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| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
Your disturbed mind wont let you get pass the fact that the long term effect of this liberation will be the best thing that ever happened to Iraq. Decades from now Iraqis will be grateful that the US overthrew their dictator. Please Opus dont be so negative. We are in the right track now, and things are getting better for Iraq. And yet the far left still wont get past " why did we invade iraq". and they proclaim theirself the party of "change" and "progress" when clearly they are still living in the past. |
The negativity I share with over 2/3 of Americans who also want us out is also shared with the majority of Iraqis as well as the majority of their government. Once again it's worth pointing out that you and the rest of the fading neocons are in the minority with your views of "success", however that may be measured.
Which, by the way, can you help define "victory" for us again? Can you help define the goals to which we have before you move them once again? Because your Administration has the darnest time defining these things for us all, which tends to bring a slight bout of skepticism in all of us as a consequence.
Regardless, the examination of the SURGE! needs to be understood not by the short-term decrease in violence, but how exactly that short term decrease was created in the first place and the consequences that could very well result in the creation. A cease fire created and continued by al Sadr is a very large part of this decrease in violence, which he absolutely loves to continue since the situation completely favors his interests in the future. The displacement of tens of millions of Iraqis via ethnic cleansing is also a major point of concern that has contributed to the decrease as well, yet it seemingly is completely overlooked and hand-waved away as if it carries no consequence. The paying off of the Sunni insurgents with money and guns is also being completely overlooked, which again has a short-term gain of decreasing violence but can have a cataclysmic long-term effect of heavily arming and supplying one of the main clashing factions.
This all has a potential boiling effect that can explode at any moment without notice, yet you want us to merely clap louder and stop being so darn negative.
Oh, and by the way, you remember the whole point of the SURGE!, right? It was NOT for a means to an end of simply reducing violence. The means was to reduce violence for an end result of the political process to take place so we can get their government to finally govern themselves, and then we get the fuck outa there. The goals that were created (18, I believe) are still not even close to being met as the Iraqi government continues to rely on us as their crutch, even though the majority of their political members want us out as well.
And that is why the SURGE! continues to be unsuccessful, because the primary goal of the political process remains stagnant, and we have put absolutely no pressure on them to move forward, which I firmly believe must happen. The threat of our troops leaving in a phased withdrawal, I believe, is a useful tool to put pressure on the Iraqi government to move forward so they can finally govern themselves and control their own country. And the tactics on how it was created is also quite dangerous for the reasons I described above.
By the way, how the hell do they keep letting your ass back in here? Their tolerance is obviously much higher for you than I ever would have, but I guess we'll wait and see how long it takes you to get banned once again.
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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...
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