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Originally posted by elFreak funny thing about your theory, kraftwerk and company came waaaaaaaaaaaay before disco

Did they change after disco?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Stockhausen

to say all electronic music comes from disco is false no matter what you say.

were certain influences from disco prevalent in certain styles yes....but that statement is wrong wrong wrong.

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right on! for electronic music historically we can go waay back, even before stockhausen. let's say john cage maybe ... edgard varese a little bit too.

I'm not really arguing that the techniques for production or the sounds come from disco, obviously. But genres are defined by grooves, not techniques so much.

edit: I never said "electronic music comes from disco," but I will argue that it is the root of 4-on-the-floor EDM, period.

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Originally posted by elFreak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Stockhausen

rip

the first electronic 'pop' music though i think you could say is dub


and i think you actually could argue that all electronic music came from dub

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Originally posted by nefardec you actually could argue that all electronic dance music focusing on breaks came from dub

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Originally posted by mehta what differentiates trance is that it takes from everything and doesn't give a shit about defining itself.

Yes, what?

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Originally posted by mehta depending on what fucked up definition of progressive you have, it fits into other categories of edm easily

Well obviously its generally a subgenre, however its certainly a significantly different development worth mentioning with its own style and stuff.

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Originally posted by mehta psy is a sub-genre of trance & it emerged at the same time (early 90s) - don't believe me, look up pioneers of the warped groove goa? look above - only a psy/goa freak like you thinks it is a completely separate deal

Maybe goa isn't significantly different, but it's a fair bit different from mid-late 90s trance, and a step further psy is no more like post 2001 trance then it is like house. Psy is a lot different from mainstream trance. May as well say disco is exactly the same as house.

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dub techno?

not quite breaks.

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Obviously the exact history and root of all this shit is complex & different artists would make different claims.

Elfreak - dub in the techno/house sense refers to a kind of bassline. Then again, I could be wrong -- I'm just another amateur dj/producer kid who is studying in a fairly isolated way.

In the future maybe some organization will teach all of this and standardize the terminology so that people aren't constantly arguing about nothing and confusing eachother.

My original point that trance is a very recent genre and hasn't had time to stabilize rests. There are loads of producers. People who are worried about the direction mainstream/big room is going should check out minimal trance. Of course, it's basically grouped in with minimal techno.

Blah blah blah

keep it coming



(But at least this thread has some useful discussion now instead of being another dead end complaint)

so this minimal "trance" you are referring to i have to hear.

It better not be from Kompakt.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Yes, what?

uh basically what I mean is that trance tends to take elements of different genres and use them indiscriminately. ie, acid lines in psy, "electrohouse" basslines that are starting to appear in many popular tracks, etc.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Well obviously its generally a subgenre, however its certainly a significantly different development worth mentioning with its own style and stuff. Maybe goa isn't significantly different, but it's a fair bit different from mid-late 90s trance, and a step further psy is no more like post 2001 trance then it is like house. Psy is a lot different from mainstream trance. May as well say disco is exactly the same as house.

We don't disagree. When I play house music for my mom she says "this is disco." Just depends on how closely you pay attention & how familiar you are.

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Originally posted by elFreak so this minimal "trance" you are referring to i have to hear. It better not be from Kompakt.

Not a fan of kompakt?

I will hit you up with a list of names & some mixes to check out soon. Promise. You might call it melodic techno or something. Who knows.