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Originally posted by jsibilin I just hate it when people are being served faster in the drive-thru line then in the walk-in lineup. In oakville the Timmies headquarters has a self-serve which is cool but I still think idling your car creates too much pollution (also bad for your car).

Explain to me please how idling for 5 minutes is bad for your car (if even five minutes)?

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Originally posted by The Ear Or, they could run a public education campaign (they actually work from time to time if they're done right) to coach people on an alternative that just kinda makes sense: Take the lid off the cup before you throw it out This just makes sense to me given that they are separate materials, & it's something I've been doing for at least the last couple years that I can remember. Scary thought that there may be a simpler (& cheaper) resolution to this problem than a legislative one. Perhaps then we could turn the tax dollars being wasted on a debate like this towards more important issues.

I agree. It's interesting how effective those things are. Yesterday I saw the sign about "if you don't have a kleenex, do a sleeve sneeze" - and today I sneezed and it was the first thing I thought of, despite not really giving it a second thought when I first saw the sign.

Advertising, however, is expensive.

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Originally posted by Yohan *patiently waiting for jayx1*

exactly what I was going to say.

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sign about "if you don't have a kleenex, do a sleeve sneeze"

wait some govt agency is spending money for stuff like these

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Originally posted by Dave Akermanis Yeah man. You should become an overpaid consultant like me and work for various forms of government. They pay you for stuff like that!

Well hook a brother up! lol

I seem to be in the (vast) minority, but heavy-handed environmental laws are the only way to go.

From a manufacturing perspective, the only reason to change is to reduce the bottom line. Reduce costs, improve product/service (thus increasing sales - same thing).

Similar to California, Toronto should position itself as a leader in innovation. The result of this type of legislation is that standard packaging throughout the country will change because manufacturers are forced to adjust their products and processes in their largest market. Look at Europe's packaging laws, for example.

Naturally, the government can take a good idea and shit on it. At this point, that remains to be seen as far as packaging requirements. The LCBO's extermination of plastic bags, however, is one such example. The only reason they're fucking it up is because they haven't provided sensible alternative (reinforced paper bags which are most certainly already available).

Retailers and manufacturers will adapt to the laws, and Torontonians/Canadians will be better off for it.

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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers I seem to be in the (vast) minority, but heavy-handed environmental laws are the only way to go. From a manufacturing perspective, the only reason to change is to reduce the bottom line. Reduce costs, improve product/service (thus increasing sales - same thing). Similar to California, Toronto should position itself as a leader in innovation. The result of this type of legislation is that standard packaging throughout the country will change because manufacturers are forced to adjust their products and processes in their largest market. Look at Europe's packaging laws, for example. Naturally, the government can take a good idea and shit on it. At this point, that remains to be seen as far as packaging requirements. The LCBO's extermination of plastic bags, however, is one such example. The only reason they're fucking it up is because they haven't provided sensible alternative (reinforced paper bags which are most certainly already available). Retailers and manufacturers will adapt to the laws, and Torontonians/Canadians will be better off for it.

This is easily the most coherent thing I've ever seen you post on here. lol.

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Why does everything have to result in someone suing someone. It wasn't long ago that McDonalds went from styrofoam Big Mac containers to wrapping them in paper. I didn't think it was such a big deal.
As consumers we should really question these companies that are making millions of money. Why do the prices go up no matter what the change is. As someone in this forum said, we can easily change from plastic lids to something more environmentally friendly without adding all the extra costs. As an engineer I have seen something similar done in other industries.
It really pisses me off how things are getting more and more expensive. And I dont really blame the city any more, as the reason we are doing all this work is to save the city money by reducing the amount of people making $20+ an hour to separate all this stuff. And don't forget land pricing. Someone has to pay for all this space we may be using to dump our garbage.
Now on the other hand, I'm sure other municipalities outside of Toronto may be getting away by not having to pay these extra "taxes" on their stuff, but its just a matter of time before they also feel the hit.
And to put things into some perspective, people in China don't really recycle. They have other people making $100 per month or less doing this by going through the garbage. Do you think this can happen in Canada? Many people in India are affected by various deseases because their water is so polluted with human waste and garbage. Do we want this here too? People in Thailand use more plastic bags than probably anywhere in the world. But their waterways are polluted and people do make an average of $300 per month (less outside of Bangkok). And they can afford labour to go around cleaning the upscale neighbourhoods so that none of this is seen. Do we want that here too?
So as much as I hate paying all these extra expenses, I realize why I have to do it. Its because of all the people that do not care and do not recycle on their own. If you think the price of coffee may be expensive now that they have to use different cups, then make your own, or stop buying coffee.
Or we should force the government to look into alternative dumping options such as building a railroad way up north into the tundra to dump our trash. Lots of unused space out there, and potential employment for someone that lives way out there. And as a plus, all these animals that are out there will have an alternative food supply.

Last edited by SpeedJat on Nov-06-2008 at 08:08

I have a better idea, don't get addicted to fucking caffeine.

yeah this thread went downhill...

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