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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yeah, i don't buy that for a second. with the state gone and with it its monopoly on violence, the private sphere will go to extreme lengths to protect their investments and capital. the book 'snow crash' which is one of the first cyberpunk novels detailed how sections of the city were divided into self-ruling enclaves, called things like coca-cola or IBM or Walmart etc. that's what i see as the logical outcome of a state with no government.

With the absence of the state, hopefully people will have the balls to respond to violence with violence. Revolutions are bloody, you already know that.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Where the fuck is Caesar when you need him?

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yeah, i don't buy that for a second. with the state gone and with it its monopoly on violence, the private sphere will go to extreme lengths to protect their investments and capital. the book 'snow crash' which is one of the first cyberpunk novels detailed how sections of the city were divided into self-ruling enclaves, called things like coca-cola or IBM or Walmart etc. that's what i see as the logical outcome of a state with no government.

Don't forget how private interests use the state to achieve their ends, with out which there would be no corporations.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z With the absence of the state, hopefully people will have the balls to respond to violence with violence. Revolutions are bloody, you already know that.

so youre saying that people have a right to murder and to steal what is not theirs? and we trust every individual to make an ethical judgement about which murders and thieveries are justified and which ones are not? all a revolution will do is shift the power and there's little to no chance that power will ever be shared across the community. might makes right, one of the infallible theories of history imo.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Don't forget how private interests use the state to achieve their ends, with out which there would be no corporations.

very true, but they manipulate governments because they are forced to. if there were no governments they could just do as they liked.

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