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Originally posted by Kinezi Oh please stop shoving your democracy on every corner of this planet.

Shoving? I didn't say we should all go there and overthrow the government. I'm talking about an influx of ideas that will be difficult to prevent, and I said that was a possibility. Don't mix the modals up: may != will.

Do you really think that these games will have no impact whatsoever? What's wrong with a possible democracy, by the way?

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS The world, and the tourists, will only see what the PRC allow them to see. They have already banned open photography, you don't think they have greater ambitions than that? They want to show the world what a modern, progressive country they are, but the shiny gloss they've rolled on Beijing is in no way a reflection of the country as a whole. Anyone care to google the 1936 Summer Olympics?

I did google that, and like I said, Beijing is not like Nazi Berlin. Germany had been punished too harshly after WWI, and totalitarism was blooming in many European countries. The four regional powers surrounding China (India, Japan, Russia and South Korea) aren't totalitarian, and they haven't been in a war with China for quite a while.

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Originally posted by Lira Shoving? I didn't say we should all go there and overthrow the government. I'm talking about an influx of ideas that will be difficult to prevent, and I said that was a possibility. Don't mix the modals up: may != will. Do you really think that these games will have no impact whatsoever? What's wrong with a possible democracy, by the way? This is probably the best thing that could possibly have happened to China. The communist regime cannot control all these foreigners as if they were ordinary citizens. This may well be the seed of a later democratic revolution thanks to the influx of new ideas. Besides, the Olympic Games tend to be profitable events, and they can't control the market (and the citizens) forever. Beijing is not Berlin 70 years ago.

Nothing is wrong with Democracy.. but what you are suggesting with words like 'communist regime' is that presently China is having some evil governmening system that tortures millions of Chinese.. and these Chinese people who have been living and thriving on its present system has been for past 50 years praying for the overthrow of the 'communist regime'. Well let set something very clear.. Chinese and China have acheived what they are today under this system.. and they like it.. they dont need an influx of ideas.. What would be diffcult to prevent? And prevent from whom? What makes you think that Chinese people want democracy? What makes you think that Iraqies want democracy?

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Originally posted by Kinezi Nothing is wrong with Democracy.. but what you are suggesting with words like 'communist regime' is that presently China is having some evil governmening system that tortures millions of Chinese.. and these Chinese people who have been living and thriving on its present system has been for past 50 years praying for the overthrow of the 'communist regime'. Well let set something very clear.. Chinese and China have acheived what they are today under this system.. and they like it.. they dont need an influx of ideas.. What would be diffcult to prevent? And prevent from whom? What makes you think that Chinese people want democracy? What makes you think that Iraqies want democracy?

Wait, what are you talking about? I didn't mention torture... or Iraq, for that matter. I didn't even intend to speak on their behalf, let alone tell what they want. I don't know whether that is how China is presented in the US (and I don't even know if you are in the US), but that's not where I'm coming from.

First of all, foreigners bring new ideas, you like it or not. China has been doing quite well thanks to many ideas imported from abroad, and it's recognised the need to adapt its system, because they can't control everything. But, I wonder how far they can go with such control, because once the scenario becomes too complex, it's virtually impossible to keep track of everything that is going on, let alone manage what is allowed and what isn't.

Did any of these words imply that communism is evil and that democracy is the last bottle of coke in the desert and that without it they're doomed? No, not at all. That just seems to be how the game is played nowadays, and I wonder whether they can keep their rules for much longer.

And, if you really want my opinion about Iraq, I don't think the American army should have even considered the invasion.

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seriously

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colonelcrisp i bust my ass for the money i make ******** Oh so you are a male prostitute? That is such hard work taking dick? Now your ass can match your mouth.

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Originally posted by shuni seriously

Yup, what a pointless thing to do. I don't know why anyone would want to have their ideas criticised and/or work on their debating skills. It's even more stupid to do that on the internet... what kind of losers do research on their arguments and practice their writing?

Pfffttt.... we all know normal people are never wrong anyway, why argue?

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Hasnt aired here yet. Im going to try and watch a lot of the olympics. Its been a long time since Ive followed them from start to finish. I wont see everything but whatever I can catch. I dont have tivo so I will miss some of the odd events that are on early in the day.

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watching now and dear god the chinese mean serious business. they took this whole "debut to the world" thing to a new level.

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Originally posted by Ygrene I once saw Swamper peel off 4 or 5 $100 bills from a fat roll and say this to Donald Trump: "Go clean yourself up; you look like a bum.". And then he threw the bills right in Trump's face/hair! Then Swamper and his entourage of 30, who were all wearing TA monogramed Rolexes, left the room and flew to Hawaii for a few hours because Del wanted fresh coconut. To his defense, Trump didn't even really look like a bum.

holy fuck, I give mad props to them...
bendable LCD touch screen?

Skeet, skeet, skeet!

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I'm checking it out. Very cool so far. Gotta hand it to those communists - they know how to get their shit together!

Ive heard this is actually a really great opening. Cant wait to see it.

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that led screen is SICK!

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Originally posted by Ygrene I once saw Swamper peel off 4 or 5 $100 bills from a fat roll and say this to Donald Trump: "Go clean yourself up; you look like a bum.". And then he threw the bills right in Trump's face/hair! Then Swamper and his entourage of 30, who were all wearing TA monogramed Rolexes, left the room and flew to Hawaii for a few hours because Del wanted fresh coconut. To his defense, Trump didn't even really look like a bum.

pretty awe inspiring imo.