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Jem_hadar
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Registered: Nov 2003
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Originally posted by Orko
That is not as much of an issue in golf as it in other sports. Since this is an individual sport, it is up to the player to create their own supporting team, and their own training. It really goes down to the family and how much support they can throw behind their kid, since most start out in ameture golf clubs and tourneys.


Exactly the way women's tennis is. You fund yourself... which is VERY costly, and hard I know. Hence you dont see prolly more athletes... (or why all of a sudden years ago you saw a whole bunch good Russian players materialize... bc years before the country made an investment in tennis programs, giving so many more young individuals an opportunity to have coaching and teaching to produce fine tennis athletes.) But thats the way it is. Or if you're really good you'll often have your country funding you bc they want you to do well so you can represent your country and bring it some recognition (eg. Andy Murry... them trying to justify and produce the money to hire on a renowned coach like Brad Gilbert for him so he can really up his game potential).

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Look at female tennis players, thy are doing just fine creating their own support structures. And some would argue that female tennis is more fun to watch, and not because they are hot.


Women's tennis is indeed doing fine, and some do argue its more fun to watch bc there's more variety (less a power game)...

But women's tennis (WTA) does poorly in all respects (attendance, viewer-ship on television, sponsors, etc) compared to the men's (ATP). The same level of interest (save for from adolescent horny teenagers) just isnt there still yet, for whatever reason. But thats hardly the game's fault. Its the general population that sorely just doent seem as interested.

I can speak personally to watching the men play this year at the Rogers Cup. Things were WAY more packed than last year when the women's were here, which I attended as well. And tickets actually sold out well in advance.

I bought my finals tickets (and it was a BIG final too w/ the no. 1 seed (and player in the world!) Justine Henin against Jelena Jokovic who was seeded 2 or 3, I think) the day before after I knew for sure that Justine was in the finals. I could have purchased any level of seating, if I recall correctly.

This year (the men), before the tournament even started you coudlnt get gold level seats for the final. And by Tues I think much or all of the silvers were sold out. Nearing Thurs and Friday, your only choices were levels 300 and maybe bronze.


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The way I see it the LPGA has a little dilemma. An international sport within US borders. Low ratings, low attendance and reduced sponsorship because American's don't care about Spanish, Korean and Sweedish Golfers. Why don't they care? Because if you look at the top 10 ranks there is 1 maybe 2 Americans, the majority are Koreans.

L1 Lorena Ochoa $2,381,048.00
2 Annika Sorenstam $1,588,937.00
3 Paula Creamer $1,475,233.00
4 Yani Tseng $1,408,502.00
5 Inbee Park $1,097,081.00
6 Helen Alfredsson $1,095,441.00
7 Seon Hwa Lee $1,055,975.00
8 Na-Yeon Choi $999,538.00
9 Cristie Kerr $882,270.00
10 Jeong Jang $874,318.00


Koreans obviously don't sell the LPGA to Amercians. So they divise a plan to make it more difficult for those Koreans. I bet their hoping they don't bother learning and there can be more Amercians at the top.

But remember folks: "Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden",

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Skipper
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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Its a negative to the LPGA....if there good golfers think they should play with the men then the LPGA will have no one to market....which means the LPGA eventually looses sponsors and then there is no league for the ladies to play in. The LPGA needs golfers like Michelle Wie...unfortunately....Michelle Wie doesn't need them.


A woman shouldn't tame down her career or her success to cater to women who aren't as talented as she is. This isn't the 1920's.

Maybe if women playing with men weren't such a big deal, more women would aspire to it, hence making themselves more competitive overall and increasing the general level of skill in the LPGA.

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MarkT
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Toronto

maybe posting the whole article FROM THE SOURCE would be helpful, to prevent people from drawing their own conclusions?

http://www.golfweek.com/story/lpga-english-news-082508

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By BETH ANN BALDRY
Senior Writer

PORTLAND, Ore. – For the past several years, the LPGA has impressed upon its membership the importance of communicating effectively in English. As the game’s dominance shifts to the East, the LPGA has strengthened its stance. Learning English no longer is a tour suggestion; it’s a requirement.

At a mandatory South Korean player meeting Aug. 20 at the Safeway Classic, the tour informed its largest international contingent that beginning in 2009, all players who have been on tour for two years must pass an oral evaluation of their English skills. Failure would result in a suspended membership.

“Hopefully what we’re talking about is something that will not happen,” said Libba Galloway, the tour’s deputy commissioner, of possible suspensions. “If it does, we wouldn’t just say, ‘Come back next year.’ What we would do is work with them on where they fell short, provide them the resources they need, the tutoring . . . and when we feel like they need to be evaluated again, we would evaluate.”

Galloway said the policy takes effect immediately, but the “measurement time will be at the end of 2009.” There are 121 international players from 26 countries on tour; 45 are South Koreans.

Hilary Lunke, president of the Player Executive Committee, said much of this initiative stems from the importance of being able to entertain pro-am partners. Players already are fined if the LPGA receives complaints from their pro-am partners. Now the tour is taking it one step further.

“The bottom line is, we don’t have a job if we don’t entertain,” Lunke said. “In my mind, that’s as big a part of the job as shooting under par.”

Korean players were informed of the rule Aug. 20 by LPGA commissioner Carolyn Bivens yet not given any written explanation. The tour told its membership several years ago to expect an English evaluation but didn’t stipulate any penalties.

Every Korean player who spoke with Golfweek here was under the impression she would lose her tour card if she failed the test rather than face suspension.

The tour aims to issue a statement to its membership by the end of the season. Players who obtain tour status at Q-School this winter will have two years to meet the English requirements.

Se Ri Pak was one of many Koreans who supported the tour’s position but favored a fine. The LPGA’s Galloway, however, said an impression must be made that communicating effectively in English is fundamental to the tour’s business.

“We agree we should speak some English,” Pak said. “We play so good overall. When you win, you should give your speech in English. . . . Mostly what comes out is nerves. Totally different language in front of camera. You’re excited and not thinking in English.”

Angela Park, a trilingual second-year player, knows that it’s difficult to “come to a foreign country and be yourself.” The Brazilian-born Korean-American said the rule is fair and will be good for the tour and its players.

“The LPGA could come out and say they only want 10 Koreans, but they’re not,” Park said. “A lot of Korean players think they are being targeted, but it’s just because there are so many of them.”

Seon-Hwa Lee, a two-time winner in 2008, thinks everyone “can do a simple interview.” She works with an English tutor in the winter and plans to brush up for the evaluation. Her ability to answer questions without the help of a translator has improved immensely during her short time on tour.

“The economy is bad, and we are losing sponsors,” she said. “Everybody understands.”

Kate Peters, executive director of the LPGA State Farm Classic, supported the news. “This is an American tour. It is important for sponsors to be able to interact with players and have a positive experience.”

The tour will rely on its communication staff to help identify players who need to be evaluated. International players who already demonstrate English proficiency will not be approached.

Betsy Clark, LPGA vice president of professional development, said the players will be evaluated by a core team on communication skills such as conversation, survival (i.e. “I’m going to the store.”) and “golfspeak.” Players must be able to conduct interviews and give acceptance speeches without the help of a translator.

LPGA members are encouraged to use the support systems already in place such as the Kolon-LPGA Cross-Cultural Professional Development Program and the Rosetta Stone online language program. In addition to helping players grasp the language, the Kolon program also helps bridge cultural differences and focuses on the LPGA’s Five Points of Celebrity: Appearance, Relevance, Approachability, Joy/Passion and Performance.

While the tour hasn’t informed its entire membership of the penalties involved with failing the English evaluation, officials have been in talks with Duramed Futures Tour players, college coaches and junior programs about the importance of communication.

“This should be a priority in their professional development just the way working on their short game is a priority,” Galloway said. “We just wanted to be clear about our expectations.”

Jeong Jang, one of the most engaging Koreans on tour, walked away from the Safeway meeting onboard with the tour.

She used to think it was necessary to speak perfect English when facing the media and was overcome with nerves. Now she realizes that’s not what sponsors, fans, or even the LPGA expects from her.

“We are fine,” Jang said. “We just need to get confidence in the camera. . . . When Cristie Kerr won (in 2005) at Michelob (Ultra Open), first thing she said to the camera was, ‘I need a beer.’

“I still remember that. Sponsors must be proud.”

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quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
A woman shouldn't tame down her career or her success to cater to women who aren't as talented as she is. This isn't the 1920's.

Maybe if women playing with men weren't such a big deal, more women would aspire to it, hence making themselves more competitive overall and increasing the general level of skill in the LPGA.


Unfortunately, at this time, she isn't good enough to play with the men....and most likely never will....I agree that any female shouldn't tame down their career...however....when it comes to sports at least be able to prove you are well above the competition before you try and jump to the next level.

If there was a level of golf greater then the PGA tour then someone like Tiger Woods should make the leap....however, he is the only PGA player that would qualify for such a leap.


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Um, the LPGA is an American organization. The USA's national language is English. What precisely is the problem?

Is anybody complaining that Nippon Professional Baseball requires its players to speak Japanese? Or that the Deutsche Eishockey Liga requires its players to speak German?

That's what I thought.


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i shot an 81 today. not bad for my 10th round of the year.

as to the topic, i think its stupid but i can understand where they are coming from. ill need more time to think about my arguments though


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It's the LPGA... who really gives a fuck what they do.

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its an association, they can do whatever they want. if it benifits them and their shareholders, they'll do it. no one wants to lose money.


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Orko
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The LPGA is caving in, and not going to suspend players for failing an English test. Just heard it on TSN.

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