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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex What part of "many tracks can and do deviate quite a lot from the prototypical styles" were you completely blind to? I was giving an idea of the first thing that pops into my mind for each style. If the first thing that pops into your mind when you think "techno" has no rhythm at all, then you're only listening to a very small subset of what is called techno. If you first think of something with not even a single melodic element when you think of trance, then I applaud you, but you must not listen to the greater body of trance music. If I had tried to be all-inclusive, I could have not provided any definition whatsoever, besides "techno is techno and trance is trance."

Plus one.

An all-inclusive description of each genre in all its vicissitudes would fill several pages and be completely unhelpful. That's why I gave a brief history of the origins of each genre and then told the OP to listen to some labelled tracks. Frankly, the best way to get a grasp of what constitutes a genre is to listen to lots of examples. Listening is more instructive than reading.

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I think to say that trance is more melodic based and techno tends to be more drums and percussion based is a fair statement. Yes, there are exceptions, cross-overs and whatnot but in general this would give someone a good idea of the difference between the two.

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And techno is often more based in short loops, while trance is often more about long ass melodies (ironically, since originally many trance tracks would generate the "trance" feeling through repetitive short loops).

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex What part of "many tracks can and do deviate quite a lot from the prototypical styles" were you completely blind to? I was giving an idea of the first thing that pops into my mind for each style. If the first thing that pops into your mind when you think "techno" has no rhythm at all, then you're only listening to a very small subset of what is called techno. If you first think of something with not even a single melodic element when you think of trance, then I applaud you, but you must not listen to the greater body of trance music. If I had tried to be all-inclusive, I could have not provided any definition whatsoever, besides "techno is techno and trance is trance."

fair enough, we just have a difference of pedagogy here

i think it's important to look at the origins and emotional content rather than to subscribe to and reinforce formal generic stereotypes.


i mean do we really want to indoctrinate another poor soul into the cult of the genre?

So let's have your answer and let's have mine, and let's assume that the truth lies somewhere in between.

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Originally posted by TranceArmstrong Speaking of Ishkur and Italo, does anyone know where I can listen to MC Brain - Loving You Forever? It's the second song under 'Italo'. I've listened to that little sample on the Guide about 100 times and I need to find it. All of those Italo songs he has are amazing but that one is the best imo. Ishkur, if you still post here, you need to upload that shit to youtube right now. edit: Sweet Connection - Heart to Heart is amazing also

Voila, already is at Youtube: MC BRIAN - Loving You Forever ©1989

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Voila, already is at Youtube: MC BRIAN - Loving You Forever ©1989

THANK YOU

oops, I spelled it 'mc brain' every time

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Originally posted by sljiva I'm not saying you just made it up, I just say it's stupid and shouldn't be used ever again.

This music in Holland got extremly popular in the mid 90's, mainly because it was played at the big clubs like The iT in Amsterdam. When telling someone that you loved Club music it was clear that you meant tracks like below. With Techno people always thought of German Techno and not e.g. :Mason - Exceeder

George Morel - Let’s Groove

Silvio Ecomo - Uprising (speed garage mix)

Silvio Ecomo - Uprising [Olav's Funkatronic Remix]


I personally find it more difficult to tell the difference between House and Techno, then Techno and Trance.

House, Techno and lateron also Trance were combined in all iT albums which IMO shows how close to eachother these tracks can be.

For who likes to listen some samples (not many can be found at Youtube):

http://www.discotheek.it/it-cd/the-7th-album

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Originally posted by nefardec fair enough, we just have a difference of pedagogy here i think it's important to look at the origins and emotional content rather than to subscribe to and reinforce formal generic stereotypes. i mean do we really want to indoctrinate another poor soul into the cult of the genre? So let's have your answer and let's have mine, and let's assume that the truth lies somewhere in between.

That's something I can agree to. I understand the importance of knowing the broader range of a style's scope, but I think if you give someone too much input without telling him what he's listening for, it can be confusing. It certainly was for me.

And yes, origins are also important, but I figured System J had already covered those.

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Originally posted by Armitage Ok, here's another stupid question. What's the difference between Goa and Psy? Never really listened to either so I can't tell which is which.

Also, I've been meaning to give a somewhat proper answer to this.

Goa is Psytrance, but Psytrance is not necessarily Goa. That's the most important part.

All Psytrance is mostly characterized by having many interweaving elements that often feature a great deal of filter cut-off modulation, flangers, phasers, glitch effects, and many other elements not generally covered by classical music theory. The goal is to evoke a trippy mood.

The distinction lies almost entirely in modality. Goa refers more often than not to tracks that employ Phrygian modes or even more "exotic" scales, typically to evoke a... Middle Eastern/Indian feel. It sounds like a colonialist description, but given Goa's origins (Israel/Palestine and Goa, India), it's very apt.

If the scales aren't exotic, it'll generally be classified as some other form of Psytrance. Be warned, though, some music that sounds like Goa is not, and some that doesn't is. Ultimately, the difference is trivial, as everyone that listens to Goa listens to other Psy, and will eventually mature to the point where they call it all Psytrance without fail.

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