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Originally posted by romz lol..... u idiots who think that obama supports the poor/middle class and mccain is for the rich/businesses are dead WRONG. Don't you know that when the big boys get taxed or fees passed on them... where do you think they pass it on????? YOU, the little guy! Higher prices of products, high fees on different things such as lending,etc... but what the fuck, the average person votes on how good a candidate looks anyway, they dont even know what the candidates stand for aka 'ignent' people

you must have really thought this out.

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Originally posted by Seppuku you must have really thought this out.

lol

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar Also, any candidate that will not even respect the morals this country was founded on wins no respect from me.

what does this mean? legitimately curious here, not trying to be a douche.

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar Both candidates are guilty of false advertising, so I'm not going to call someone ignorant for reading a website that states one or the other is going to lower or raise taxes. However, I feel the democratic party is doing a much better job at misleading the general "ignorant" public into false claims. I'm a McCain supporter. I believe he is correct in stating that he has no intentions of raising anyone's taxes. I'm also dead against the concept of adding more taxes onto our businesses. The US unemployment rate is at a record high, and that's all we need is for Obama to tax the snot out of the businesses we have left, so they can lay off more people, or better yet, outsource thousands of more jobs to other countries. Yeah, it seems like a great idea to tax in excess of 30% for these business, but what does he plan to push it toward? 40- 50%? That's insane! Heck, if I were operating a company and knew I could base it in India, and hire people in India, and profit 50 times more than I could here, I would too! So in essence, Obama's great plan will be the final plummet of this economy. Then we'll have to be taxed even MORE to pay for all these people collecting unemployment benefits because their bosses and CEO's realize it's not beneficial to hire someone here. Taking that into consideration, any statement that the tax increase will effect 1% of the population is a flat out lie. It's eventually and inevitably hurt us all. Also, any candidate that will not even respect the morals this country was founded on wins no respect from me.

I remain unconvinced that supply-side economics is the way to go. The evidence that supple-side tax cuts help economic growth is unconvincing and weak at best.

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Originally posted by Seppuku you must have really thought this out.

we have a smart one here folks!

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Originally posted by iammesol Which morals are you talking about? The man has been quoting to constitution more than anyone I've ever seen in my life.

Do you know what morals are dude? They don't always have to do with the constitution. Not trying to question your values, but not sure why this is so hard to comprehend. I can't speak for what she may be referring to, but I personally respect the values this country was founded on. Obama would rather everyone just do whatever they feel like including having unhindered abortions.

And Sam, what I was saying is that Obama gives all this talk of change and yeah, he has ideas, but why people are buying into them is beyond me. mostly what he does is say how bad Bush is and how he will give us hope. He's playing off the fact that a lot of people want change.

At least there is a couple sane people on this forum.

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Originally posted by nchs09 No, its not.... so i wont.

I'm sure you know how everyone is going to vote. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that. You are a jackass.

Oh my god, I love the South.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous I remain unconvinced that supply-side economics is the way to go. The evidence that supple-side tax cuts help economic growth is unconvincing and weak at best.

+1. Furthermore, if the recent events in the global market have taught us anything, it's that the we need to shift from an neoclassical view of the economy to an institutional view.

...I'll pause while you run those terms through wikipedia... (half serious, half being an ass on this one.)

We need to realize that we can no longer operate as an isolationist supply/demand economy but, rather, as a leading player on a global stage.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 Do you know what morals are dude? They don't always have to do with the constitution. Not trying to question your values, but not sure why this is so hard to comprehend. I can't speak for what she may be referring to, but I personally respect the values this country was founded on. Obama would rather everyone just do whatever they feel like including having unhindered abortions. And Sam, what I was saying is that Obama gives all this talk of change and yeah, he has ideas, but why people are buying into them is beyond me. mostly what he does is say how bad Bush is and how he will give us hope. He's playing off the fact that a lot of people want change. At least there is a couple sane people on this forum.

You still haven't pointed out what you were referring to. Give me the facts that you founded your opinion on, Zack.

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Originally posted by iammesol You still haven't pointed out what you were referring to. Give me the facts that you founded your opinion on, Zack.

I did point it out. I've seen so many people supporting Obama not because he has these great ideas, but because they believe he's offering some kind of change. So, when I said his ideas have no substance, I was referring to the fact that he's just saying what he thinks people want to hear. Of course everyone in the Middle class would love to not have to pay taxes. Heck, maybe even throw them some money you've taken from the rich folks. People just seem to be blinded to the fact that Obama is possibly the worst candidate to ever run for President. He is the most liberal member of congress, his experience is minimal at best, he has some very shady friends, and the list goes on. It just seems like people are ignoring the facts just because they didn't like Bush and want a fresh new face. It seems everyday I see someone with Obama's face printed on their shirt. Since when was it cool to have a Presidential candidate's face on your shirt? I guess since all you had to do to run for president was be cool. I just have seen a lot of ignorance and selfishness as of late and I am tired of it.

You know who annoys me? Single issue voters. People who vote for a candidate because of their abortion stance or their race or their tax policy. These people see the world as black and white when it is clearly gray.

I'm a fiscally conservative, social liberal. There's no party for me because we have a very stupid two party system. If I have to decide between fiscal responsibility or social reform, I choose social reform. Despite living in a capitalistic society, a person's well-being is more important to me than money.

This country was founded on life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. In my opinion, in order for a person to do all three things, they need universal healthcare, minimum laws, and equal privileges: quality, inexpensive education, protection from harm, food, and again, healthcare.

That's why I'm voting Obama.