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Originally posted by Beat Blog What could you possibly need that much of a reduction for?

Im working with BIG and v loud systems for 12 hours (or more) at a time.
Prime example: this saturday I had the house rig which is stupidly powerful anyway, but with a valve rig for additional subs. It kept shaking the sockets out of the wall it was kicking out that much bass.
I also have very powerful monitors- usually running very loud - less than 1m from my head for that entire period.
Amongst other reasons, that is why.

I dont need to hear it loud, just hear it- the quieter the better for me personally.

does it exist anyone that damps freqs under 100HZ more than the rest? -6dB/oct or something? slightyl roloff. in clubs the bass is most about feel anyway right?

Hey folks.

Thought I'd pipe in on this one - as bizzarely, I've become a media ambassador for the 'Action for Tinnitus Research' in the UK.

(http://www.tinnitus-research.org)

The very fact you're getting the ringing in your ears after even one night out shows that your ears have been affected. Go again, they'll be affected again. Go again... you know where I'm going with this.

You can't just say "I'll go 20 times, then I'll start wearing plugs, as that's the golden ticket for tinnitus" It'll just happen and you REALLY don't want this fucking ringing in your ears.

1) Ear plugs in nightclubs - you might not think it's cool
2) Wearing a hearing aid at 40 certainly WON'T be cool - if I need a hearing aid when I'm 40 (like some of my DJ friends) I'll be, more than anything else, embarrassed as hell.
3) Wearing an ear plug in your live ear when single ear monitoring will mean you won't have to crank up the headphones, so will save your hearing in the other ear too - and help you hear the music a lot more clearly too.

Thank (insert your deity here) I started wearing plugs in time - so hopefully I'll have averted serious hearing damage, but 10 years of playing the drums and 15 years DJing have me wishing I wasn't such a wanker when I was young, and just wore ear plugs.

And specifically to DJ RANN:

"it just all seems a bit contradictory and very nancy."

WTF? are you 12? Sorry if that's going to induce a flame, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard since Britney stated she'd keep the hymen for marriage.

1) Wearing ear plugs saves your ears, hands down - no argument.

2) You may not understand now why all your friends are wearing ear plugs and think they're uncool, but when you realise one night as you lie in the still of the night with a high pitched ringing in your ears that you'er now stuck with it, and two cheap pieces of foam (or, of course some ER-20's like I use) would have saved you from this shit - you'll wish you were one of them.

And to be honest, with the state of the sound systems of some clubs I've been to, I much prefer having plugs in as they tidy up the sound and make it a much better night.

Lecture over - they're your ears - do what you want with them, but if I can be as bold as to say that your 'Nancy' comment is a bit close-minded and immature (sorry) then I think you should keep your thoughts to yourself and not poison your more sensible friends.

fuck, I sound like a parent...

As to the OP - if you're still not happy with them, go back to who made them and check they've not messed up. I'm assuming you paid for them? It's their duty to make sure they're what you asked for (ie, comfortable, and succesfully reduce volume levels.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

John

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Originally posted by DJRecess Hey folks. Thought I'd pipe in on this one - as bizzarely, I've become a media ambassador for the 'Action for Tinnitus Research' in the UK. (http://www.tinnitus-research.org) The very fact you're getting the ringing in your ears after even one night out shows that your ears have been affected. Go again, they'll be affected again. Go again... you know where I'm going with this. You can't just say "I'll go 20 times, then I'll start wearing plugs, as that's the golden ticket for tinnitus" It'll just happen and you REALLY don't want this fucking ringing in your ears. 1) Ear plugs in nightclubs - you might not think it's cool 2) Wearing a hearing aid at 40 certainly WON'T be cool - if I need a hearing aid when I'm 40 (like some of my DJ friends) I'll be, more than anything else, embarrassed as hell. 3) Wearing an ear plug in your live ear when single ear monitoring will mean you won't have to crank up the headphones, so will save your hearing in the other ear too - and help you hear the music a lot more clearly too. Thank (insert your deity here) I started wearing plugs in time - so hopefully I'll have averted serious hearing damage, but 10 years of playing the drums and 15 years DJing have me wishing I wasn't such a wanker when I was young, and just wore ear plugs. And specifically to DJ RANN: "it just all seems a bit contradictory and very nancy." WTF? are you 12? Sorry if that's going to induce a flame, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard since Britney stated she'd keep the hymen for marriage. 1) Wearing ear plugs saves your ears, hands down - no argument. 2) You may not understand now why all your friends are wearing ear plugs and think they're uncool, but when you realise one night as you lie in the still of the night with a high pitched ringing in your ears that you'er now stuck with it, and two cheap pieces of foam (or, of course some ER-20's like I use) would have saved you from this shit - you'll wish you were one of them. And to be honest, with the state of the sound systems of some clubs I've been to, I much prefer having plugs in as they tidy up the sound and make it a much better night. Lecture over - they're your ears - do what you want with them, but if I can be as bold as to say that your 'Nancy' comment is a bit close-minded and immature (sorry) then I think you should keep your thoughts to yourself and not poison your more sensible friends. fuck, I sound like a parent... As to the OP - if you're still not happy with them, go back to who made them and check they've not messed up. I'm assuming you paid for them? It's their duty to make sure they're what you asked for (ie, comfortable, and succesfully reduce volume levels. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE John

Do me a favour John, read the entire thread not just my last post before commenting in future:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Good explanation, and fair enough. I understand if a DJ does, it just surprised me when I heard that clubbers were doing it. I think the most dangerous thing for your ears is not soundsystems themselves (even though they won't help) but headphones that are too loud - SPL's behave differently and are much more dangerous in enclosed spaces such as full enclosure headphones.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I get it why someone working in the environment needs them, or someone who spends a lot of their time in a club professionally and still wants protection when they go out socially, so as to protect their ears from regular exposure to high SPLs.

And I never said it didn't look cool...in fact if you read it you'd see I didn't even know....

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I bumped in to a group of friends in a club who all had custom earplugs in. I couldn't see it and I wouldn't have known but they couldn't hear me or each other properly until one of them said "oh just let me take this out..".

I do understand your position due to your affiliation, which is great and I hope you do some good work to spread the word to those who don't know about about this subject. I've been clubbing for nearly 15 years Dj'ing and producing for most of that time too. So do the math, I'm old enough not get offended by people on websites.
As I said, read my posts, not just react to the last one. Earlier, I said clearly if you're spending a lot of time either personally or professionally in an environment such as will damage your hearing then I'm all for it and completely understand why someone will do it. I work in a studio environment. I have a medical background. I know the risks.....


And there lies my point. Going out once a month or so to a club even for 10 years, is not going to make you go deaf. I just wish people would take a more considered approach to arguments such as this, taking all the aspects of the subject matter, not just a polarised view one way or the other. Earplugs worn all the time will obviously protect your ears (duh). But I don't agree that occasional exposure (read: NOT REGULAR) to high SPL's will have a detrimental, long term effect on your hearing.

Nancy is maybe the wrong word, point taken, but I don't care, it's over the top to suggest that people who go out to a club are in danger of damaging their hearing without earplugs, which is the tone and slant of your post.

Any of your DJ friends who have hearing aids at 40 (and yes I know a couple too) had no idea of the dangers and were very badly informed, but that again doesn't warrant near scare mongering about the dangers. Working in a loud environment is a completely differnt consideration than the occasional clubber, which is what I have been making point about.

Hey,

I did indeed read your entire posts and though a lot of my reply you had already said, I was merely taking issue with the fact you thought it was 'nancy' and that you thought going to a club and coming home with ringing in your ears doesn't seem to mean anything bad has happened to them - or more that repeated (even occasionally) exposure won't lead to worse damage.

Yes, in the morning it'll be fine. But what about the next time? There isn't a "Go to a club 100 times, and on youw 101st you'll get tinnitus" deal with this - even if you spread out your visits to a club over 30 yers, you're still damaging your ears each time you go. And my point was simply that I didn't understand how you could be so blase about something like this.

It probably all came down to your unfortunate choice of the word 'Nancy' *which is where I took the inference you thought it was uncool to wear them.

Anyway, maybe it takes something like having tinnitus to fully understand the importance of not having it. I hope you avoid it, and sorry if you thought my reply seemed uninformed - I'll stop preaching - I guess THIS is the downside to being affiliated to a charity/organistation, I take things way too seriously now.

John

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Last edited by DJRecess on Aug-05-2008 at 08:27

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Originally posted by DJRecess (or, of course some ER-20's like I use) John

I was just looking at getting a set of these but they look like they have a reallly long stem on the end, do they cause problems when you wear your headphones over them?

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Well, the thing is, I don't wear both of the earplugs when I'm actually DJing - just one in the live ear.

I single ear monitor when mixing, so my left ear has the headphone on (with no earplug inside) and my right ear, which is open to the monitor in the booth, has an earplug in it. This gives me (IMHO) the best sound quality possible - I get a 'tidy' sound from the booth monitor, and I don't have to crank up the headphones to balance off the sound levels and create a decent stereo image in my head.

And when not 'in the mix' etc, I just pop the other one into my left ear for protection. I do recommend them, they're lovely little plugs - the stem is as big as a babies arm for sure, but if you don't mix with both headphones on, then it's not a problem.

John.

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