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Originally posted by DigiNut being a sanctimonious, obstreperous, puerile, irritating prick incessantly weighing in with predictions of a global cataclysm

i had to google every single word in this sentence

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Originally posted by DigiNut I think I was supposed to feel some sort of inner pain over that "you don't care about the environment" thing. Wait, let me look for it... deep down... deeper... wait, wait! I found it! I found that deep-seated pain and sympathy and general angst over mother nature and all her wonderful creatures and all of the damage we... oh never mind, it was just gas. In point of fact, I actually agree with environmentalists on many issues. I just don't agree with enviro-socialists. The former group is interested in what we as individuals can do to conserve wildlife and plant life, because they are useful to us, whereas the latter group is primarily interested in identifying speculative but dangerous-sounding threats based on the flimsiest of evidence and blaming them all on the commercial and industrial sectors. You want to talk about parks, wetlands, tree farms, energy management and conservation (the sector in which I actually work - you know, real work), hunting restrictions, Drive Clean programs and air quality issues, water treatment, or cleaner lakes, you drop me a line, we'll chat. If, on the other hand, what's on your mind is global warming, resource crashes, biodiversity crises, rainforest destruction, shrinking landfill space, pizza in the trash can, carbon dioxide emissions, and initiatives to ban plastic cups, then please, just put a lid on it because we all know where that conversation is going. Can people see the difference here? Because there definitely is a difference between being environmentally conscious - wanting to conserve our natural resources and reduce waste - and being a sanctimonious, obstreperous, puerile, irritating prick incessantly weighing in with predictions of a global cataclysm and telling people to mend their ways NOW or else we're all going to die. That's exactly the same shit I hear from religious fundamentalists, it's just a different God.

lol

Thank you for posting this documentary Magnetonium,I really enjoyed watching it. I thought it was very well done and informative and shocking at the same time.

Dont let Digi get into you and dont let him stop you from posting here once in a while. See ya in the political room.

cheers

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I am not sending personal attacks or insults here. I didnt make fun of anyone's mother, but just straight up response to posts following mine.

Digi, I dont need your bull, because I WORK as part of my college program (co-op term) at my local waste management department. I can tell you straight up that people dont care. Some do, quite a bit dont. Apartment buildings - people dont give a shit. Yet landfills are ONE OF THE MAIN sources of methane gas emissions. Hello, climate change, global warming, etc???

Water treatment - relative department, they are doing their job, there's no point of talking about it. Unless you want to get into specifics of water treatment, processes, new and innovative technologies, etc. etc. etc.

Look, I am not an enviro-extremist, not a tree hugger and not an elitist. I just posted a fucking thread and I got a lot of rude and ignorant response. Best thing to post would be - wow, that was interesting. But apart from couple people - thanks, guys - mostly it has been just plain elitist response, like you guys are much better and dont care type of thing.

The lady in the video wasnt making fun of you or telling that you're an idiot - she just gave a plain and simple overview of the problem and gave some suggestions, thats all. She even said she had an Ipod. So whipty friggin do.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium She even said she had an Ipod. So whipty friggin do.

Sorry, maybe I'm missing something, but what does having an I pod have anything to do with anything? I missing something aren't I?

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Originally posted by DigiNut In point of fact, I actually agree with environmentalists on many issues. I just don't agree with enviro-socialists. The former group is interested in what we as individuals can do to conserve wildlife and plant life, because they are useful to us, whereas the latter group is primarily interested in identifying speculative but dangerous-sounding threats based on the flimsiest of evidence and blaming them all on the commercial and industrial sectors. You want to talk about parks, wetlands, tree farms, energy management and conservation (the sector in which I actually work - you know, real work), hunting restrictions, Drive Clean programs and air quality issues, water treatment, or cleaner lakes, you drop me a line, we'll chat. If, on the other hand, what's on your mind is global warming, resource crashes, biodiversity crises, rainforest destruction, shrinking landfill space, pizza in the trash can, carbon dioxide emissions, and initiatives to ban plastic cups, then please, just put a lid on it because we all know where that conversation is going. Can people see the difference here? Because there definitely is a difference between being environmentally conscious - wanting to conserve our natural resources and reduce waste - and being a sanctimonious, obstreperous, puerile, irritating prick incessantly weighing in with predictions of a global cataclysm and telling people to mend their ways NOW or else we're all going to die. That's exactly the same shit I hear from religious fundamentalists, it's just a different God.

I've never agreed more with your point of view ever!

Dead on.

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Originally posted by lopi Sorry, maybe I'm missing something, but what does having an I pod have anything to do with anything? I missing something aren't I?

I was hoping you watched the video. But, nevertheless, the video is about consumerism. And Ipods are one of the biggest consumer items right now. Hot product. Used to be cassette players, then CD players, then Ipods, then who knows what, you know, throw-away culture type of thing. I really hope you watch the video and understand the concept. It might actually save you money, too. We dont always think about consumerism, and that video kinda opens your eyes to it. I never thought about it either until I saw the video a year ago.

These old things you throw away are hard on recycling and waste programs in general. Batteries leak and can pollute the environment. I've been to our landfill many times and seen them. Seen it all. I can even upp some pictures of our recycling plant - I go there almsot every day.

Too many unrecyclables and waste out there. And recycling isnt rocket science - but the program is not at fault. Its companies who make too much stuff using too much packaging, its made to break or to be thrown away within the next few months or years. Thats the design. And we are unaware and buy into it. We, not just you, but me and others, we all buy too much useless stuff and throw it away quickly. Many of us waste too much food (by either buying too much food or using it inefficiently), while people around the world starve to death. And I am not pointing fingers at anyone here. Just a thought. OK?

Look, London (Ontario) has banned water bottles already in some areas. Some people understand the problem, but thats not the solution. Ask your grandparents who were born here, other seniors - ask them 30-40-50 years ago - did they have as much waste then as we do today, this much packaging in stuff you buy, this many containers, plastics and garbage? NO! For crying out loud, people had composters back then. Now its rare to see one.

Pop cans back then? Not made of aluminum or plastic, but mostly glass was the norm of the day. The INDUSTRY convinced you people to accept the cans and plastics so that they can make better money and force us taxpayers to deal with trash, with waste, with recycling, and so on. WE and OUR CHILDREN will be paying for all this.


This is all part of a big picture. We need to reflect on the issues and make the right choices for our future and our children's future.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yet landfills are ONE OF THE MAIN sources of methane gas emissions.

Emissions which are used today for energy. Reuse - that's the first R!

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Water treatment - relative department, they are doing their job, there's no point of talking about it. Unless you want to get into specifics of water treatment, processes, new and innovative technologies, etc. etc. etc.

So you admit that you're not interested in environmental issues unless they're a problem. That's pretty narrow-minded; capitalists don't look only at the dangers to business, so why would a real environmentalist look only at dangers to the environment?

And there's always new research into this area and new technologies on the horizon. Couple of years ago a relative of our then-CEO had come up with a purification process using used pickle brine that would actually put out more energy than it consumed. Still hasn't quite made it to the manufacturing stage - these things take time and cost money.

The real environmentalists are the ones in business and in research and development, coming up with new ways to get more from less and reclaim spent resources. That's environmentalism through and through - conservation, waste reduction, and reuse.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Batteries leak and can pollute the environment.

That's why landfills are engineered to protect the ground below. It's impossible for battery acid to get into soil or groundwater.

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And recycling isnt rocket science

Damn right it isn't. In general it's not science at all - the only material that's actually economically sound to recycle is aluminum. Everything else costs more money and consumes more energy to recycle than it does to dispose and make more of.


Oh, and I'm with you on the water bottles - we pay for high-quality tap water through our taxes, and there is absolutely no reason to waste ridiculous amounts of money on the bottled shit.

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Pop cans back then? Not made of aluminum or plastic, but mostly glass was the norm of the day. The INDUSTRY convinced you people to accept the cans and plastics so that they can make better money and force us taxpayers to deal with trash, with waste, with recycling, and so on. WE and OUR CHILDREN will be paying for all this.

If you want to get technical, we and our children will be paying a lot less for this than our ancestors did.

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We need to reflect on the issues and make the right choices for our future and our children's future.

And you, presumably, know what all of those "right choices" are, yes? The rest of us are just ignorant.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I was hoping you watched the video.

I saw that video long before you had posted it, in fact I was waiting for the usual "old post" reply by one of our search button savvy forum nazi's, followed by a link where where it was previously posted. I also watched it again this time around.

I should have phrased what I said differently. I guess I didn't understand why you made a point of stating that she said she also owns an ipod. Doesn't really back any of your arguments. I just found it to be a pretty redundant statement.

Anyways, I get where you're coming from but I'm totally with digi on this one.

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Originally posted by geroin the whole episode is fucking awesome

Haha yes, I loved that one!

My favourite was still the bottled water though.

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