one of my best friends from middle school and some of high school grew up with a gay family. she was actually artificially inseminated. she is a lesbian now and really fucked up in the head. she has a shitload of emotional problems and she struggled a lot with hiding the fact that her mom was a lesbian. she told everyone (including me) that it was her mom and her "aunt" and i believed it because they had separate rooms.

a lot of things about her personality became clear when she told me the truth after we graduated high school. i mean it explained a lot when i looked back at her behavior when she was younger and i realized she must have always been terrified of people finding out and it made me feel bad for her.

however, i think a lot has happened since i was in high school and i'm pretty sure it's totally fine to be gay in high school or even middle school these days, isn't it? i remember talking to this high school girl who was a hostess with me at a restaurant i used to work at and i'd get an earful every time we'd have the same shift. just stuff about her high school drama and she had a lot of gay friends and i asked her if it was accepted by everyone and she was like, "yea why". lol i was like, "wow times have changed".

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by nchs09 You are a afraid the kids will turn out gay? Who cares...

Would you?





And this is not the only issue i raise but ok

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Originally posted by PETRAN Would you?

Nop...

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On OOKA-OOKA ME NACHOS ME PRESS KEYS ON COMPUTER GOOD

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Originally posted by nchs09 Nop...

Hypothetically speaking i guess

I have a son and a daughter. They're both in middle school but I know already that my son is a little fruitcake. I don't care

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Originally posted by Sunsnail I have a son and a daughter. They're both in middle school but I know already that my son is a little fruitcake. I don't care

... is he single?


just kidding. seriously though, if that IS true, then that's awesome that you have the right attitude. much respect for you!

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Originally posted by josh rising ... is he single? just kidding. seriously though, if that IS true, then that's awesome that you have the right attitude. much respect for you!

he's just joshing you josh. sory

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Originally posted by josh rising ... is he single? just kidding. seriously though, if that IS true, then that's awesome that you have the right attitude. much respect for you!

thank you!

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Originally posted by PETRAN All i say is that this child would probably be enormously bullied and harashed at school and the argument that goes like "everyone gets teased in school you can't help it" is as stupid as hell. This child would not going to be simply teased, this child would probably get labeled as the "son/daughter of the fags", a social situation which vastly deviates from the norms. This can lead to some severe social exclusion and this is a situation which can be avoided. The child was not born with some disability, it was brought in that situation.

Why don't you share with us how to avoid putting the child through social or emotional distress? My point was not in bullying but in all of the individual traits that each and every person has to deal with - the sexual orientation of their adoptive parents has little bearing on whether or not they will experience this, but if bullying in school is your only worry, then why wouldn't they be teased for being orphans in the first place? I am not claiming that these kids would somehow be magically accepted by society, I am merely arguing that their situation in an orphanage or being passed around from foster parent to foster parent is FAR more detrimental than having to deal with your adoptive parents just happening to be gay.

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And what would the reactions of this specific child be when he/she begins to understand the situation? What is he going to think, how is he going to feel when he understands that "normal" parents are male-female couples and not homosexual ones. How is he/she going to feel when he/she understands that he/she is adopted by some kind of "behavioural outlaws".

How people deal with their situation and reconcile with their upbringing is not only something everyone has to deal with - it is what makes us who we are.

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And what is the influence of the homosexual parents on the child's sexual orientation? Homosexuality is considered to have a strong genetic component but what is the actual influence of the environment? I have seen some studies whcih support the "parent-sexual-orientation-model" hypothesis. Doesn't this raise further ethical questions?

How is this for Ethical questions: why does it matter whether they turn out gay or not? Unless you are positing that there is justification behind the stigma against homosexuality, in which case I think you'd better focus on your own ethics for now because they're backwards as fuck.

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Are there any longitudinal studies about all these very important aspects? If there are, i think that they should be taken into account before blindly accepting such laws simply on the basis of what is "rightful".

Heterosexual parents produce homosexual offspring all of the time - in fact, the odds are in that line of thought's favour - perhaps you are proposing reasearch conducted upon the wrong sexuality...

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Society is not comprised by high-level sophisticates, but by people, who are in most of the times incapable of overriding their instincts, false beliefs and stereotypes. Even the actions of educated people could deviate from their thoughts.Within the context of this society, such upbringings may (and i say here "may" not "are") have a higher probability to fail (in comparison to the upbringings guided by heterosexual parents, which again always have a chance to end bad but maybe a lower chance IMO). Unfortunately we don't live in some sort of utopia were "equality" actually occurs. Far from that.

Perhaps you don't see Utopia, but if you think that individual people are "failures" merely because of their parents, then I don't think you see much of anything at all.

And you're fucking right I am emotional about this - if you've ever known somebody who was orphaned and heard their experiences with a system which, for what can only be conventional or religion reasons, discriminates against homosexual couples at nobody's expense but the child's, you might be able to understand not only why this is an important topic but why people's even disjointed hesitations are contributing to it being even more of a problem as well as perpetuating illogical stigmas in a system so strongly rooted in arbitrary prejudice.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Children go through enormous social and emotional pressures no matter how many parents they have. There is no way to stop that and, as a society, it should not be our place to try so - that is the parents job, to protect and to provide for children, as well as impart onto them sensible values for survival. To deny children the home of a loving and stable couple is wrong. Plain and simple. To disallow someone from contributing positive charity or to deny people's personal happiness merely due to illogical hang-ups on sexuality is wrong. People who think that gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt merely due to the fact that they're not normal truly do not deserve an opinion in the matter.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail I have a son and a daughter. They're both in middle school but I know already that my son is a little fruitcake. I don't care

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ im a failure with females...i will be the real 40 year old virgin i guarentee you