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Originally posted by inconspicuous no, you need a stereo receiver. amplifiers don't have sub outputs. that being said, though, for your budget, a good pair of bookshelves & an integrated amp will sound better, though if you just want to make stuff shake, you're better off getting a HTIB (like that philips). Here's a pretty good option for the price: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...mplifiers/A-35R http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/rb-51.aspx I generally hate klipsch, but if you want a 2.0 system for around $500, they're your best bet for anything that could be considered close to full-range. at the end of the day, though, as mentioned before, a good pair of KRKs will work better than any of this nonsense. p.s. watts, frequency ranges, & pretty much any other numbers used in audio are worthless.

What are KRKs?

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Originally posted by inconspicuous p.s. watts, frequency ranges, & pretty much any other numbers used in audio are worthless.

Mostly true. One number I do pay attention to is the dBL at 1 watt at 1m at 1000 Hz. 98 dB is good, 100+ is great. This is a measure of the relative volume that you will receive from the speakers. With a high dBL rating, you have the ability to use a lower powered amp, which can save money, and, in my experience, sounds better.

Ok, so I decided to go with 2 speakers, won't be buying a subwoofer because that would cost me too much in total.

I figured something out now... The stronger the speakers, the stronger the amp has to be (d'oh).
However, the price goes up with the power, drastically, and I didn't know amps were that expensive, so here's the new question:

Which pays off more?

Combination of these:

Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 100W
Denon PMA-700AE 2x100W
(Total: $760)

Or these:

Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 100W
Denon PMA-500 2x70W
(Total: $590)

Or simply this:

Logitech Z-5500 Digital
(Total: $540)

Last edited by Gauss on Sep-02-2008 at 15:39

how much are those two denon amps? they only make the 2000 now and your site isn't loading for me.

PMA-700AE is 2330 kn ($480) and PMA-500 is 1500 kn ($310).

Just a note... I probably wouldn't be using Z-5500 for surround in movies and games, but they have a pretty good subwoofer, included amp, 505W RMS and big frequency range, all for a very good price (compared to buying components separately). Even Logitech X-210 (worth $50) I have now sounds very good for music, can't imagine what would Z-5500 sound like...

Last edited by Gauss on Sep-02-2008 at 15:59

go with whichever of the two Denon amps you are willing to pay for, but swap the speakers for a pair of Epos ELS-3 bookshelves, instead. May as well get some 4-ohm speakers on an amp that can handle it if you're looking for value.

lol.

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Originally posted by dark_Omens Mostly true. One number I do pay attention to is the dBL at 1 watt at 1m at 1000 Hz. 98 dB is good, 100+ is great. This is a measure of the relative volume that you will receive from the speakers. With a high dBL rating, you have the ability to use a lower powered amp, which can save money, and, in my experience, sounds better.

hence why I said 'pretty much.' that is one of the only things that manufacturers can't manipulate & skew to the point of utter uselessness (like 1000w HTIBs & subwoofers).

even with efficiency, though, it's great if the speaker sounds good. Klipsch makes ridiculously efficient speakers, but they sound like cramming shards of glass into your eardrums imo.

also, those ratings should give you an idea of how full of shit most power ratings are, because if speakers actually played at 100w, you would go deaf instantly. 130db is a plane taking off, and you can get there with 4-5w (rated properly) on most speakers iirc.

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Originally posted by Gauss What are KRKs?

http://www.krksys.com/prodland_vxt.php

a lot of folks on here swear by them.

just buy some CLXs & be done with it.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous yuck. Fuck KRKS!!!!!

ok, ok calm down

why do think the KRK's are "yuck" ?

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