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Originally posted by Krypton What's progress in Iraq? An Islamic state?

no that would be your idea of progress...lol. j/k man

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Originally posted by The17sss no that would be your idea of progress...lol. j/k man

lol, well, that's where its headed. There is no such thing as democracy in Iraq.

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Sorry for the delay to reply, been busy lately.

First thing is first... I love how the far left bitches about an article by the NY post. But hey it is acceptable for them to post the propaganda machine Daily Kos (the one that called Patreus a betrayer) and MSNBC ( the one that made the RNC convention into a Bush bashing festival) The hypocrisy of my fellow members shows in this forum.

Opus,

It is unneceptable for you to come to every thread that I start and try to ignite a confrontation. You say that I called you out to debate you? To be honest with you, with all due respect, but you dont have the intellectual capacity, intellectual maturity and the honor to engage in a serious debate with me. I think that my gold fish would be more competetive than you in a debate. The last time I recall I closed a thread because of your vulgarity and your intentions to start a negative confrontation.


Lets keep this thread positive. Cheers!

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Sorry for the delay to reply, been busy lately. First thing is first... I love how the far left bitches about an article by the NY post. But hey it is acceptable for them to post the propaganda machine Daily Kos (the one that called Patreus a betrayer) and MSNBC ( the one that made the RNC convention into a Bush bashing festival) The hypocrisy of my fellow members shows in this forum. Opus, It is unneceptable for you to come to every thread that I start and try to ignite a confrontation. You say that I called you out to debate you? To be honest with you, with all due respect, but you dont have the intellectual capacity, intellectual maturity and the honor to engage in a serious debate with me. I think that my gold fish would be more competetive than you in a debate. The last time I recall I closed a thread because of your vulgarity and your intentions to start a negative confrontation. Lets keep this thread positive. Cheers!

Wow...Opus countered your points and destroyed your main argument...citing plenty of sources and articles, and your response is to IGNORE IT ALL and try to make this a discussion about him. Pathetic.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Wow...Opus countered your points and destroyed your main argument...citing plenty of sources and articles, and your response is to IGNORE IT ALL and try to make this a discussion about him. Pathetic.

yes! cherry picking context to advance his distorted views is destroying facts

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Sorry for the delay to reply, been busy lately. First thing is first... I love how the far left bitches about an article by the NY post. But hey it is acceptable for them to post the propaganda machine Daily Kos (the one that called Patreus a betrayer) and MSNBC ( the one that made the RNC convention into a Bush bashing festival) The hypocrisy of my fellow members shows in this forum. Opus, It is unneceptable for you to come to every thread that I start and try to ignite a confrontation. You say that I called you out to debate you? To be honest with you, with all due respect, but you dont have the intellectual capacity, intellectual maturity and the honor to engage in a serious debate with me. I think that my gold fish would be more competetive than you in a debate. The last time I recall I closed a thread because of your vulgarity and your intentions to start a negative confrontation. Lets keep this thread positive. Cheers!

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem as abusive, sexist, racist, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or attacking the person who proposed the argument (personal attack) in an attempt to discredit the argument. It is also used when an opponent is unable to find fault with an argument, yet for various reasons, the opponent disagrees with it.

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Originally posted by Lira #2 No Argumenta Ad Hominem: Hopefully, this is just temporary, but let's try to avoid any name-calling and/or personal attacks. We're here to discuss about politics, not to show how many insults we know in a determined language. At the slightest provocation, the necessary measures will be taken to solve the problem.

LL has lost the argument.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Sorry for the delay to reply, been busy lately. First thing is first... I love how the far left bitches about an article by the NY post.

When it's been aptly demonstrated that the author of an op-ed by that paper is a known serial liar and is deliberately distorting what actually occurred, that's not "bitching". That's pointing out the absurdity of the article and author together.

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But hey it is acceptable for them to post the propaganda machine Daily Kos (the one that called Patreus a betrayer) and MSNBC ( the one that made the RNC convention into a Bush bashing festival) The hypocrisy of my fellow members shows in this forum.

You're welcome to point out where I've posted a DKos editorial, especially one to which I've specifically cited it as an opinion piece to be taken specifically as an opinion piece.

As for MSNBC, again I want you to point out a piece by them that wasn't cited as an opinion piece by Olbermann or otherwise. And if it wasn't an opinion piece, I want you to specifically refute that said article by MSNBC with sources to back you up.

Somehow, I doubt you will and once again cower away.

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Opus, It is unneceptable for you to come to every thread that I start and try to ignite a confrontation.

You don't write the rules here, champ. When you post a thread here, anyone can reply, including me. And I have made specific refutations to the op-ed you posted, which goes beyond your trite "confrontation" charge. So refute my specific points or cowar away like you always do.

Or close this thread, which cowards like you like to do as well.

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You say that I called you out to debate you? To be honest with you, with all due respect,

None given.

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but you dont have the intellectual capacity, intellectual maturity and the honor to engage in a serious debate with me.

Please. You've been saying this ever since you've slimed this place with your presence.

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I think that my gold fish would be more competetive than you in a debate.

I'm thinking your goldfish would have better responses to my specific questions and refutations posed to you than you seem to have.

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The last time I recall I closed a thread because of your vulgarity and your intentions to start a negative confrontation. Lets keep this thread positive. Cheers!

If that's your criterion to keeping a thread open, then I accept. I'll go back and delete all vulgar words out of my original post if you like. Then I would expect an answer from you on those specific points I made. If you end up closing this thread anyway, not only will you look like a coward, but then you'll be a liar too.

Now, will you please, just for once in your life, address any specific points I made to you and your op-ed piece?

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

Edited original post per threat from Latinlover to close down a thread based on profane words used.

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

Opus,

You seem not to get the point. The fact you come out with your vulgar language is only one condition I have set for you. Also, as I mentioned to you... your repetitiveness of trying to start a negative confrontation. For example, your name calling like "coward" not only you like to live your insecurities through me, but this non sense of yours must stop. Ill be gladly to debate you if you conduct yourself in a mature way. But it seems everytime you respond to me, you continue this non sense of name calling.

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Opus, You seem not to get the point. The fact you come out with your vulgar language is only one condition I have set for you. Also, as I mentioned to you... your repetitiveness of trying to start a negative confrontation. For example, your name calling like "coward" not only you like to live your insecurities through me, but this non sense of yours must stop. Ill be gladly to debate you if you conduct yourself in a mature way. But it seems everytime you respond to me, you continue this non sense of name calling.

Wow, addressing the person instead of the argument. You've already lost this debate...

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Latin, you got Pwned hard. Be a man and admit it. Opus demolished your argument as he always does. I don't see why you keep posting here. It's embarrassing to watch. If you want to redeem yourself, please respond directly to the counter points Opus made on the first page.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 If that's your criterion to keeping a thread open, then I accept. I'll go back and delete all vulgar words out of my original post if you like. Then I would expect an answer from you on those specific points I made. If you end up closing this thread anyway, not only will you look like a coward, but then you'll be a liar too. Now, will you please, just for once in your life, address any specific points I made to you and your op-ed piece?

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Originally posted by LatinLover Opus, You seem not to get the point. The fact you come out with your vulgar language is only one condition I have set for you.

Condition met. Gee, can't imagine there's another one from you....

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Also, as I mentioned to you... your repetitiveness of trying to start a negative confrontation.

Asking you to specifically address any of the counterpoints I made towards you and your author's arguments is a "negative confrontation"?

How about you stop hiding from your pettiness and start addressing the arguments posed directly to you?

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For example, your name calling like "coward" not only you like to live your insecurities through me, but this non sense of yours must stop.

Let's recap:

1. I have specifically addressed arguments in various threads either started by you or otherwise.

-->You have failed time and again to counter those arguments, citing numerous rationales like my vulgarity, my lack of intelligence, your superior intellect, etc. etc.

-->This behavior along with your specific ad hominem attacks towards me has gotten you suspended twice here at PDD.

4. You specifically called me out for a debate provided I cease from foul language.
--> I've accepted your terms and have asked repeatedly to start a thread to debate me specifically with a topic of your choosing.
-->You have failed to address those requests time and again until now, to which you once again cited my language.
-->Not knowing that it was my language used at all times rather than just that specific debating thread you have yet to start up, I accepted such terms and immediately cleaned up my earlier post and edited the language accordingly to suit your needs.

5. And now you've attached yet another caveat in regards to a "negative confrontation."
-->Putting your continual moving the goalposts aside for a moment, this term is about as subjective as can possibly be, and can in no way be made into an objective manner that can be agreed upon by all parties involved. What you term "negative" can be another individual's "neutral". Therefore, this criterion cannot be met in any objective manner, and I would suggest you be a bit more specific with your terms here.

In other words, can you define "negative confrontation" a bit better so I can somehow try to avoid that with our future debates?

Otherwise, everything stated in those 5 points above depicts the word "coward" quite well. I honestly don't know how one could define the term any better.

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Ill be gladly to debate you if you conduct yourself in a mature way. But it seems everytime you respond to me, you continue this non sense of name calling.

Term accepted. I will no longer call you a "coward," unless you once again demonstrate and define that term with your actions by failure to address my specific points to you or by failure to start a thread to debate me on a topic of your choosing.

Agreed?

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...