Like the economy in general, it's most likely a combo of factors rather than one major factor. You may have played a part in your demise. Keyword:may.

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Originally posted by diggerz by the yard life is hard, but by the inch life's a cinch

nice

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Originally posted by Krypton

Krypton, you're getting trolled. You know that, right?

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Krypton, you're getting trolled. You know that, right?

My brain is stuck in the PDD, you'll have to excuse me...

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Originally posted by ******** Stop picking on the marxist.. I'll explain why marxism works where capitalism fails First off.. all "systems" ultimately fail becuase they restrict freedom. However in a material world that has proposed physical limitations we are left with either killing ourselves and hoping it removes the obstical or living with it and trying to make a functioning reality based on whatever environment we are forced to live in. In regard to free market capitalism - is good because it lets people control resources that are given to them - or they have obtained through either militant domination of land, theft, gifting, or in some cases creation from other resources previously held or from immaterial substance. Where capitalism fails is that it does not force a moral or ethical frame work on people thus greed and selfishness is as unbounded as the ability to accumulate, which creates compeitition and personal dominion. While compeitition is not always bad, it can work to fragment society and cause opposition extremes. Personal dominion is very much counter the concept of social equality and meekness. Societies which have greater inequalities tend to have more social strife because singling out good guys and bad guys is made easier. Of course status and society isn't wholely based upon wealth but also a whole host of other characteristics - even wealth itself is subjective from culture to culture. Marxism and its incentives are not much different - actually marxism is a form of free market capitalism, except that it doesn't utilize monetary exchange at base. In more communistic and collectivist units, collectively own, much like stockholders in a corporation but hold based upon their involvement or citizenship, not based upon a monetary input. Thus people need to fullfill certain roles - to be eligible for benifit rather than just having an economic input -eg putting money in rather than taking part in the production process. So monetary incentive allows people to freely invest in areas of the economy they would like to support, while direct investment has people associate with the ways they would like to spend their time. The social incentive is covered on a basis of upper management - where the rationalization for the ability for that production point being able to continue production is based upon their control of the means of production including resources, or their ability to trade for resources to continue production - and resources to maintain their needs and interest in continuance of the role. Any full person will always have the same mechanism for determaning their desire to take up a particular occupation, based on conflict theory. They will either have a direct economic incentive or they will have a social incentive. In mind of a DEI they will have things provided directly to them for their service. For a SI they will derive a social benifit, eg, their family members and loved ones and friends all benifit from their service, so they too in mind of what they value benifits. People who are socially minded should be ok with working to help society, because they are part of it, eg. volunteerism. Likewise, if other people hold the same values, then people are working for one another. Money is a way of managing value, but with oversight capacities.. by the government to regulate how much money there is in circulation, or for people to regulate its actual value by setting the price of their goods - which is made more stable by megastructures and monopolistic trade consortiums - major markets to track supply and demand. Money really is a waste structure but it is useful in regulating trade. Honestly you may think people work because they need to survive, either people go back to agricultural pratice or hunter gatherer activities, they work, or they die, OR they are supported by the state through the various streams of institutionalization that exist. The fact is people work because they are indoctrinated into their role as a worker, not because they need to work, none of us do. We just need to face reality and the result. Physical reality is not necisarily "the whole of reality" people are indoctrinated to beleive that, but noone can disprove it, they can only say it is a collective fact that the majority of people have no insight into what happens when the biological human dies. This does not mean reality ends, frankly that is an illogical premise, as much as reality itself is. However we know things exist because we have conscienceness. There are no absolute rules to our conscienceness but we have a frame work we can choose to work within, based upon now common empirical mechanisms largely based on modern schools of thought eg. science, religion, psychology, etc.. People are indoctrinated to beleive that specific roles in society will give them a status they will like more, even if this is not assured, people likely try to position themselves to the best overall status and activity they can based on rewards mechanisms, or in some cases the removal of penalizations (negative reinforcement).. or less penalizations. Bear in mind people who do not view the penalizations or rewards the same way as the system invisions them, end up falling outside the society's drives. So it is not 100% culturally universal, as we have the ability to make our own values, and culture, unless you see a univeral. However it is more so god is the universal, and our bodies each differ and our memories each differ so the enviornmental variables are adapted over the universal. However still the point is many of us share common backgrounds culturally (it is a largely global culture developed over thousands of years of intermingling - we have far more in common than dissimilar on almost all major life folkways - rather it is the form that the tools used to partake in the life activities that differs not actually the activity or reason for the activity itself) so our values are common. You can look to things like universal unconsciousness or ancestoral spirits, or genetic disposition to brain chemistry and cells etc.. just more environmental variables to the point in space time mind you. There is more too it though everyone who exists can sense more than just spacetime. We have feelings, so ultimately our highest point of self identification of who and what we are is what we feel either that or we are just executed and observing it. The feeling is the abstraction of what the moment really means. Everything is a peice of feeling behind the sensory identification. None the less this does tie back to economic systems. We are responsible for the whole of the world, and we need to learn to cooperate, unless we don't value human life, I think we should, who here doesn't beleive human life should be valued? Money is not needed, it allows freer trade capacities with more capacity for consumption and offloading of goods. That is it stimulates the economy by capacitatiing transfer of goods, and making easier the value of trades. Above all this though there should be a "what needs to be made" list. That is how much food do we need to produce to feed everyone. etc... The benifit of state economies is that quotas can be set, which reduces waste, and insures people are provided for, on a moral and humanistic level rather than solely based upon the direct incentive. Capitalism removes the social incetive, people the easiest way to gain resources is to either dominate, or remove competition. Capitalism if based on personal accumulation is inately antisocial and evil. While collectivism is innately good and selfless. This is not to say all capitalists are evil or all collectives are good. But fundamentally systematically this is the case. People will farm wheat because people need to eat. And providing food to the hungry is morally good. That is why people farm. That is how my reality works... It isn't warm fuzzy it is the right thing. What benifit is a bunch of crp no one can use? ---- The key is knowing what your DEI and SI are in your activites.. but ultimately the goal in life is to do things because it is what you like doing, not based on the outcome of doing it. Mindfully. ps I'll be taking names for cult membership at the end of the thread,anyone interested feel open to PM me.

too long did not cum.

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Originally posted by ******** Stop picking on the marxist.. I'll explain why marxism works where capitalism fails First off.. all "systems" ultimately fail becuase they restrict freedom. However in a material world that has proposed physical limitations we are left with either killing ourselves and hoping it removes the obstical or living with it and trying to make a functioning reality based on whatever environment we are forced to live in. In regard to free market capitalism - is good because it lets people control resources that are given to them - or they have obtained through either militant domination of land, theft, gifting, or in some cases creation from other resources previously held or from immaterial substance. Where capitalism fails is that it does not force a moral or ethical frame work on people thus greed and selfishness is as unbounded as the ability to accumulate, which creates compeitition and personal dominion. While compeitition is not always bad, it can work to fragment society and cause opposition extremes. Personal dominion is very much counter the concept of social equality and meekness. Societies which have greater inequalities tend to have more social strife because singling out good guys and bad guys is made easier. Of course status and society isn't wholely based upon wealth but also a whole host of other characteristics - even wealth itself is subjective from culture to culture. Marxism and its incentives are not much different - actually marxism is a form of free market capitalism, except that it doesn't utilize monetary exchange at base. In more communistic and collectivist units, collectively own, much like stockholders in a corporation but hold based upon their involvement or citizenship, not based upon a monetary input. Thus people need to fullfill certain roles - to be eligible for benifit rather than just having an economic input -eg putting money in rather than taking part in the production process. So monetary incentive allows people to freely invest in areas of the economy they would like to support, while direct investment has people associate with the ways they would like to spend their time. The social incentive is covered on a basis of upper management - where the rationalization for the ability for that production point being able to continue production is based upon their control of the means of production including resources, or their ability to trade for resources to continue production - and resources to maintain their needs and interest in continuance of the role. Any full person will always have the same mechanism for determaning their desire to take up a particular occupation, based on conflict theory. They will either have a direct economic incentive or they will have a social incentive. In mind of a DEI they will have things provided directly to them for their service. For a SI they will derive a social benifit, eg, their family members and loved ones and friends all benifit from their service, so they too in mind of what they value benifits. People who are socially minded should be ok with working to help society, because they are part of it, eg. volunteerism. Likewise, if other people hold the same values, then people are working for one another. Money is a way of managing value, but with oversight capacities.. by the government to regulate how much money there is in circulation, or for people to regulate its actual value by setting the price of their goods - which is made more stable by megastructures and monopolistic trade consortiums - major markets to track supply and demand. Money really is a waste structure but it is useful in regulating trade. Honestly you may think people work because they need to survive, either people go back to agricultural pratice or hunter gatherer activities, they work, or they die, OR they are supported by the state through the various streams of institutionalization that exist. The fact is people work because they are indoctrinated into their role as a worker, not because they need to work, none of us do. We just need to face reality and the result. Physical reality is not necisarily "the whole of reality" people are indoctrinated to beleive that, but noone can disprove it, they can only say it is a collective fact that the majority of people have no insight into what happens when the biological human dies. This does not mean reality ends, frankly that is an illogical premise, as much as reality itself is. However we know things exist because we have conscienceness. There are no absolute rules to our conscienceness but we have a frame work we can choose to work within, based upon now common empirical mechanisms largely based on modern schools of thought eg. science, religion, psychology, etc.. People are indoctrinated to beleive that specific roles in society will give them a status they will like more, even if this is not assured, people likely try to position themselves to the best overall status and activity they can based on rewards mechanisms, or in some cases the removal of penalizations (negative reinforcement).. or less penalizations. Bear in mind people who do not view the penalizations or rewards the same way as the system invisions them, end up falling outside the society's drives. So it is not 100% culturally universal, as we have the ability to make our own values, and culture, unless you see a univeral. However it is more so god is the universal, and our bodies each differ and our memories each differ so the enviornmental variables are adapted over the universal. However still the point is many of us share common backgrounds culturally (it is a largely global culture developed over thousands of years of intermingling - we have far more in common than dissimilar on almost all major life folkways - rather it is the form that the tools used to partake in the life activities that differs not actually the activity or reason for the activity itself) so our values are common. You can look to things like universal unconsciousness or ancestoral spirits, or genetic disposition to brain chemistry and cells etc.. just more environmental variables to the point in space time mind you. There is more too it though everyone who exists can sense more than just spacetime. We have feelings, so ultimately our highest point of self identification of who and what we are is what we feel either that or we are just executed and observing it. The feeling is the abstraction of what the moment really means. Everything is a peice of feeling behind the sensory identification. None the less this does tie back to economic systems. We are responsible for the whole of the world, and we need to learn to cooperate, unless we don't value human life, I think we should, who here doesn't beleive human life should be valued? Money is not needed, it allows freer trade capacities with more capacity for consumption and offloading of goods. That is it stimulates the economy by capacitatiing transfer of goods, and making easier the value of trades. Above all this though there should be a "what needs to be made" list. That is how much food do we need to produce to feed everyone. etc... The benifit of state economies is that quotas can be set, which reduces waste, and insures people are provided for, on a moral and humanistic level rather than solely based upon the direct incentive. Capitalism removes the social incetive, people the easiest way to gain resources is to either dominate, or remove competition. Capitalism if based on personal accumulation is inately antisocial and evil. While collectivism is innately good and selfless. This is not to say all capitalists are evil or all collectives are good. But fundamentally systematically this is the case. People will farm wheat because people need to eat. And providing food to the hungry is morally good. That is why people farm. That is how my reality works... It isn't warm fuzzy it is the right thing. What benifit is a bunch of crp no one can use? ---- The key is knowing what your DEI and SI are in your activites.. but ultimately the goal in life is to do things because it is what you like doing, not based on the outcome of doing it. Mindfully. ps I'll be taking names for cult membership at the end of the thread,anyone interested feel open to PM me.

COR version plz...

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Originally posted by Krypton COR version plz...

bring slavery back and hang christmas lights in your room.

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Originally posted by elFreak bring slavery back and hang christmas lights in your room.

second part...check

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also: make sure you have empty booze bottles.

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I found el freak!

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike It was probably down to your atrocious grammar.

People who point out mistakes in quick internet chat/forum posts have nothing better to do. I mean what are you thinking "I know people are talking about something online. Think im gonna say something rude". You're an idiot! My grammar is dictated by the enviroment in which I am speaking. A chat forum does not call for perfect grammer.

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