That's bullshit that you need to mix harmonically unless you're playing minimal.

The reason some of the DJ's listed (apart from the fact they are paid to endorse products in one way or another), is that they have to play a lot of tracks and can't be bothered/have time to properly learn them so they (or should I say they get their assistants to) use programs like mixed in key so they don't have to worry about a melodic clang.

Perfect example is armin - he plays just about every trance track released in a given week on ASOT, so no wonder he wants to avoid clashing melodies. It takes the guesswork out of it but does the average DJ really have a radio show where they have to play probably 80+ new tracks a week? No. Most Dj's have a crate of tunes, they learn and experiment and as time goes on, things go in and out of that current crate.

I've never used mixed in key (or similar) in the 10 years+ I've been Djing - I just find learning your tracks, using your instincts, trusting you natural musical intuition and experimenting is the best way to go. I would probably use MiK if I had to (see reasons above) and I think this is a very useful tool for those who want to play it safe (mobile DJ's etc) but personally I find it sucks the life and fun out of Dj'ing.

I'm not sure that's a valid quote (or at least it's context) from Armin anyway - I seriously doubt it repulses him that other DJ's do not mix in key but I think he way very well have distain for other DJ's who don't give a fuck about the music, and concentrate on money, women(or boys), drugs, press, connections or all of the above.

But then again that goes for the whole entertainment industry anyway.

Sorry went off topic, but to sum: would be useful if I didn't have time to practise mixing and especially if I had money to to pay for someone else to find the key for me.

i agree.

if you know what you are playing and how to work the eq properly, you can mix a lot that is not in key and make it sound good.

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I think having your tracks keyed is a useful tool, but should not be canon. (Just because you have your tracks keyed doesn't mean you have to always limit yourself to what the circle of fifths tells you.)

I've found that I can generally pick songs that work well together without messing around with keys. Plus, even if I did key all my tracks I'd be too lazy to compensate for the changes in pitch from beatmatching.

Just listening a bit while queuing the next track can tell me pretty damn quick if the songs are going to clash.

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Originally posted by Sadface Even if I did key all my tracks I'd be too lazy to compensate for the changes in pitch from beatmatching.

You can mix harmonically and beatmatch without compensating for pitch changes. Just enable the "Master Tempo" function. It's available on Traktor, Ableton Live, CD-JS and pretty much all other DJ software and hardware.

When "Master Tempo" is enabled, A Minor pitched up 3% will be the same as A Minor at 0%.

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Originally posted by nennon You can mix harmonically and beatmatch without compensating for pitch changes. Just enable the "Master Tempo" function. It's available on Traktor, Ableton Live, CD-JS and pretty much all other DJ software and hardware. When "Master Tempo" is enabled, A Minor pitched up 3% will be the same as A Minor at 0%.

problem with master tempo is that it makes some tunes sound really off, and sometimes will screw up your beatmatching

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by Yohan problem with master tempo is that it makes some tunes sound really off, and sometimes will screw up your beatmatching

I think it's OK if you're changing pitch by 2% or less. If you beatmatch 126 with 128, Master Tempo sounds fine.

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Originally posted by nennon I think it's OK if you're changing pitch by 2% or less. If you beatmatch 126 with 128, Master Tempo sounds fine.

I wouldn't go past +/-3 as a rule, except on certain tunes.

never use this function anyways

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

no demo version?

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Originally posted by skip no demo version?

Right. For the last two years, we have only released full versions. I think that demos aren't necessary for a product that costs $58. It's a worthy investment since it costs less than most DJ headphones.

For those who want a freebie version, check out the competitor: [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

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Originally posted by nennon Right. For the last two years, we have only released full versions. I think that demos aren't necessary for a product that costs $58. It's a worthy investment since it costs less than most DJ headphones. For those who want a freebie version, check out the competitor: [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

the competitor is unstable and not very user friendly. that's why i'd like to see if you could offer something better, but i won't buy a pig in a poke…

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If we ever create a demo version, it would be at least 6 months from now. We have so many ideas that we're focusing on full versions only.

Since I am the lead Windows developer, I love working on this. Creating products for Mixed In Key is the best job I've ever had. Now, if only I could get back into DJing more, life would be even better