I don't want to turn this thread into another vengeance debate but have you listened to the solid proof in the other thread? Have you heard the abrupt reverb tail cutoffs? Have you seen the sample meta-tags that say things like VIP Zone.com etc? Have you heard the high-passed kick drums in the loops folders etc etc?
I bought a few vengeance cds at once based on reccomendations. After listening i was dissapointed and felt cheated that i was buying hits and loops from other peoples music. I contacted time & space (distributer) regarding a refund and pointed them to the vengeance thread on this forum. They replied back offering me a refund. 1 week later all the vengeance cds were removed from there site after investigation.