does.

Judging from your posts I would be inclined to state that you don´t mix harmonically either. To sumarise, you are basically dismissing a tool that you have never used that helps people do something which you have no idea how it works.

Don´t get me wrong, I have nothing personal against you, but you need to have a better understanding of something before trash talking it.

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Who gives a shit!?

If it sounds good and people are dancing, the dj is doing his/her job.

As mentioned earlier the "format" doesn't matter to me.

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Originally posted by gl.tch If it sounds good and people are dancing, the dj is doing his/her job.

yes, i've come to really appreciate the live aspect of deejaying. it's all about drama and storytelling for me

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Originally posted by nefardec yes, i've come to really appreciate the live aspect of deejaying. it's all about drama and storytelling for me

I like live DJing because its all about the fucking moment.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 I agree in the sense that mixed in key is a tool for people who aren´t prepared or able to work out the key of their tracks and the music theory behind it. But to believe that it´s going to be able to pick the right track for you in a live DJ set is a vast exageration of any softwares capabilities.

granted, but it does give you a list of tracks that may be suitable, instead of a DJ having to know their records and picking one himself. Hence the practically.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Mixed in key is purely there to help people identify the key of a track and keep track of the other tunes they have (Noteworthy is the fact that it´s not 100% accurate at identifying keys and someone with a trained ear will be much more accurate).

but the whole point of it is to be able to arrange tracks that can be harmonically mixed together using the the bullshit "easy mix system" it has

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 It does not even venture into the same ball park in terms of value when talking musical knowledge and DJ experience and I personally don´t understand the attack on this software as you are basing it around your own misconceptions of what it does.

congratulations on stating the fucking obvious. I have no misconceptions about the software, it analyses records, and assigns them with the key and a number

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www.mixedinkey.com If you're in key of 4A, your next song can be 3A, 4A or 5A. You are simply subtracting or adding one hour. By using this method, your mixes will be harmonic.

which to me, although it may not be correct 100% of the time, is still suggesting records for a DJ is it not?

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Judging from your posts I would be inclined to state that you don´t mix harmonically either.

what in the fuck does that have to do with anything?

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 To sumarise, you are basically dismissing a tool that you have never used that helps people do something which you have no idea how it works.

I'm perfectly aware of how it works, I'm dismissing it as a shit tool that attempts to make things that are already quite easy, even easier, unnecessarily.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Don´t get me wrong, I have nothing personal against you, but you need to have a better understanding of something before trash talking it. Nem

thats lovely, To summarise, I'm inclined to think you are a fucking bellend

Last edited by Az on Jun-27-2008 at 21:06